Is there hope for Meateater?

[Newtosavage]

Well who exactly do you mean when you say "we" have had 250 years to do all the talking?

You are a troll.

The fact that you are on here defending CRT is nothing short of insanity, do you have blue hair and a bunch of facial piercings and a BLM bumper sticker on your Subaru also?

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No, I'm not a troll. I stated my opinion and got (predictably) attacked by those who cannot disagree without being disagreeable. The fact that you have to build me into some kind of poster child liberal is a perfect example of that. I stand with Steve on this one and I feel that's pretty good company to be in. If you disagree with CRT, just simply say why without attacking someone and accusing them of this or that. It's pretty easy really.

 

[Newtosavage]

You are absolutely right. Quick scan of all of his recent posts in other threads shows the same.

Either selling something or bombing something.

Didn’t see a single positive hunting or fishing post.

You're not looking very hard now are you.

I stated my opinion about Steve (and other's) position on CRT. That seems to be more than some here could handle. Some guys just can't lay off what they believe to be an easy target, especially when they are surrounded by like-minded folks in a safe space like this.

I'm still waiting on an a response to post #131.

Things like telling the whole story about the Tulsa race massacre - swept under the rug for 100 years and only now are all the facts coming to light. And that really bothers some people. Telling the whole truth about the Tulsa massacre is an example of CRT.

America is in a great big therapy session following the murder of George Floyd. Some people in the therapy session want to deny we have a problem. Others want to deny the facts that led to the problem. Others want to accuse people of being the problem. And others want to talk about it so we can heal and move forward. That's how I see it. Feel free to disagree if you can do it without accusing or attacking. Otherwise just keep scrollin'

 

[Newtosavage]

Of course your TDS brings you back to Trump.

Huh. You were able to figure out who I was talking about. Imagine that.

 

[Newtosavage]

Let's get this back on topic. Personally I'm a big fan of Rinella and I know a lot of folks who are. His show is the only hunting show my wife has ever sat down and watched with me. That says a lot about his ability to bring new people to the table. The man is skilled and smart and interesting. I have no idea why anyone would have a problem with that to be honest.

Even the OP stated he was hopeful about Meateater and that all that mattered to him were a person's views on conservation.

Clay could be a screaming wokester, im not sure but his conservation views are spot on. That’s all that matters to me.

I’m hopeful.

 

[Dos Perros]

No one here has a problem with Steve being skilled or smart or interesting. Where did you get that idea?

 

[Newtosavage]

No one here has a problem with Steve being skilled or smart or interesting. Where did you get that idea?

From all the criticism directed toward him and the reaction(s) to the idea that he might be promoting CRT.

 

[540-Virginian]

Meateater is the fisrt hunting show that didnt focus solely on trophy kills on fenced reserves (at least that im aware of). This is the best hunting show ever created in my opinion.

Its just a show, and Steve helped bridge the gap as others have said. He’s a writer, that is why there are stories. Maybe you should read more of his stuff instead of watching tv or listening to podcasts would be my suggestion. You learn more about him in his books as they are where you can get more into depth about your views, ideas, etc.

god forbid someone is an independent with both republican and democratic viewpoints…

 

[Newtosavage]

Meateater is the fisrt hunting show that didnt focus solely on trophy kills on fenced reserves (at least that im aware of). This is the best hunting show ever created in my opinion.

Its just a show, and Steve helped bridge the gap as others have said. He’s a writer, that is why there are stories. Maybe you should read more of his stuff instead of watching tv or listening to podcasts would be my suggestion. You learn more about him in his books as they are where you can get more into depth about your views, ideas, etc.

god forbid someone is an independent with both republican and democratic viewpoints…

God forbid indeed. Well said.

Steve's program always reminds me of early hunting shows/films from guys like Fred Bear and Jim Doughrety and others of their time - more interested in telling a great story about the outdoors and conservation and the art of hunting than they were about the kill.

It took a lot of courage for him to go that route and not many people had the drive, skill and smarts to pull it off in today's commercial hunting show market. Newberg is a close second IMO. Imagine making a whole show out of the process of hunting public land (the whole process, not just the hunt) and not taking an animal on camera. You gotta be pretty damn good to pull that off these days.

 

[Dos Perros]

From all the criticism directed toward him and the reaction(s) to the idea that he might be promoting CRT.

One can be praised for one thing and criticized for a different thing.

For example, one could deduce you're a moron (criticism), but damn you're tenacious (praise).

 

[Newtosavage]

One can be praised for one thing and criticized for a different thing.

For example, one could deduce you're a moron (criticism), but damn you're tenacious (praise).

Again with the name calling.

I don't think it's a stretch to deduce that some here are simply attacking the messenger (even though he's smarter and more well traveled than they are) because they don't like the message.

 

[fwafwow]

[snip]

Things like telling the whole story about the Tulsa race massacre - swept under the rug for 100 years and only now are all the facts coming to light. And that really bothers some people. Telling the whole truth about the Tulsa massacre is an example of CRT.

That's only a partial response to my question in post #131, which I believe was relatively restrained. I have no problem with teaching history in a way that tells what actually happened, whether it was in Tulsa, or otherwise. But I don't think that example makes CRT "the whole truth" when at least part of it (apparently) stands on the proposition that I'm racist, and my kids are racist, based upon the color of my and their skin. But maybe I'm just not as well-traveled or as smart and therefore uninformed on the broader whole truths only conveyed by CRT? And do my questions put me in "the 99.9%"?

 

[Newtosavage]

That's only a partial response to my question in post #131, which I believe was relatively restrained. I have no problem with teaching history in a way that tells what actually happened, whether it was in Tulsa, or otherwise. But I don't think that example makes CRT "the whole truth" when at least part of it (apparently) stands on the proposition that I'm racist, and my kids are racist, based upon the color of my and their skin. But maybe I'm just not as well-traveled or as smart and therefore uninformed on the broader whole truths only conveyed by CRT? And do my questions put me in "the 99.9%"?

See, I don't take it that way at all. I know some people react that way to it, I guess because it's hard to accept that people of your race behaved that way to people of another race? I don't know.

If you think CRT stands on the proposition that you and your kids are racist, then I'm not sure where you got that idea.

 

[rodney482]

If that is what you got from listening to that last episode (Hunting In Chains), then I believe that says more about you than it does Meateater.
The episode was about historic hunting in the southern United States; if it makes you uncomfortable that race was part of the topic, then I think you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself some questions about what it is you are really mad at here.

I enjoyed the episode but also sick and tired hearing about race.

 

[Newtosavage]

I do believe that people who have never been a victim of discrimination will have to work a little bit to understand those who have. Education is just one step.

 

[Newtosavage]

I enjoyed the episode but also sick and tired hearing about race.

It's where we are as a nation right now. We can keep sweeping it under the rug and our kids and grandkids will be having these same conversations when they are our age, or we can be the mature adults our kids and grandkids need us to be and deal with it now. Our choice.

 

[rodney482]

It's where we are as a nation right now. We can keep sweeping it under the rug and our kids and grandkids will be having these same conversations when they are our age, or we can be the mature adults our kids and grandkids need us to be and deal with it now. Our choice.

Whats to accomplish and how do we get there?

 

[ODB]

See, I don't take it that way at all. I know some people react that way to it, I guess because it's hard to accept that people of your race behaved that way to people of another race? I don't know.

If you think CRT stands on the proposition that you and your kids are racist, then I'm not sure where you got that idea.

CRT assumes racism is systemic, is so embedded in the culture that the culture itself is not aware of it - this implicates everyone, you included. If this idea is new to you you haven’t really been paying attention.

it’s funny you (above) infer you are smarter than everyone else here but have yet to offer any salient advice.

tell is how we “deal with it” today, give some examples.

 

[Dos Perros]

As a minority, I absolve all of you white devils for the crimes of your ancestors against my people. We're good.

 

[fwafwow]

See, I don't take it that way at all. I know some people react that way to it, I guess because it's hard to accept that people of your race behaved that way to people of another race? I don't know.

If you think CRT stands on the proposition that you and your kids are racist, then I'm not sure where you got that idea.

I'm not sure what "it" you are referencing. I'm not smart enough to know whether you are responding to any of my points or referring to CRT in general. If I'm misinformed on what CRT is beyond reporting historic events, then I'm open to hearing what it actually is.

 

[Newtosavage]

CRT assumes racism is systemic, is so embedded in the culture that the culture itself is not aware of it - this implicates everyone, you included. If this idea is new to you you haven’t really been paying attention.

it’s funny you (above) infer you are smarter than everyone else here but have yet to offer any salient advice.

tell is how we “deal with it” today, give some examples.

Oh, I've been paying attention. Again, you're looking at it a bit differently than I do.

Racism often is systemic and the effects are felt for generations. There's a reason that when you look at the % of millionaires and billionaires in the US, a disproportionately low number are people of color and especially black. When blacks weren't allowed to own property or when their businesses were targeted, they didn't have the ability to create wealth to then pass along to their children. I don't think that's a difficult concept to grasp.

it’s funny you (above) infer you are smarter than everyone else here but have yet to offer any salient advice.

Again with the attacks...

I don't claim to be smarter than anyone else here. Quit making things personal. Smarts and what a person chooses to examine and how they examine it are completely different things.