Is there hope for Meateater?

[Newtosavage]

As a minority, I absolve all of you white devils for the crimes of your ancestors against my people. We're good.

If only you could speak for everyone who has faced discrimination.

 

[Dos Perros]

If only you could speak for everyone who has faced discrimination.

People think they speak for me, including you. As we both know, they/you don't.

 

[cuerro viejo]

I do believe that people who have never been a victim of discrimination will have to work a little bit to understand those who have. Education is just one step.

Every race is discriminated in some form or fashion. It happens every day by law. It’s by design, Thats the entire point of CRT is to justify it.

Your statement is just a projection about personal responsibility, an excuse for lack of.

Racism can’t be extinguished only made irrelevant, through individual personal success. Racism is just another individual projection, unfortunately it’s now been coined to be an excuse.

As of 2018 Nigerian-Americans were on pace to become the most successful immigrants. 61% over age of 25 hold graduate degrees compared to 9% of US born.

If you take an income index, India-America’s are first, Asian “communities” are second and third.

All of these ethics groups value family, education, and personal responsibility. They don’t project for an excuse, they hold their kids to a higher level of personal responsibility.

 

[gelton]

It's where we are as a nation right now. We can keep sweeping it under the rug and our kids and grandkids will be having these same conversations when they are our age, or we can be the mature adults our kids and grandkids need us to be and deal with it now. Our choice.

Our nation had been healing the racial divide from the 60's through 2011 when occupy wall street started flaring up...the last thing that the powers that be want is a unified nation pointing out that its the governement and their corporate cronies (not capatilism) running game on us.

It was exactly during this time, when we elected a black leader twice, that race was brought into the conversation again...Occupy Wall Street started in September of 2011.



Another observation is that CRT always acts like its your neighbors problem or a states problem, when the most hardcore racists policies always started at or were supported by the Federal Government. Just ask those who were experimented on by what would be todays FDA during the Tuskegee Experiments.

Or ask why Margeret Sanger the founder of planned parenthood said - "Birth control itself, often denounced as a violation of natural law, is nothing more or less than the facilitation of the process of weeding out the unfit, of preventing the birth of defectives or of those who will become defectives"

And -

"The lower down in the scale of human development we go the less sexual control we find. It is said that the aboriginal Australian, the lowest known species of the human family, just a step higher than the chimpanzee in brain development, has so little sexual control that police authority alone prevents him from obtaining sexual satisfaction on the streets."

And -

Exterminating warefare is also waged against the savage members of the human race wherever they oppose the establishment of conditions necessary for the development of the more highly organized types. Of course, where improvement by instruction and subsequent cooperation is possible this extreme of annihilation need not be practiced, but unless it can be shown that there is room enough on earth for both savage and civilized, the savage must go

And

Birth Control does not mean contraception indiscriminately practised. It means the release and cultivation of the better elements in our society, and the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extinction, of defective stocks--those human weeds which threaten the blooming of the finest flowers of American civilization.

Or why Ruth Bader Ginsberg said in 2009 - "Frankly I had thought that at that time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don't want to have too many of."

You see, eliminating blacks from the gene pool was actually a very liberal idea, and it still is....

Why doesn't CRT teach that? Because the narrative is purpousely driven by the Media to keep people fighting amongst one another instead of joining together and fighting against those in Washington DC and their corporate masters whose only purpose is to divide and conquer.

 

[Newtosavage]

People think they speak for me, including you. As we both know, they/you don't.

Nah, I don't presume to speak for you because I don't know your specific situation. But I'm gonna take a guess that you're not black and your grandparents weren't denied the right to own property. Am I right about that?

 

[conley417]

There are only two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.

 

[Newtosavage]

Every race is discriminated in some form or fashion. It happens every day by law. It’s by design, Thats the entire point of CRT is to justify it.

Your statement is just a projection about personal responsibility, an excuse for lack of.

Racism can’t be extinguished only made irrelevant, through individual personal success. Racism is just another individual projection, unfortunately it’s now been coined to be an excuse.

As of 2018 Nigerian-Americans were on pace to become the most successful immigrants. 61% over age of 25 hold graduate degrees compared to 9% of US born.

If you take an income index, India-America’s are first, Asian “communities” are second.

All three of these ethics groups value family, education, and personal responsibility. They don’t project for an excuse, they hold their kids to a higher level of personal responsibility.

Sounds like you are telling a whole group of 6th and 7th generation Americans to just "get over it." Do I have that right?

 

[Maverick1]

How does any of this make one a better hunter?

 

[Newtosavage]

It was exactly during this time, when we elected a black leader twice, that race was brought into the conversation again...Occupy Wall Street started in September of 2011.

Why do you think we are where we are? A (half) black man was elected president of this country for the first time in it's history, and the backlash against that was swift and strong resulting in the election of DJT.

It doesn't take a complicated theory to see what happened and what is happening.

 

[Newtosavage]

How does any of this make one a better hunter?

I really have no idea. LOL

 

[gelton]

Why do you think we are where we are? A (half) black man was elected president of this country for the first time in it's history, and the backlash against that was swift and strong resulting in the election of DJT.

It doesn't take a complicated theory to see what happened and what is happening.

You mean this guy? The guy who did more for prision reform aimed at blacks in our lifetimes?

 

[fwafwow]

Why doesn't CRT teach that? Because the narrative is purpousely driven by the Media to keep people fighting amongst one another instead of joining together and fighting against those in Washington DC and their corporate masters whose only purpose is to divide and conquer.

Must be the wrong whole truth.

Anyway, this has gone way off track and it's probably due in some respects to us keyboard warriors (myself included) typing stuff in ways that we would say differently if sitting around a campfire with a beer. I try to tell my kids to use the phone to speak to people instead of texting or Snapchatting, as much is lost in translation otherwise. I will try to follow my own advice going forward.

@Newtosavage I've seen plenty of your posts in the past and I did not remember any of them as to have been one-sided, political, argumentative or not related to hunting and fishing (as was stated above), and I don't hold this difference in views as indicative that we would not otherwise get along - fwiw.

 

[OldGrayJB]

Can someone please tell me what part of the (or any) ME podcast was espousing CRT?

The author/guest, at one point suggested that wildlife conservation laws were racist. He said some people supported them because conservation laws would put blacks "back where they belong." "Between the plow handles." He gave no evidence with his statements. It might be true but when presented without evidence, it sounded like CT.

 

[Newtosavage]

Must be the wrong whole truth.

Anyway, this has gone way off track and it's probably due in some respects to us keyboard warriors (myself included) typing stuff in ways that we would say differently if sitting around a campfire with a beer. I try to tell my kids to use the phone to speak to people instead of texting or Snapchatting, as much is lost in translation otherwise. I will try to follow my own advice going forward.

@Newtosavage I've seen plenty of your posts in the past and I did not remember any of them as to have been one-sided, political, argumentative or not related to hunting and fishing (as was stated above), and I don't hold this difference in views as indicative that we would not otherwise get along - fwiw.

Thanks. Agreed. It's a lot easier to discuss things like this in person where we tend to give one another the benefit of the doubt.

 

[ARK_Ginger]

Sounds like you are telling a whole group of 6th and 7th generation Americans to just "get over it." Do I have that right?

If we're being honest, some of us would say yes. It's a hell of a lot better than saying "here's you reparations" or "always remember how whitey did your family wrong" because neither of those options actually bring healing. And then every non anglo-saxon will and their piece of the pie for being discriminated against before their families assimilated.

 

[Newtosavage]

The author/guest, at one point suggested that wildlife conservation laws were racist. He said some people supported them because conservation laws would put blacks "back where they belong." "Between the plow handles." He gave no evidence with his statements. It might be true but when presented without evidence, it sounded like CT.

There were a lot of laws that were racist. That's just a fact. There were also a lot of laws that may not appear racist on the surface, but they are intended to maintain the status quo and don't allow people who have been discriminated against to achieve the same footing/status/generational wealth.

Looking at the long-term effects of laws and policies on people of various colors, genders and backgrounds is what CRT is.

We could talk just as easily about discrimination toward women and why someone like my mother, who earned two masters degrees, was continually denied jobs she was more qualified for than the men who got them. Same thing.

 

[Newtosavage]

If we're being honest, some of us would say yes. It's a hell of a lot better than saying "here's you reparations" or "always remember how whitey did your family wrong" because neither of those options actually bring healing. And then every non anglo-saxon will and their piece of the pie for being discriminated against before their families assimilated.

I don't exactly follow the 2nd part of your comment.

I'm not sure what the answer is to healing this nation, but ignoring the sins of the past isn't going to get us there.

Our nation is a broken family. How would a therapist approach that problem? I mean, there's always gonna be that one uncle that refuses to come to therapy and denies there's a problem. Others will sit there but not listen. Others will want to heal the family and still others will want to place blame.

Same process. That's where we are as a nation right now. I pray we come out stronger but the getting there is gonna hurt a bit.

Over the years, I've been required to take a fair bit of training on dealing with victims (assault, rape, etc) and one thing I had to learn is that you have to listen to what it is they want and not just assume you know what they need. I used to just think I knew what they needed and often times that just made matters worse.

 

[cuerro viejo]

Sounds like you are telling a whole group of 6th and 7th generation Americans to just "get over it." Do I have that right?

lol, like I said you are nothing more then a projection coining racism to be an excuse.. your response highlights excuses in lack of personal responsibility not pathways to a better life.

Your posts in this entire thread plays a victim not a solution based on successes of other ethnic groups which are the leaders in education and median income in the US. How can these ethnic groups be so well off if racism was so prevalent........?

again CRT is nothing more then justification for racists laws that we have set forth, it coins racism as an excuse. The more excuses you give more to impede success in the family unit, education and personal growth.

 

[Newtosavage]

lol, like I said you are nothing more then a projection coining racism to be an excuse.. your response highlights excuses in lack of personal responsibility not pathways to a better life.

Your posts in this entire thread plays a victim not a solution based on successes of other ethnic groups which are the leaders in education and median income in the US. How can these ethnic groups be so well off if racism was so prevalent........?

again CRT is nothing more then justification for racists laws that we have set forth, it coins racism as an excuse. The more excuses you give more to impede success in the family unit, education and personal growth.

Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Dos Perros]

Nah, I don't presume to speak for you because I don't know your specific situation. But I'm gonna take a guess that you're not black and your grandparents weren't denied the right to own property. Am I right about that?

I am not black.

My ancestors' property was stolen, women and children enslaved. But I also recognize my ancestors won in battle (stole) property from others, murdered, raped, and enslaved others. It was common in that time.

Despite the color of my ancestors' skin, my family was able to assimilate. I don't think it was easy. My mother was beaten by her parents/grandparents for speaking her first language. It became forbidden in their home, by their own choice. By my estimate each generation has been more prosperous than the former, and I can attest that my wife and I are able to provide things for my kids that my parents never could have. America is great like that.

My wife's family, despite being a bunch of Trump wetos, has always embraced and loved and supported me, despite my many faults.

I suppose now you'll attempt to diminish the accomplishments of my family, or otherwise nullify my personal perspective, because as a woke white dude you know better than me (lol).