Is there hope for Meateater?

[BBob]

Why do you think we are where we are? A (half) black man was elected president of this country for the first time in it's history, and the backlash against that was swift and strong resulting in the election of DJT.

It doesn't take a complicated theory to see what happened and what is happening.

So the whole reason Obama was rejected was because he was black and had nothing to do with his policies or his thinly veiled socialist/marxist ideologies? No doubt there were some that hated the idea of a black as president but I highly doubt that was the reason as a whole and by a wide margin. CRT is crap and should be rejected for reasons already stated. Hopefully we'll get over it and flush it but like most disagreements it'll bring a bit more awareness and we'll keep moving forward as we've been doing for a long time regardless of what some of our leaders and the media would have us believe.

 

[cuerro viejo]

There were a lot of laws that were racist. That's just a fact. There were also a lot of laws that may not appear racist on the surface, but they are intended to maintain the status quo and don't allow people who have been discriminated against to achieve the same footing/status/generational wealth.

Looking at the long-term effects of laws and policies on people of various colors, genders and backgrounds is what CRT is.

We could talk just as easily about discrimination toward women and why someone like my mother, who earned two masters degrees, was continually denied jobs she was more qualified for than the men who got them. Same thing.

Education doesn’t always equal qualification. You can have a PHD in Technology but doesn’t mean you can automate a system with python or develop in Java.

From a leadership stand point if your vision for the role isn’t the same as those hiring, then it’s not a product of discrimination. It’s a difference in methodology.

But again you need a coined phrase to project with.

 

[Newtosavage]

Education doesn’t always equal qualification. You can have a PHD in Technology but doesn’t mean you can automate a system with python or develop in Java.

From a leadership stand point if your vision for the role isn’t the same as those hiring, then it’s not a product of discrimination. It’s a difference in methodology.

But again you need a coined phrase to project with.

What your doing sounds a lot like victim blaming and deflection, which unfortunately is a very common response.

I'm a hiring official. You don't need to educate me on the selection process but thanks anyway.

How many adult women in the 70's and 80's had two masters degrees and were being hired over men. Answer is, not many. You and I both know what the culture was then. The part I left out was she was a single mom of five kids and as soon as the selecting official learned that, the interview was over. I lost track of the number of times we were told to hide in the van in the parking lot so that nobody at the business would know she had kids. Even a 10 year old could figure out what was going on.

 

[Newtosavage]

So the whole reason Obama was rejected was because he was black and had nothing to do with his policies or his thinly veiled socialist/marxist ideologies? No doubt there were some that hated the idea of a black as president but I highly doubt that was the reason as a whole and by a wide margin. CRT is crap and should be rejected for reasons already stated. Hopefully we'll get over it and flush it but like most disagreements it'll bring a bit more awareness and we'll keep moving forward as we've been doing for a long time regardless of what some of our leaders and the media would have us believe.

If being a 2-term president is being "rejected," I know a guy in Florida who wishes he was rejected right now.

But I do agree with you in some sense - that many of his policies were portrayed as socialist so that the right could solidify their base against him. And maybe they were in that direction. You could say LBJ and FDR were too, but do we want to go back to the times before they were president? Really?

CRT is not crap. It's unfortunate that someone had to "coin the term" and give the far right something to target. There are other ways to make progress that keep the far left or far right from being triggered. It's unfortunate how some people take a good, valid idea and mischaracterize it for their own political purposes.

 

[Newtosavage]

I am not black.

My ancestors' property was stolen, women and children enslaved. But I also recognize my ancestors won in battle (stole) property from others, murdered, raped, and enslaved others. It was common in that time.

Despite the color of my ancestors' skin, my family was able to assimilate. I don't think it was easy. My mother was beaten by her parents/grandparents for speaking her first language. It became forbidden in their home, by their own choice. By my estimate each generation has been more prosperous than the former, and I can attest that my wife and I are able to provide things for my kids that my parents never could have. America is great like that.

My wife's family, despite being a bunch of Trump wetos, has always embraced and loved and supported me, despite my many faults.

I suppose now you'll attempt to diminish the accomplishments of my family, or otherwise nullify my personal perspective, because as a woke white dude you know better than me (lol).

Why the name calling?

I appreciate your story. It's one story out of a 300+ million but it's your story.

If you were female, do you think you would feel the same way?

 

[gelton]

What your doing sounds a lot like victim blaming and deflection, which unfortunately is a very common response.

If this keeps up I can see a day when new members of Rokslide will have to add their pronouns before joining.

 

[BBob]

I only used the term "rejected" as a term you might apply to the side that rejected him, not rejected as a whole. It might have been better to refer to the "backlash" he received as you stated.

Why would the guy in Florida wish he were rejected right now?

I'll stand by my statement that CRT is crap. Not much good will come of it other than the debate will spark discussion and make people think more than they would have otherwise. This thread is a perfect example of that.

 

[Newtosavage]

If this keeps up I can see a day when new members of Rokslide will have to add their pronouns before joining.

well we both agree that that whole pronoun thing is a bit ridiculous.

Guys, I'm out on this. I'm not gonna try and debate with 4-5-6 of you at the same time. This thread was about Rinella. I'm a fan. Probably always will be. He was a ground breaker that -unlike most TV hunters- painted us all in a good light and IMO just what hunting needed at the time. Most ground breakers draw fire and I'm sure he knows that. But he's welcome at my camp any day.

Ya'll be good.

 

[cuerro viejo]

What your doing sounds a lot like victim blaming and deflection, which unfortunately is a very common response.

I'm a hiring official. You don't need to educate me on the selection process but thanks anyway.

How many adult women in the 70's and 80's had two masters degrees and were being hired over men. Answer is, not many. You and I both know what the culture was then. The part I left out was she was a single mom of five kids and as soon as the selecting official learned that, the interview was over. I lost track of the number of times we were told to hide in the van in the parking lot so that nobody at the business would know she had kids. Even a 10 year old could figure out what was going on.

50 years ago is a completely different social and home structure.

Women today have a much higher bachelors degree rate and a much much larger increased presence of higher paying STEM degrees.

we can go round and round what you continue to coin as Discrimination/Racism/etc I will rebuttal as an excuse.

I too was brought up by a single mom that worked two jobs so that my education wasn’t a projection.

obviously we share distinctly different views on personal accountability

The victim mentality does nothing but demotivate and cause complacency, resulting in education/income disparity to those peers raised differently. Fact

 

[cuerro viejo]

well we both agree that that whole pronoun thing is a bit ridiculous.

Guys, I'm out on this. I'm not gonna try and debate with 4-5-6 of you at the same time. This thread was about Rinella. I'm a fan. Probably always will be. He was a ground breaker that -unlike most TV hunters- painted us all in a good light and IMO just what hunting needed at the time. Most ground breakers draw fire and I'm sure he knows that. But he's welcome at my camp any day.

Ya'll be good.

He was a ground breaker, and has done more good for our passion and heritage than any of his peers in the business. Unfortunately as business dictates, changes happen.

I do think his books will leave an impactful legacy with readers for years to come.

 

[gelton]

 

[PNW bow hunter]

America is in a great big therapy session following the murder of George Floyd. Some people in the therapy session want to deny we have a problem. Others want to deny the facts that led to the problem. Others want to accuse people of being the problem. And others want to talk about it so we can heal and move forward. That's how I see it. Feel free to disagree if you can do it without accusing or attacking. Otherwise just keep scrollin'

Im 41

When I was growing up, I never heard about race until probably 2nd grade. My teacher was black and had us watch the movie Mississippi Burning. It was sickening and horrifying to watch how people WERE treated. She taught all of us students we are all EQUAL, the color of ones skin does not dictate who they are. Looking back I don’t know if that was right or wrong for a 2nd grade teacher to show us that movie, but I think she had a positive message.


It seems our country has been fighting racism since it’s beginning.

Sometime in the last ten years or so, the message has moved from we are all equal. People are bombarded with the message everywhere how bad of a country this is. If you are white you are racist and should be ashamex

I don’t know how anyone can say this is a racist country that only whites can get ahead. You would literally have to ignore everything you see around you on a daily basis to believe this.

How is it a therapy session to have the entire population be bombarded with divisive messaging, and training constantly?

All across the country right now there are people in CRT training. They have to be taught to be ashamed of who they are, just because of how they were born. They are told they can be less racist if they join the movement. Silence is violence.

My wife’s parents came to America as refugees with nothing. They had 2 children when they arrived, my wife’s older sister and brother. My wife was born in California about a year after they came here. Her parents both ended up with jobs and own homes. My wife and here siblings have all done well also. She also has lots of aunts, uncles, and cousins that came here as well.

The story of my wife’s family has probably been repeated millions of times in this country.

How could it be possible that all these people of color came to this country with nothing, and then became a successful in such a horrible, systemically racist, oppressive country.

My wife and I live in a good neighborhood. We have both worked hard our whole lives, and tried to be pretty smart with our money. We are a mixed race couple. The neighbors one to the right are a black man and white woman. My neighbor’s the other direction I believe are from Pakistan. The next neighbor up from them is a white woman and an Asian man.

Last weekend I went to a wedding. It was a white man and a black man getting married. It was a large gathering of people of several races, and people from probably 80 years old down to babies.

Father’s Day weekend I did a family trip to the Oregon coast. We did a nice 5-6 mile hike each day, and then spent the evening in Seaside walking around and having dinner. Every hike, restaurant, or place we went was full of people of different colors and races. Lots of the couples were mixed race couples just like my family and lots of my neighbors.

If everything we get told everyday is true about how terrible this country is , how is any of what I have seen my whole life , and on a daily basis be happening. Both things can’t be true.

 

[Dos Perros]

Why the name calling?

I appreciate your story. It's one story out of a 300+ million but it's your story.

If you were female, do you think you would feel the same way?

"Trump wetos?" I say that as a term of endearment. It is with a smile and love. Just like "white devils."

To be clear, I don't really have a problem with anybody, you included. I and God are responsible for pretty much every circumstance of my life. Some ideas I have a problem with, and I try to respectfully confront them when I have the time and energy, and sometimes I fail doing that.

 

[Alaskanopolis]

You're not looking very hard now are you.

I stated my opinion about Steve (and other's) position on CRT. That seems to be more than some here could handle. Some guys just can't lay off what they believe to be an easy target, especially when they are surrounded by like-minded folks in a safe space like this.



Things like telling the whole story about the Tulsa race massacre - swept under the rug for 100 years and only now are all the facts coming to light. And that really bothers some people. Telling the whole truth about the Tulsa massacre is an example of CRT.

America is in a great big therapy session following the murder of George Floyd. Some people in the therapy session want to deny we have a problem. Others want to deny the facts that led to the problem. Others want to accuse people of being the problem. And others want to talk about it so we can heal and move forward. That's how I see it. Feel free to disagree if you can do it without accusing or attacking. Otherwise just keep scrollin'

You might want to dig a little deeper into the Tulsa riots. Ironic that you're talking about things coming to light, when what's coming to light isn't the truth. Even if what happened in that elevator was innocent, which seems really improbably, based on witness testimony and the fact she has scratches and torn clothes, showing up to a court hearing guns a blazing isn't the way to go about things. Typically when that happens, it's considered picking a fight, of which one side one and the other side lost. The reason it hasn't been talked about for 100 years--because it was settled. A new fictional context created through the lens of CRT has turned into something it's not and people who don't do actual research buy it. Maybe you shouldn't get your (revisionist) history from racist Commies and TV shows like Watchmen.

 

[Dos Perros]

If you were female, do you think you would feel the same way?

I'm not sure, I've never had a vagina before. I'm not sure how it would impact how I feel about things.

Have you ever had a vagina? Assuming you haven't, what position are you in as a white dude to purport how I as a brown female may have felt about something?

 

[Alaskanopolis]

Nah, I don't presume to speak for you because I don't know your specific situation. But I'm gonna take a guess that you're not black and your grandparents weren't denied the right to own property. Am I right about that?

Note the past tense in your statement. So, is this all about revenge for past wrongs? The only systemic racism left in this country is affirmative action and it discriminates against Asians and Whites, more than anyone.

 

[Alaskanopolis]

If being a 2-term president is being "rejected," I know a guy in Florida who wishes he was rejected right now.

But I do agree with you in some sense - that many of his policies were portrayed as socialist so that the right could solidify their base against him. And maybe they were in that direction. You could say LBJ and FDR were too, but do we want to go back to the times before they were president? Really?

CRT is not crap. It's unfortunate that someone had to "coin the term" and give the far right something to target. There are other ways to make progress that keep the far left or far right from being triggered. It's unfortunate how some people take a good, valid idea and mischaracterize it for their own political purposes.

The French Commies that created "Critical Theory" coined the term, not "far-right" anyone. Like all things stemming form Materialism, it's fantasy BS, with no real footing in reality.

 

[bsnedeker]

 

[260madman]

Why do you think we are where we are? A (half) black man was elected president of this country for the first time in it's history, and the backlash against that was swift and strong resulting in the election of DJT.

It doesn't take a complicated theory to see what happened and what is happening.

That’s not how we came to have Trump as President. The (your words) half black President spouted off and insulted Trump at the White House Correspondents dinner. Trump said hold my beer Barry and I’ll show you what I can do.

Race had nothing to do with it because someone was elected twice.

According to some going to school, working hard and a strong family is for suckers when the self loathing white liberals can provide for you instead. Well, they won’t but you “need” them to tell you how to vote to keep you in the same situation you’re in already. Don’t try and better yourself to prove LBJ wrong, keep being a victim and prove him correct. And this is why we have CRT. Easier to blame everybody else than it is to take responsibility for your life and choices.

 

[Okhotnik]

None. CRT is the new umbrella term for anything that makes people's insides feel sad or threatened.

Please check your white privilige sir.

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