Wyoming 90/10 task force!

[BuzzH]

Comical. First they are not “your” licenses. They belong to the state. I guess we can consider any state asset our own now though. Sound entitled? The tags given out in my state are not “my or our” tags. They are the states.

I don’t see many non residents asking for more. Would you turn a blind eye and say nothing if the commission decided they were going to go 70/30 instead? After charging you for a system that outlined odds to draw that are now worse.

You sound like the guy who told me I couldn’t keep any fish on his lake because he owns a parcel on it.

Commission has no authority to change tag allocations, has to be done via legislation, specifically the Wyoming Legislature. Same with license fee increases.

The wildlife is an asset held in trust for the RESIDENTS of the state. The license is in fact "mine" once its issued to me, according to the rules that Residents of Wyoming decide is appropriate. Once I kill an animal legally with that State issued permit, that wildlife is in fact now MINE.

So you can play semantics all you want, doesn't change facts.

I wish any legislator good luck that wants to give more tags to NR allocations...they'll need it.

What WY did with passing 90-10 for the big 5 is long over-due and appropriate. Probably going to be a time its appropriate to carry that forward on pronghorn, deer, and elk. Not sure we're there yet, but it will happen.

There's a cost to pumping DIY public land hunting, scarcity increases in all states, meaning Residents are going to start assuring they can hunt at least the state they live in. Nothing wrong with that either, in fact, its appropriate and smart to look after Resident hunters first.

 

[BuzzH]

The lowly non residents pay the vast majority of the funding of WY game and fish:

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No, NR's do not pay the vast majority of the budget, read the chart. Its 77% of license revenue, not total budget.

Oh, and 90-10 for the big-5 is a done deal...Gordon is going to sign it real soon, passed the house, senate (30-0), and conference committee.

Time to move on.

 

[BuzzH]

Well if we do simple math, WY residents equal 600k vs the nations total of 330 million, so WY residents are a blip on the radar in federal taxes, unless all 600k are in the top 1%. So maybe WY residents fund .0018% of federal lands.

Now if all federal lands were sold WY would see significant property tax rev but 95% of WY residents would have nowhere to hunt.

Right, all 340 million of us pay the same for federal land management. Being's all federal land management is a fraction of 1 percent of the federal budget, you personally pay no more than I do for federal land management.

Plus land ownership has nothing to do with State ownership of wildlife. Mutually exclusive.

 

[Lawnboi]

We knew that was coming

 

[Sccritterkiller]

Commission has no authority to change tag allocations, has to be done via legislation, specifically the Wyoming Legislature. Same with license fee increases.

The wildlife is an asset held in trust for the RESIDENTS of the state. The license is in fact "mine" once its issued to me, according to the rules that Residents of Wyoming decide is appropriate. Once I kill an animal legally with that State issued permit, that wildlife is in fact now MINE.

So you can play semantics all you want, doesn't change facts.

I wish any legislator good luck that wants to give more tags to NR allocations...they'll need it.

What WY did with passing 90-10 for the big 5 is long over-due and appropriate. Probably going to be a time its appropriate to carry that forward on pronghorn, deer, and elk. Not sure we're there yet, but it will happen.

There's a cost to pumping DIY public land hunting, scarcity increases in all states, meaning Residents are going to start assuring they can hunt at least the state they live in. Nothing wrong with that either, in fact, its appropriate and smart to look after Resident hunters first.

Buzz,
This would be a great place to ask the NRs for WYBHA donations to fight corner the crossing case.

 

[BuzzH]

We knew that was coming

Yeah, the facts always matter.

 

[BuzzH]

Buzz,
This would be a great place to ask the NRs for WYBHA donations to fight corner the crossing case.

Two separate issue's, not surprising you can't differentiate between the two.

Good thing is, plenty of folks will pack your water for you.

You're welcome, in advance.

 

[Russp17]

No, NR's do not pay the vast majority of the budget, read the chart. Its 77% of license revenue, not total budget.

Oh, and 90-10 for the big-5 is a done deal...Gordon is going to sign it real soon, passed the house, senate (30-0), and conference committee.

Time to move on.

Buzz NR still pay a huge chunk of the budget. See the attached brochure for 2020 total budget. Based on this NR tag sales is roughly 47% of the total budget... That's still the largest contributor to the Wyoming Game and Fish budget.

 

[Russp17]

Buzz NR still pay a huge chunk of the budget. See the attached brochure for 2020 total budget. Based on this NR tag sales is roughly 47% of the total budget... That's still the largest contributor to the Wyoming Game and Fish budget.

Sorry it was too large to insert so see image below.

 

[BuzzH]

Buzz NR still pay a huge chunk of the budget. See the attached brochure for 2020 total budget. Based on this NR tag sales is roughly 47% of the total budget... That's still the largest contributor to the Wyoming Game and Fish budget.

Correct, NR licenses account for 77% of the total license revenue, nobody argued that.

What isn't true, is that NR license sales make up a majority of the total GF budget.

When 90-10 passes for pronghorn, deer, and elk there will be need for more revenue somewhere. I say increase fishing license fee's across the board, at least double the NR fees on doe/fawn pronghorn and deer, do away with high demand type 6/7 cow/calf tags and make them full price type 4/5 tags, etc.

NR's are not going to hold Residents hostage over funding the GF when they decide they want 90% of the best tags in Wyoming.

 

[Lawnboi]

Yeah, the facts always matter.

 

[wytx]

Facts are facts.

 

[svivian]

This is from 2016. While I know this is older, should be somewhat relevant still considering tag allocations should not have changed drastically since then. I could not find anything that had a breakdown that was produced by the actual state of WY however...

https://wyoga.org/wp-content/uploads/pdf/studies/southwick-study/Wyoming-Big-Game-Hunting-Economics-Southwick-Associates-Final.pdf#:~:text=Big%20game%20hunting%20provides%20income%20to%20landowners%20as,85%25%20attributable%20to%20guided%20non-resident%20big%20game%20hunters.

 

[Sccritterkiller]

Two separate issue's, not surprising you can't differentiate between the two.

Good thing is, plenty of folks will pack your water for you.

You're welcome, in advance.

If I can't get a NR gen tag but once every 8 years due to reduced tag allocation your damn skippy somebody else is gonna have to carry my water...Finally something we can agree on!

If folks don't have any opportunity they aren't gonna support any issue/cause. Two separate issue's???? Come on Buzz we all know you're smarter than that.

 

[BuzzH]

If I can't get a NR gen tag but once every 8 years due to reduced tag allocation your damn skippy somebody else is gonna have to carry my water...Finally something we can agree on!

If folks don't have any opportunity they aren't gonna support any issue/cause. Two separate issue's???? Come on Buzz we all know you're smarter than that.

Right, because some people see the value in public lands for more than just to use them, and only care about them, as long as they can run a hook or bullet through another states wildlife.

I care about public land, all public land even in states I've never hunted and likely never will hunt in. I even place a very high value on public lands that don't allow hunting...wildlife refuges, national parks, etc. Just because I can't kill wildlife in them does not decrease my desire to keep them public into perpetuity. It also doesn't mean that I won't fight anyone that would work to divest those lands to private ownership either. It means more to me that these lands remain in public ownership for future generations, than what I can take from them personally, for myself, today.

If your care about public lands is so shallow that you quit caring because you can't kill something on it, or wait more years because of license demand or legislation decreasing nr opportunity, well you never gave a shit about public land to begin with. You never were an advocate for public lands and no number of nr hunting licenses will make you one.

You won't be missed.

 

[wapitibob]

Clearly people haven't learned much about nr hunting opportunity in WY.

 

[Ralphie]

It’s a wonder how almost all other states manage to fund their game and fish agency on 90-10. But there’s no way Wyoming can do it.

 

[dreamingbig]

Correct, NR licenses account for 77% of the total license revenue, nobody argued that.

What isn't true, is that NR license sales make up a majority of the total GF budget.

When 90-10 passes for pronghorn, deer, and elk there will be need for more revenue somewhere. I say increase fishing license fee's across the board, at least double the NR fees on doe/fawn pronghorn and deer, do away with high demand type 6/7 cow/calf tags and make them full price type 4/5 tags, etc.

NR's are not going to hold Residents hostage over funding the GF when they decide they want 90% of the best tags in Wyoming.

This is really all about greed. Wyoming residents clearly think they deserve more. And for wanting more they will have to pay more.

And it will make it harder for Wyoming residents to draw tags as nonresidents in other states.

Can you come to WA state next and help us limit our non resident tags to 10%? Maybe even make it illegal to hunt the wilderness without a guide or resident sponsor. It is getting dangerous with all our predators running around.


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[BuzzH]

This is really all about greed. Wyoming residents clearly think they deserve more. And for wanting more they will have to pay more.

And it will make it harder for Wyoming residents to draw tags as nonresidents in other states.

Can you come to WA state next and help us limit our non resident tags to 10%? Maybe even make it illegal to hunt the wilderness without a guide or resident sponsor. It is getting dangerous with all our predators running around.


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Well, now, see that's where I believe you're wrong. Wyoming Residents know they deserve 90% of the best tags in the State and why they're going to demand it.

I'm already limited to 0-10% of tags in MT, AZ, NM, NV, ID, ND, etc. etc. as a NR of those states.

I think a vast majority of Wyoming Residents, most of whom don't hunt out of state, could care less what other States do with their wildlife. What they care about is what happens with WY's wildlife.

Exactly why I don't care what WA state does with theirs...not my pig, not my farm.

Good luck to you.

 

[RyanT26]

There's a cost to pumping DIY public land hunting, scarcity increases in all states, meaning Residents are going to start assuring they can hunt at least the state they live in. Nothing wrong with that either, in fact, its appropriate and smart to look after Resident hunters first.

Or we could just stop pumping it up so much.

I really don’t care about applying for the big five. So this is more in reference to 90/10 for deer, elk, antelope.
Doesn’t end up being a bit of a wash by the time you factor in nonresident losing some limited entry tags but we will pick up general tags?