Wyoming 90/10 task force!

[3325]

I just hope wyoming residents can still feed their families on 7 elk, 9 deer, and 4 antelope. From what ive read, unless these nr tags are cut, we can expect wide spread famine amonst wyoming residents.

I may need all that. I’m prepping for TEOTWAWKI: The End Of The World As We Know It.

 

[Lukem]

Be interesting to see if the few years turns to 15+.

Yeah it could. 1400 in line ahead of me and if that ends up being 20 permits per year....

I'm sure I'm younger than most ahead of me on the list. It was about 2000 ahead of me not that many years ago. I wish I'd have kept each of the reports for all the years to analyze the dropout rates.

 

[3325]

Both. And I need all those hides too.

 

[Lukem]

Comical. First they are not “your” licenses. They belong to the state. I guess we can consider any state asset our own now though. Sound entitled? The tags given out in my state are not “my or our” tags. They are the states.

I don’t see many non residents asking for more. Would you turn a blind eye and say nothing if the commission decided they were going to go 70/30 instead? After charging you for a system that outlined odds to draw that are now worse.

You sound like the guy who told me I couldn’t keep any fish on his lake because he owns a parcel on it.

State game agencies manage the species of the state under the public trust doctrine and do so for the people of that state. It's this way across the nation and a foundation of the North American Model.

 

[Lawnboi]

State game agencies manage the species of the state under the public trust doctrine and do so for the people of that state. It's this way across the nation and a foundation of the North American Model.

That I understand

 

[HandgunHTR]

I have gotten to the point where I will just spend my money on going to Africa or Europe to hunt. It ends up costing a bit less in the long run, mainly due to the accommodations provided (the actual hunt and travel expenses are about the same $). Plus, I get to see different countries and cultures.
I really love elk meat, but it isn't the magnitude of difference between that and whitetail to make up for the extra $.

 

[Lawnboi]

I love how the argument shifts when someone brings up that NRs pay the lions share of funding for federal lands and resident hunters gain the majority of the benefit. Then it is suddenly, "thats not how it works".

The funny thing is that if I compared it to my own state I wouldn’t give a rip if they lost revenue. I don’t see wildlife as a resource we should be extorting. They have created a massive business out of a “publicly” held resource. Read as sarcasm…. It ain’t the peoples regardless of how many statutes you can site.

When I see someone with a large piece of pie, wanting to take from someone with a very small piece of it to get an even bigger piece, I call it like I see it. Also funny this is happening I a lot of states right now. It’s irritating and I can’t even keep up with my own. People in the right spots leveraging power is all it is. Hopefully those taking a bigger piece of pie remember what it’s like when they are on the other end.

I don’t even play the big 5 in Wyoming. But I can see where it’s going. Have fun making a plan to hunt in 5 years when they change the rules 3 times between now and then.

Don’t worry though, If you have the money or connections you will still be able to hunt whatever you want still.

 

[dreamingbig]

No non-resident cap in Washington State. Non-residents could draw 100% of our limited entry tags.

Of course the opportunity is horrible and you need to buy the license up front but you don’t get penalized on the odds. You can hunt the wilderness and you don’t get any better odds if you hire an outfitter.


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[sneaky]

Yeah..."you can hunt the wilderness". Even WA gets that right.

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[Sccritterkiller]

Robertson…

Spelling never was my best subject, good thing i make a living with my hands.....

 

[Lukem]

I love how the argument shifts when someone brings up that NRs pay the lions share of funding for federal lands and resident hunters gain the majority of the benefit. Then it is suddenly, "thats not how it works".

You're generally free to go hike and enjoy those federal public lands all you want, it's not the state stopping you from accessing them.

But when it comes to the wildlife, it's the state and the people of the state that have the say. Lands and wildlife are generally separate entities, unless their range or abundance merit federal involvement.

 

[Sccritterkiller]

I think they already took that into considerarion. Most people think they will still be fine funding wise. If a funding decline happens, it would probably be a long term thing that will be corrected anyhow. Also there is still going to plenty of good opportunities for a lot of species in wyo as a NR. Im still applying. I just like to poke ppl about it.


The fed land thing is interesting to bring. Not a terrible idea.

I am not sure, need to dig into the numbers a bit more, they took into account the big jump in P&R funds due to record gun and ammo sales in the last couple years... States have to match the Federal $$ to be able to receive the Federal P&R funds...

 

[wytx]

How do NR pay the lions share of federal lands, residents pay those taxes too don't they?
No worries on exercising my rights to hunt in Wyoming without a license, I'll just go buy one OTC for deer or elk.

 

[tdhanses]

How do NR pay the lions share of federal lands, residents pay those taxes too don't they?
No worries on exercising my rights to hunt in Wyoming without a license, I'll just go buy one OTC for deer or elk.

Well if we do simple math, WY residents equal 600k vs the nations total of 330 million, so WY residents are a blip on the radar in federal taxes, unless all 600k are in the top 1%. So maybe WY residents fund .0018% of federal lands.

Now if all federal lands were sold WY would see significant property tax rev but 95% of WY residents would have nowhere to hunt.

 

[Steve O]

How do NR pay the lions share of federal lands, residents pay those taxes too don't they?
No worries on exercising my rights to hunt in Wyoming without a license, I'll just go buy one OTC for deer or elk.

The lowly non residents pay the vast majority of the funding of WY game and fish:

 

[BuzzH]

Comical. First they are not “your” licenses. They belong to the state. I guess we can consider any state asset our own now though. Sound entitled? The tags given out in my state are not “my or our” tags. They are the states.

I don’t see many non residents asking for more. Would you turn a blind eye and say nothing if the commission decided they were going to go 70/30 instead? After charging you for a system that outlined odds to draw that are now worse.

You sound like the guy who told me I couldn’t keep any fish on his lake because he owns a parcel on it.

Commission has no authority to change tag allocations, has to be done via legislation, specifically the Wyoming Legislature. Same with license fee increases.

The wildlife is an asset held in trust for the RESIDENTS of the state. The license is in fact "mine" once its issued to me, according to the rules that Residents of Wyoming decide is appropriate. Once I kill an animal legally with that State issued permit, that wildlife is in fact now MINE.

So you can play semantics all you want, doesn't change facts.

I wish any legislator good luck that wants to give more tags to NR allocations...they'll need it.

What WY did with passing 90-10 for the big 5 is long over-due and appropriate. Probably going to be a time its appropriate to carry that forward on pronghorn, deer, and elk. Not sure we're there yet, but it will happen.

There's a cost to pumping DIY public land hunting, scarcity increases in all states, meaning Residents are going to start assuring they can hunt at least the state they live in. Nothing wrong with that either, in fact, its appropriate and smart to look after Resident hunters first.

 

[BuzzH]

The lowly non residents pay the vast majority of the funding of WY game and fish:

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No, NR's do not pay the vast majority of the budget, read the chart. Its 77% of license revenue, not total budget.

Oh, and 90-10 for the big-5 is a done deal...Gordon is going to sign it real soon, passed the house, senate (30-0), and conference committee.

Time to move on.

 

[BuzzH]

Well if we do simple math, WY residents equal 600k vs the nations total of 330 million, so WY residents are a blip on the radar in federal taxes, unless all 600k are in the top 1%. So maybe WY residents fund .0018% of federal lands.

Now if all federal lands were sold WY would see significant property tax rev but 95% of WY residents would have nowhere to hunt.

Right, all 340 million of us pay the same for federal land management. Being's all federal land management is a fraction of 1 percent of the federal budget, you personally pay no more than I do for federal land management.

Plus land ownership has nothing to do with State ownership of wildlife. Mutually exclusive.

 

[Lawnboi]

We knew that was coming

 

[Sccritterkiller]

Commission has no authority to change tag allocations, has to be done via legislation, specifically the Wyoming Legislature. Same with license fee increases.

The wildlife is an asset held in trust for the RESIDENTS of the state. The license is in fact "mine" once its issued to me, according to the rules that Residents of Wyoming decide is appropriate. Once I kill an animal legally with that State issued permit, that wildlife is in fact now MINE.

So you can play semantics all you want, doesn't change facts.

I wish any legislator good luck that wants to give more tags to NR allocations...they'll need it.

What WY did with passing 90-10 for the big 5 is long over-due and appropriate. Probably going to be a time its appropriate to carry that forward on pronghorn, deer, and elk. Not sure we're there yet, but it will happen.

There's a cost to pumping DIY public land hunting, scarcity increases in all states, meaning Residents are going to start assuring they can hunt at least the state they live in. Nothing wrong with that either, in fact, its appropriate and smart to look after Resident hunters first.

Buzz,
This would be a great place to ask the NRs for WYBHA donations to fight corner the crossing case.