Wyoming 90/10 task force!

[Lawnboi]

That's fine and I'm not trying to treat you like a kid. It's just that most people want to scream "it's not fair" and want to make changes that favor them (whatever side you land on). Not all people understand that there are specific reasons that NR are limited in some states but not nearly as much in others. But the truth is that all states give preference to their residents over NR (at a minimum in price), it's just at varying degrees. The degree to which a state protects it's residents is generally related to the impact that NR have or could on the resource. It's also cultural, some states are simply more protectionist than others. It's something that many eastern hunters don't understand. Not saying that you don't, but some of the comparisons and arguments in this thread lean that way.

Forgive me for stating the obvious here...

No worries. I see where your coming from.

 

[sneaky]

Hey man, I like subscribed and pushed the notification bell. Better send me a free guided OIAL tag with my hat.

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[Steve O]

Just to make sure you're clear...once in a lifetime on the big-5 including anyone that draws this year and is currently on the 5 year waiting period. 90-10 takes effect in 2023 draw.

I'm done with sheep, for example as I'm on the 5 year wait.

As of right now, nothing has changed preference point wise yet. IF that were to pass, the talk is to not implement for 5 years to give folks a chance to draw under preference.

I think conversion of preference to bonus points is going to be a hard sell.

I know the only reason you're asking is because of your point totals. If you were to draw, we'd never hear from you again.

1. Thanks for the information.

2. What would you like to hear from me about?

 

[Lawnboi]

We need more memes

 

[Bighorner]

Tdhanses, it is about trophy hunting. I agree. There is still a ton of opportunity in Wyoming. There are a ton of guys that come out elk hunting every year, they just aren't hunting bulls. It takes on a different tone when someone says you are threatening my bull hunt as opposed to my elk hunt.

We all have different issues we prioritize. The corner issue is an important one. 90/10 doesn't get me super fired up. Most of us have abysmal chances regardless of the change to law. I'm happy Buzz took a stand on the corner issue. If he stands on the other side of the line on other issues so be it. I dont need to agree with or follow anyone blindly. I will throw in when it fits my prospective, I will argue it when it doesn't. I think we are all largely on the same side of the bigger picture.

 

[Scottyboy]

Sounds like the commissioner tags I get in for are the solution <for some>?? I honestly don’t follow the semantics of western tags as I’ve come to realize my days of going west to hunt antelope/deer/elk are for the most part done (not entirely true, I know). The fact that I can I have a x/x chance of getting any tag I want seems like my best chance. I recently threw in for a handful of chances on a WY commissioner tag and I was supposedly given “early access” to said tags given the amount of donated/applied for previously. The hand written thank you I got in the mail was a nice gesture. I guess what I’m saying, there seems to be a way to hunt Wyoming without playing the PP game, although my luck my x/300? Will never happen, but still better odds than me getting in the points game this time of my life. I’m sure I’ll catch flak for funding these tags, but for me…the chance of drawing this tag makes sense for me.

 

[CamoPirate]

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[bayoublaster7527]

I hate the growing trend of decreasing NR big game opportunity across the West but it seems to be the predictable outcome. That being said I will still continue to apply and contribute my money and time through license sales and with various conservation organizations. We need to focus on making a bigger pie rather than carving out a bigger slice for ourselves.

 

[Gobbler36]

So did the 90/10 rule pass?

 

[wyosteve]

The 90/10 rule passed the Legislature and is awaiting the Governor's signature.

 

[LostArra]

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I’m sure at some point we’ll be asked to help sign petitions for Grizz hunting or to

I wouldn't worry about this.
No one is hunting grizz in Wyoming any time in the foreseeable future.
Signed grizzly hunt petitions are a waste of ink.

Maybe I'm wrong but history says I'm right.
The opposition to grizzly hunting is highly skilled in legal maneuvering.

 

[Lawnboi]

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I wouldn't worry about this.
No one is hunting grizz in Wyoming any time in the foreseeable future.
Signed grizzly hunt petitions are a waste of ink.

Maybe I'm wrong but history says I'm right.
The opposition to grizzly hunting is highly skilled in legal maneuvering.

Same could be said for wolves, and we are still fighting it in the Midwest.

 

[BuzzH]

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I wouldn't worry about this.
No one is hunting grizz in Wyoming any time in the foreseeable future.
Signed grizzly hunt petitions are a waste of ink.

Maybe I'm wrong but history says I'm right.
The opposition to grizzly hunting is highly skilled in legal maneuvering.

I heard the same thing about wolves in ID, MT, and WY.

I heard the same thing about Bison hunting in MT.

How did that work out?

Also, we could hunt grizzlies in Montana up to and including the Spring of 1993.

There will be seasons in MT and WY again...you heard it hear first.

 

[tdhanses]

I heard the same thing about wolves in ID, MT, and WY.

I heard the same thing about Bison hunting in MT.

How did that work out?

Also, we could hunt grizzlies in Montana up to and including the Spring of 1993.

There will be seasons in MT and WY again...you heard it hear first.

Possibly but it won’t be anytime soon.

 

[Rich M]

It’ll be interesting to see what hunting looks like in 25 years, I think we’ll see more opportunities possibly with far fewer participants, I do wonder what percentage of tags purchased are by baby boomers.

Less opportunities, less land to hunt, more population will be against hunting. That's what I see, looking back 40+ seasons, that's what i seen so far. Always changing.

 

[diamond10x]

question for buzz- is the 90/10 rule strictly going to be for big 5 and will it be each unit/region or just across the board?

 

[LostArra]

I heard the same thing about wolves in ID, MT, and WY.

I heard the same thing about Bison hunting in MT.

How did that work out?

Also, we could hunt grizzlies in Montana up to and including the Spring of 1993.

There will be seasons in MT and WY again...you heard it hear first.

I hope you're right but 1993 is not 2022.

 

[805Bowhunter]

question for buzz- is the 90/10 rule strictly going to be for big 5 and will it be each unit/region or just across the board?

As written it will only be for the big 5. I do not know about the second part of your question. I'm sure @BuzzH will clarify as that is a good question. Seems like it would be each unit but I could be assuming wrong.

 

[BuzzH]

As written it will only be for the big 5. I do not know about the second part of your question. I'm sure @BuzzH will clarify as that is a good question. Seems like it would be each unit but I could be assuming wrong.

Applies to statewide totals, so if there are 200 sheep tags, 20 will go to NR's spread across all the units. Some units will only offer a NR tag every once in a while, others will offer tags each year (those units with at least 10 available tags).

 

[tdhanses]

Applies to statewide totals, so if there are 200 sheep tags, 20 will go to NR's spread across all the units. Some units will only offer a NR tag every once in a while, others will offer tags each year (those units with at least 10 available tags).

As if this were not bad enough news, it could potentially get much, much worse for nonresident hunters in Wyoming. The WWTF, the Wyoming Wildlife Task Force set up by the Commission and the Governor, of which I know a few of the members personally, is apparently working out a potential compromise for a 90/10 allocation for deer, elk and antelope as well. This process is in its infancy and has a long, long way to go yet. At this point, from what I am hearing this compromise appears to include, transferable land-owner tags, and an up to 50% outfitter set aside for outfitted nonresident hunters. Needless to say, this change would be horrendous for the DIY nonresident hunter as the nonresident allotment would be cut in half, and then half of that would be set aside for guided hunters, all while further subtracting the nonresident landowner tags from this pool in addition.

Potentially under this possible system, the nonresident DIY hunter could see their odds of drawing an elk, deer and antelope tag in Wyoming cut by nearly 90%. For instance, the famed Region G deer tag, currently has a quota of 400 nonresident buck deer tags. Under the proposed system, that quota would automatically drop to 200 tags with the 90/10 law, then 100 of those remaining tags would be given to outfitters in the region and then at least half of those remaining 100 tags could be sold to nonresidents by landowners in the area taking the total DIY quota down to only 50 total tags or even less. With 2,150 total applicants (for the 2021 draw) for this hunt the amount of preference points needed to hunt here could skyrocket to over 40 points or more. This general region hunt could easily become a once-in-a-lifetime endeavor.

The 90/10 law for deer, elk and antelope still has a long way to go with some very large hurdles to be negotiated yet. If nothing, else, the financial repercussions of this change alone would be devastating for the Wyoming Game and Fish Department. Of the total $80 million budget, nonresident hunters and fisherman account for more than 60% of the revenue. This change could cut the department’s revenues by 30-40%. A cut of this magnitude would essentially be unsustainable. The residents will not bear this financial burden, we are confident in that, possibly leaving, yet again, the nonresident hunters to pick up the financial tab. We will keep you posted on the progress of this legislation as it progresses.

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