Most Reliable New 250/2500 Series Truck

Not the 2500 Chevy gas trucks. I have them as fleet vehicles. Every one of them has had to have the AC replaced before 30,000 miles. The entire system. Have one that’s been in the shop since February. Got it out last week and it ran for one whole day and it died in a job site.

Teach your drivers how to properly use the system. Windows UP, recirculate ON. Windows DOWN, recirculate OFF. This is the biggest killer of fleet truck a/c’s across ALL makes (except Toyota because no profit-driven corporation would intentionally buy a fleet of garbage).


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Ford moving on from the 6.2 and 6 speed hurt my feelings. Those things were absolutely indestructible and got fairly good mileage.

I have a friend getting close to 400k miles on his, and he works it to death. 38 foot gooseneck way overloaded with round bales, big tractors, cow trailers, leaves it idling all day, etc. Such a great drivetrain.

Same with the GM 6.0 and 6-speed tranny. Very nearly indestructible.

Except the fuel mileage.

Neither the GM 6.0, nor the ford 6.2 ever sniffed anywhere near “fairly good” fuel mileage.


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Ford, we miss treat a fleet of 6.2 trucks from 11-new and they all last 400k+ with little issues besides wear items and oil changes.

Currently own a 21 6.2 with 3.73 gears, put a small level on it with tremor rims and 35s. Getting 14.5 avg in northern WY with 70mph speed limit. I got 12 pulling a mini van on a car trailer, weight was around 7k total the other day on a 140mi trip. No issue keeping speed or getting up to speed. Tows my sxs on a 16ft car trailer like it isn’t there.


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Uhm…no.

The statement “from 11-new and they all last 400k+” tells me:
1 - You’re a relatively new employee with no actual knowledge of fleet data.
2 - The company you work for has a minuscule fleet and is teetering on the edge of solvency.

No stable company is going to run a fleet of light-duty trucks to that kind of mileage. Asset depreciation zero-sums LONG before those numbers.

Your statement of getting 12 mpg towing a vehicle on a trailer @ 70 mph with a Ford 6.2 is absolute hog-wash.

There’s not a Ford 6.2 in existence that will get nearly that mileage towing ANYTHING at 70 mph. MAYBE 9 mpg towing an empty car dolly. Maybe…


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Uhm…no.

The statement “from 11-new and they all last 400k+” tells me:
1 - You’re a relatively new employee with no actual knowledge of fleet data.
2 - The company you work for has a minuscule fleet and is teetering on the edge of solvency.

No stable company is going to run a fleet of light-duty trucks to that kind of mileage. Asset depreciation zero-sums LONG before those numbers.

Your statement of getting 12 mpg towing a vehicle on a trailer @ 70 mph with a Ford 6.2 is absolute hog-wash.

There’s not a Ford 6.2 in existence that will get nearly that mileage towing ANYTHING at 70 mph. MAYBE 9 mpg towing an empty car dolly. Maybe…


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lol what ever you say man I guess I can’t read odometers in my work vehicles at the 2nd biggest railroad in the US. And apparently I can’t use a calculator or do simple math. **** me this whole forum sucks sometimes


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Uhm…no.

The statement “from 11-new and they all last 400k+” tells me:
1 - You’re a relatively new employee with no actual knowledge of fleet data.
2 - The company you work for has a minuscule fleet and is teetering on the edge of solvency.

No stable company is going to run a fleet of light-duty trucks to that kind of mileage. Asset depreciation zero-sums LONG before those numbers.

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I worked for a company for almost 10 years, the owner never wanted to sale rigs. They had trucks that were still be used that were almost 15 years old, by the time I left the company, I was given a company work rig that by the time I left had almost 300k on it in 2 years. They still own it to this day.

Not all places sale or get rid of vehicles every 2 years or at a certain mileage point. But who knows, you probably own a billion dollar company and knows exactly how a fleet should be ran.
 
lol what ever you say man I guess I can’t read odometers in my work vehicles at the 2nd biggest railroad in the US. And apparently I can’t use a calculator or do simple math. **** me this whole forum sucks sometimes


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Don't worry about that guy. I read his post and just SMH.

Thank you for sharing your info with the OP.

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Howdy Folks,

Need some recommendations on which brand of truck you’d look for if purchasing a newer 250/2500 series truck. Currently have a Toyota Tundra and really value Toyotas reliability. Unfortunately it looks like Toyota will never produce a 3/4 ton truck so I need to look elsewhere. I really like the way the GMC Sierra 2500 AT4s and the F250 Tremors look but don’t have any real knowledge on their reliability. I’m very wary of reliability concerns as my first truck was a 2017 Chevy Colorado and it was an absolute giant piece of shit that left me stranded in the woods before I swapped over to a Tacoma.

Any opinions or data yall could share would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
Are you looking for new or used? New diesel the F250 is far superior to Ram and GM.

mentioned, gas is much more reliable than diesel these days.

Personally, unless you really need the pulling power of a diesel regularly, I would get a F250 7.3 gasser.
 
I’ve had a 2004.5 GMC 2500HD and now my. Current 2016 2500HD. Never had an issue with either truck. I’ll drive the 16 until it dies. I can’t see paying $100k for a truck now days. If my engine dies I’d either rebuild it or by a crate engine and replace it. I really like the Duramax Allison combination
 
I have a 18 Ram 2500 Cummins. 180k miles on it, haven’t had any engine or “big” issues but little things have plagued it, several have left me stranded at inopportune times.
AC compressor and motor went out, 3 starters, O2 sensors have gone out twice, EGR valve cracked, electric/computer issues with dash going out or losing power, and several other things I’m forgetting. All that stuff adds up to a lot of money, on top of general diesel maintenance. I’ll be looking to replace in the next two years and not sure what direction I’ll go, but probably not ram. Sounds like I should look at a 2500/3500 gasser.
 
Last October, I bought a brand new 2023 Tradesman 2500 Ram Crew Cab 4x4 with the 6.4 Hemi.

Haven’t towed anything heavy yet, just my utility trailer loaded with my Can Am Defender and it’s been decent on gas milage. But I knew going in gas mileage wasn’t the reason I bought it, so my expectations are grounded.

Been a great truck so far and being a Tradesman, it’s not loaded with every imaginable electronic creature comfort known to man. But that’s ok. Less things to break!
 
Neither the GM 6.0, nor the ford 6.2 ever sniffed anywhere near “fairly good” fuel mileage

My 6.0 and 4 speed was fuel hog. My 6.2 and 6 speed with 3.73's would get 17 mpg if I babied it. I could easily get 15. That's damn good for a 4x4 F250
 
Same with the GM 6.0 and 6-speed tranny. Very nearly indestructible.

Except the fuel mileage.

Neither the GM 6.0, nor the ford 6.2 ever sniffed anywhere near “fairly good” fuel mileage.


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I couldn't care less about mpg. When I have all my stuff hooked up reliability is all I care about.
 
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Uhm…no.

The statement “from 11-new and they all last 400k+” tells me:
1 - You’re a relatively new employee with no actual knowledge of fleet data.
2 - The company you work for has a minuscule fleet and is teetering on the edge of solvency.

No stable company is going to run a fleet of light-duty trucks to that kind of mileage. Asset depreciation zero-sums LONG before those numbers.

Your statement of getting 12 mpg towing a vehicle on a trailer @ 70 mph with a Ford 6.2 is absolute hog-wash.

There’s not a Ford 6.2 in existence that will get nearly that mileage towing ANYTHING at 70 mph. MAYBE 9 mpg towing an empty car dolly. Maybe…


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I get 8-9 tandem pulling. My stuff is pretty light but still.
 
Every single buddy of mine, and I mean EVERY SINGLE ONE, with a newer diesel truck has had that thing in the shop multiple times. All 3 brands, usually DEF related. Limp mode at elevation multiple times on a RAM, all types of codes thrown on a Duramax And Powerstroke...headache after headache

If I ever pull the trigger on a super duty truck it will be deleted the day I buy it.
 
I have a 21 at4 duramax with ~74k miles it has been a delightful ownership, the only problem has been the multi pro tailgate switch (replaced under warranty) and the the front end crumples very easily while hitting deer. Take it for what it's worth but my 33k mile average fuel economy is at 18.6, plowing snow- pulling trailers and daily driving. I'm not going to post my daily driver average mileage because it would most likely jinx myself.


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All of them will you leave you stranded/go into limp mode at the worst time. You will want a good warranty.

GM and Ford are pretty much the same anymore. Big difference is suspension (independent vs solid). I wouldn’t rate one more reliable than the other, they just have different minir problems.

Dodge drive train still sucks and will fall apart (transmission/ball joints/ujoints). Keep that in mind when comparing prices.

Unless you need the diesel for towing, a gasser would be more “reliable”.

My 2012 Cummins RFE68 with 235,000 on it disagrees with you.

I’m about to change my first set of ball joints.


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Take this however you will...they are all overpriced shitboxes anymore...buy the good warranty and plan on unloading it when it's up.
They look alot nicer inside, but they cut costs other places.
I've worked on them all for over 20yrs, but I don't see alot of them until they are out of warranty so cant give you much on "brand new"...but can tell you what I see 3-5yrs down the road.
Ford got their ball joints figured out on 3/4 and 1 ton trucks, the steering linkage still falls apart.
6.7l/6r140 was very solid combo diesel wise, though have seen some lifter/cam failures, usually on tuned or neglected trucks.
Most emmissions system problems are on trucks that sit alot, do short trips, extended idle times and don't get worked. The newer GM joint venture 10 spd trans is questionable. Issues with bushing in a clutch drum slipping and cutting off fluid flow...most being caught under warranty and have been redesigned but I don't recall what year that took place...still relatively unproven, but it is a big stout looking hunk of transmission.
Ford cut corners on bearings in rear axles, like Chinese and Korean bearings...I rebuild more ford differentials than all other brands combined. Many under 100k miles. I also replace more AC compressors on Ford trucks than anything else...and yes, the newer ones have been hard to get or backordered. 7.3l gas motor still unproven for longevity but has had some big issues, see if they get that sorted out and make them last. More issues with electrical connectors and corrosion on newer ford's than the others.
GM...lots of Chinese parts from them these days. go through alot of hvac actuators in particular, though not a deal breaker type of thing. They didn't skimp on the 3/4 and 1 ton trucks as much as the 1/2 ton. If someone gave me a 1/2ton GM I'd sell it to first person came along wanting it...1/2 gm quality went way down from '07 on.
The 6.0/6.2 in 3/4ton truck form with 6l90 I haven't seen near as many issues with lifters and transmission failures that have plagued the aluminum block 5.3/6.2l engines and 6l80 transmission. time will tell which path the 6.6l/10L90 follows.
New rumor is the new 6.2l aluminum block engines in suburbans and escalade are eating main bearings and breaking crankshaft, hoping those types of issues don't migrate to the 6.6L
Be leary of GM if you Do have warranty issues, things are still hitting backorder alot, especially big things like engines and transmissions. They are also one if the worst for discontinuing parts for vehicles over 7-8 years old.

RAM/Fiat/Chrysler/stellantis...what ever the hell you want to call them...they are confused. Things have not been good there for awhile. Quality has suffered. The 6.4l hasn't been great long term. If I remember correctly it's one of Jasper's biggest sellers for reman engines. See some transmission issues, mostly in the diesels. The cummins is not without its heartaches...cp4 disasters, grid heater studs getting sucked in and wiping out engines, vgt turbo failures.
RAm would be last on my list for alot of reasons. I've got a 2011 Ram 3500 diesel and it's the last Ram and newest diesel I'll ever own.

The very long of it short... If I were looking for a newer truck I'd be looking for a low miles 6.2l/6spd F-250...by far the most solid/long term reliable option I've seen for a 3/4ton truck. I'd pay a premium for one of those vs new anything these days...maybe I'm just getting old, grumpy and senile but the new stuff just does nothing for me. To much techy BS and not enough quality on the important stuff...and I just think they are all ugly right now especially for the prices... $80-100k for a pickup truck is just ridiculous. Spend half that for a good used one, then $10-15k on a decent run around car and use the truck when you need a truck and don't use it up just getting from A to B would be my suggestion, no truck is cheap to fix when it's broke or used up anymore.
Good luck on your search...oh...and if your looking used...especially if its white...make sure you check engine hours. Have seen few guys get burned unknowingly buying used fleet trucks under 100k miles but 2-300k worth of idle time on them, if your not well versed in what to watch for, pay for an inspection at reputable independent shop.
 
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