Is there hope for Meateater?

[Dos Perros]

My god, This entire post is proof that the left does not have a monopoly on snow flakes. If you don't like it just move along. No one is forcing you to consume the podcast. I for one appreciate hearing different view points even if some of them make me uncomfortable.

Alright Rokslide, from here on out, if you don't like something, keep it to yourself. No discussion or commentary is necessary. I don't care if it's Wyoming wilderness, non-resident tag allocations, wolf management policy, it's all off limits. Get in line and keep your mouth shut.

 

[Alaskanopolis]

My god, This entire post is proof that the left does not have a monopoly on snow flakes. If you don't like it just move along. No one is forcing you to consume the podcast. I for one appreciate hearing different view points even if some of them make me uncomfortable.

I guess talking about culture is being a snowflake. Go bury your head in the sand.

 

[bobinmi]

Alright Rokslide, from here on out, if you don't like something, keep it to yourself. No discussion or commentary is necessary. I don't care if it's Wyoming wilderness, non-resident tag allocations, wolf management policy, it's all off limits. Get in line and keep your mouth shut

I've got no issue with debate at all. This isn't debate. Its tall poppy syndrome and it happens any time Rinella or the meateater crew does anything that runs afoul of a lot of member's rules about what a hunting podcast should be. The number of people commenting on this thread that obviously didn't listen to the podcast is no different than me giving advice or arguing that Pack A is better for a 14 day mountain hunt than pack B. I live in Michigan, and I hunt whitetails I've got no business giving my two cents if I don't know what I'm talking about. (i'm sorry for the multiple run on sentences)

 

[Dos Perros]

Its tall poppy syndrome and it happens any time Rinella or the meateater crew does anything that runs afoul of a lot of member's rules about what a hunting podcast should be.

I really don't see it like that. Rinella is, or at least was, beloved. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I honestly don't recall any Rinella criticisms ahead of the buyout. Maybe there was a 2A thing in there somewhere, but that'd be the first.

I really loved pre-buyout Rinella, and my love now is less, for a lot of the reasons others have cited above. I'm not jealous of the guy, I'm simultaneously proud and disappointed in him. I believe him to be less sincere in some ways compared to before; I also believe him to be more sincere than before, just on a different set of issues.

This is not unlike when your favorite indie artist sells out and significantly changes their sound because that's what the music execs want.

I think people feel bombarded by all this, there is no escape, which is tough for some to accept considering hunting may be their escape from life and the real world in the first place. I know I enjoyed the NFL much more before all the kneeling. I know I enjoyed the Olympics more before talk of burning the flag or turning backs on the anthem. I really don't have a proposed path forward, but I think discussion and criticism is warranted, and that it should continue and not be silenced.

 

[cuerro viejo]

I have never seen him post anything politics related at all.

Are you thinking of his brother who owns HuntToEat? Because he is a raging liberal who is constantly talking about race and social justice, to the point of nauseum.

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No it was Janis. I've met him in person while hunting, I think he is a real nice guy and very genuine in his outdoor passions. I would assist any fellow hunter as much as I could, but if I don't align with the thought processes being pushed out on social media, I'm just not going to support monetarily. Especially “It's time we vote the racists out...everyone vote!”.

I unfollowed after that, like I said great guy in person, I'm just not going to financially support the platform as it moves further left, and repeats politically motivated illusory truth.

Now I get the torn passion of protecting wild places but the all or nothing take is really starting to compromise support, there has to be room for multi-use. While I do appreciate both sides perspectives it's really become one sided compared to the past.

Just my own personal thoughts

 

[ODB]

I've got no issue with debate at all. This isn't debate. Its tall poppy syndrome and it happens any time Rinella or the meateater crew does anything that runs afoul of a lot of member's rules about what a hunting podcast should be. The number of people commenting on this thread that obviously didn't listen to the podcast is no different than me giving advice or arguing that Pack A is better for a 14 day mountain hunt than pack B. I live in Michigan, and I hunt whitetails I've got no business giving my two cents if I don't know what I'm talking about. (i'm sorry for the multiple run on sentences)

Not hardly. Was a huge fan of Rinella when he lived on state street NY. He was honest, relatable, would return emails and sign books if you sent them to him. I know these latter points personally.

the problem is that he no longer “looks like me,” and I cannot identify with the “brand.” I liked hearing about his hunts and perspectives on hunting, but the mass-media marketing machine and e-commerce company is NOT interesting or unique, In point of fact it is falling right in with the rest of Chernin’s properties like Barstool sports.

I have a great deal in common with his brother Matt. Who I have also talked to about the explosion of hunters, social media, etc.

 

[cuerro viejo]

I really don't see it like that. Rinella is, or at least was, beloved. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I honestly don't recall any Rinella criticisms ahead of the buyout. Maybe there was a 2A thing in there somewhere, but that'd be the first.

I really loved pre-buyout Rinella, and my love now is less, for a lot of the reasons others have cited above. I'm not jealous of the guy, I'm simultaneously proud and disappointed in him. I believe him to be less sincere in some ways compared to before; I also believe him to be more sincere than before, just on a different set of issues.

This is not unlike when your favorite indie artist sells out and significantly changes their sound because that's what the music execs want.

I think people feel bombarded by all this, there is no escape, which is tough for some to accept considering hunting may be their escape from life and the real world in the first place. I know I enjoyed the NFL much more before all the kneeling. I know I enjoyed the Olympics more before talk of burning the flag or turning backs on the anthem. I really don't have a proposed path forward, but I think discussion and criticism is warranted, and that it should continue and not be silenced.

Very well said. I pretty much mirror.

 

[fwafwow]

I still listen every week - at 1.5x speed. I don't like every guest, or topic, and I fast forward more frequently than I used to. I thought the episode today was on the boring side, and the one that apparently started (or has been the focus of much of) this thread was somewhat interesting, but I didn't get the CRT origin from it. Maybe I'm just in a daze when I'm listening on a walk or drive.

Yes, it would be cool to have more of the "old school" topics, but a weekly show runs out of fresh ideas. And as for some not being about hunting, if you don't like that, I get it. But one of my all time favorites was when David Meltzer talked about the origin of man in North America. The more recent episode that featured him prompted me to buy another two of his books. I must be going soft.

 

[bobinmi]

so he became successful and is now accused of "selling out" isn't that the definition of tall poppy syndrome?

 

[Dos Perros]

so he became successful and is now accused of "selling out" isn't that the definition of tall poppy syndrome?

To me, selling out is changing the product to be different than what it was to appeal to a larger consumer base and profit more, even if that means alienating the original consumer base. That is different than tall poppy syndrome, which is quite simply jealousy. We might have different definitions of the latter, but it's the former that is important.

 

[Poser]

To me, selling out is changing the product to be different than what it was to appeal to a larger consumer base and profit more, even if that means alienating the original consumer base. That is different than tall poppy syndrome, which is quite simply jealousy. We might have different definitions of the latter, but it's the former that is important.

So you’re saying this: “Old school Rinella was the band Kiss circa 1975, when it was about the fans. New school Rinella is Kiss “Destroyer” aka the disco record, circa 1979, when it was about the money.” What will this ME brand look like in the year 2060?

 

[gelton]

So you’re saying this: “Old school Rinella was the band Kiss circa 1975, when it was about the fans. New school Rinella is Kiss “Destroyer” aka the disco record, circa 1979, when it was about the money.” What will this ME brand look like in the year 2060?

I think the better analogy, in this case, is when Chicago went from 25 or 6 to 4 with Jimmy Hendrix's favorite guitar player Terry Kath to largely keyboard-driven sounds like Hold Me Now.

 

[bojangles808]

You would have a point if this episode was in a bubble. And if you any close in your assumption that this podcast was about southern hunting history.

Recent episodes of meateater,

1. Disabled personality ranting on and on about how poorly the industry treated him. Lesson: Hunters are against disabled people and treat them unfair.

2. Leader of a black hunting annotative explaining why all hunters are racist You are racist if your nice to them or if you are mean to them. Hunting is just simply racist.

3. Hmong and why hunters are racist against them. Unfortunately the Hmong representative wouldn't really patriciate.

4. Numerous podcasts pertain white males in a bad light when it comes to tribal issues

5. Female Championship shooter. How the shooting industry is against women and holds them back.

6. Female free diver spear fisher champion. Again how that industry is sexist and how she was treated poorly.
7. Then the straw that broke camels back was the last one. A podcast about that a book that's out of print, that didn't do well, and had little to nothing to do with hunting. But had everything to do with racism and how all white men are racist.

8. If the have a podcast on why hunting is transphobic and homophobic this month then they will have hit all the basis.

If you don't see a pattern here then I'm not sure what you are looking at. Its crystal clear what's going on.

Again anyone of these in a bubble is fine. And all of them are worth exploring but not a podcast that is suppose to be about hunting and fishing and the consumption of those hobbies.

I'm a huge Rinella fan. Just look at my earlier posts. But there's no way to defend the Meateater podcast anymore. It's been taken over by the media agenda.

I know you got your cape on and are super proud of yourself for cracking the code and saving us from the chernin liberal brainwashing agenda but if that's what you got from those episodes you really should try and listen again. you are very confused.

 

[Newtosavage]

That’s exactly my point.

Meateater and Rinella himself have done the best job of bringing the gap in decades. Actually bringing millions of people to appreciate hunting or at least not see every hunters as Elmer Fudd.

It was apparent that in the last year the company was no longer on that mission.

But then again recent actions seem to be moving back in the direction of putting hunting in a positive light.

I guess Remi is the last frontier. If his next podcast is a lesson in critical race theory like Meateater’s was then we will know it’s officially jumped the shark. Lmao

You do realize that critical race theory is nothing more than choosing to tell the whole truth right? Nah, prolly not.

I agree with what you wrote right up until that point where you expressed your discomfort with someone telling the whole truth.

I have no problem with that. If people do, they should ask themselves why they do.

 

[Poser]

I think the better analogy, in this case, is when Chicago went from 25 or 6 to 4 with Jimmy Hendrix's favorite guitar player Terry Kath to largely keyboard-driven sounds like Hold Me Now.

Hard to get anymore dad- rock than Chicago 17.

 

[Poser]

Meateater 2011 vs Meater 2021

 

[ODB]

You do realize that critical race theory is nothing more than choosing to tell the whole truth right? Nah, prolly not.

I agree with what you wrote right up until that point where you expressed your discomfort with someone telling the whole truth.

I have no problem with that. If people do, they should ask themselves why they do.

CRT is NOT “just telling the whole truth.”

if you actually believe that you really need to go back and understand the roots of where it comes from

HISTORY is telling the whole truth, CRT reframes it through the Marxist lens as applied to race. Period.

 

[Will_m]

How come y’all can have this thread but we can’t have the coronavirus meme thread?

I’m telling!

 

[gelton]

You do realize that critical race theory is nothing more than choosing to tell the whole truth right? Nah, prolly not.

I agree with what you wrote right up until that point where you expressed your discomfort with someone telling the whole truth.

I have no problem with that. If people do, they should ask themselves why they do.

 

[grfox92]

Where did he say that? Was it on a Story? I can't find the post. I was just hoping it wasn't accurate, he seems pretty conservative from his commentary.

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