Wyoming Corner Crossing defense fund

[jmez]

Outfitters have exclusive rights. Wealthy, absentee owners have exclusive rights. Public land hunters aren't going to get very far.

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[Bighorner]

Beware what you wish for with the task force. There is talk about private access in return for transferable land owner tags. That is a whole other can of worms for a different thread, but the access agreements are year to year the transferable tags will be forever. If you think it's hard to get a good tag now, wait until they are all soaked up by landowner tags and are sold for thousands of dollars on the open market. We wont have tags or a place to go when we get them. Sounds like a bait and switch.

 

[deepnsteep]

Beware what you wish for with the task force. There is talk about private access in return for transferable land owner tags. That is a whole other can of worms for a different thread, but the access agreements are year to year the transferable tags will be forever. If you think it's hard to get a good tag now, wait until they are all soaked up by landowner tags and are sold for thousands of dollars on the open market. We wont have tags or a place to go when we get them. Sounds like a bait and switch.

I agree! Our current landowner tag system probably isn't all that bad or broken.

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[Mtnboy]

I don't want to take anything away from the contributions of the WY Chapter of BHA on this, I'm sure those are fine folks in the trenches.

But....those hoping for BHA at a National Level to step in "big" on this are probably going to end up disappointed.

I'd look for an Action Alert, couple social media posts and not much else.

 

[TheTone]

I noticed the owner of Reel Game Calls postings seem to indicate he’s firmly against corner crossing and sees it as a violation of private property rights. I always thought he seemed a bit “off” and the calls looked like crap but now I know for sure I’ll own never one

 

[wytx]

I’m not convinced much will happen; there aren’t 50 people that corner cross in Wyoming and the other 50,000 didn’t care enough to bother calling the warden or sheriff to see what he’d do if they tried it. Elk mountain ranch will have nobody crossing but it’s the anomaly, there just aren’t that many people crossing corners. If this case is won, I suspect the legislature will step in.

We must deal with all 50 then because corner crossing does happen a lot. We work for a rancher that has some state sections adjacent and they corner on each other. I have made it known to the GW that we do not mind corner crossing at all.
Folks have been using it for years and for the most part are good about staying on public but there are always a few. The corners don't really matter much on the trespassing , folks that want to wander are going to anyway.

 

[Btaylor]

We must deal with all 50 then because corner crossing does happen a lot. We work for a rancher that has some state sections adjacent and they corner on each other. I have made it known to the GW that we do not mind corner crossing at all.
Folks have been using it for years and for the most part are good about staying on public but there are always a few. The corners don't really matter much on the trespassing , folks that want to wander are going to anyway.

I think this is such an important aspect to the discussion. I would speculate the folks making an effort to corner cross are likely not the folks poaching private property.

 

[Mtnboy]

Still be more than rmef has done in MT regarding multiple pieces of garbage elk legislation.

Ok.

 

[Mtnboy]

I noticed the owner of Reel Game Calls postings seem to indicate he’s firmly against corner crossing and sees it as a violation of private property rights. I always thought he seemed a bit “off” and the calls looked like crap but now I know for sure I’ll own one

Just scrolled his latest post.

I definitely know what company I won't be buying any calls from in the future....

 

[highfastflyer]

More media coverage, the more widely disseminated this is the better off public acceptance will be for public sportsmen access. https://wakeupwyo.com/wyoming-corner-crossing-legal-fee-fundraiser/

 

[TheTone]

Just scrolled his latest post.

I definitely know what company I won't be buying any calls from in the future....

The one on montanabha is even nuttier

 

[dieselchessy]

The one on montanabha is even nuttier

So are you “for” or “against”? The last line of your post above seems to contradict other comments. Maybe a typing error?

 

[TheTone]

Oops, yeah

So are you “for” or “against”? The last line of your post above seems to contradict other comments. Maybe a typing error?

Oops, typing fast while holding a child. Added
A word to the first post now to clarify

 

[cnelk]

Good article that Outdoor Life put out that has some great information

Public Raises More Than $50,000 to Defend Hunters Ticketed for Corner Crossing in Wyoming

When four non-resident hunters were charged with criminal trespass for corner crossing in Wyoming, the public responded by raising funds.

www.outdoorlife.com

 

[highfastflyer]

More media coverage keeping this alive in the public limelight. The legal defense fund now has 51K in funding, almost double the goal. The more the public finds out about this the better public acceptance and support it will gain.

Public Raises More Than $50,000 to Defend Hunters Ticketed for Corner Crossing in Wyoming

When four non-resident hunters were charged with criminal trespass for corner crossing in Wyoming, the public responded by raising funds.

www.outdoorlife.com

Corner Crossing Turns Into Trespassing Charges for These Hunters

4 Wyomingites fight trespassing charges

wakeupwyo.com

Corner Crossing Conundrum In Wyoming - Eastmans' Official Blog | Mule Deer, Antelope, Elk Hunting and Bowhunting Magazine | Eastmans' Hunting Journals

Corner crossing is one of the most controversial topics out there right now. Let’s define corner cro

blog.eastmans.com

 

[wind gypsy]

More media coverage keeping this alive in the public limelight. The legal defense fund now has 51K in funding, almost double the goal. The more the public finds out about this the better public acceptance and support it will gain.

Public Raises More Than $50,000 to Defend Hunters Ticketed for Corner Crossing in Wyoming

When four non-resident hunters were charged with criminal trespass for corner crossing in Wyoming, the public responded by raising funds.

www.outdoorlife.com

Corner Crossing Turns Into Trespassing Charges for These Hunters

4 Wyomingites fight trespassing charges

wakeupwyo.com

Corner Crossing Conundrum In Wyoming - Eastmans' Official Blog | Mule Deer, Antelope, Elk Hunting and Bowhunting Magazine | Eastmans' Hunting Journals

Corner crossing is one of the most controversial topics out there right now. Let’s define corner cro

blog.eastmans.com

One minor gripe about the media coverage - lots of pictures zoomed in on a single corner or two to illustrate the concept. Is it too much to ask for a zoomed out image of the i80 corridor so people can understand just how prevalent this is? I don't think the average hunter who hasn't spent time around these areas fully grasps the context.

 

[Whisky]

^^^^ You're right, holy shit!

 

[Sccritterkiller]

This case will not solve the issue no matter how these fellas are charged. It's in criminal court so they will be found guilty or not guilty no precedent will be set either way...if they are found guilty 50K won't cover the appeal process to the next court level. If anything all this will do is bring attention to the problem and the state legislation will draw up a law to make it illegal.

I think that's why BHA was so quick to get involved great PR with a case that will make no difference. All upside for them.

I hope I am wrong but I don't see this case changing anything.

 

[GotDraw?]

This case will not solve the issue no matter how these fellas are charged. It's in criminal court so they will be found guilty or not guilty no precedent will be set either way...if they are found guilty 50K won't cover the appeal process to the next court level. If anything all this will do is bring attention to the problem and the state legislation will draw up a law to make it illegal.

I think that's why BHA was so quick to get involved great PR with a case that will make no difference. All upside for them.

I hope I am wrong but I don't see this case changing anything.

$50k can be spent in one month of prep for a trial. Easily spent.
Complex trial can cost well over $500k, even $1 milllion, then cost of appeal.
They'll need a real war chest.
Everyone hopes lack of conviction sets a precedent in the court, but the criminal court can only refer to existing regulations/law. The upside is getting the attention of the general population and put pressure on regulators and politicians to make access changes.

JL

 

[deepnsteep]

This case will not solve the issue no matter how these fellas are charged. It's in criminal court so they will be found guilty or not guilty no precedent will be set either way...if they are found guilty 50K won't cover the appeal process to the next court level. If anything all this will do is bring attention to the problem and the state legislation will draw up a law to make it illegal.

I think that's why BHA was so quick to get involved great PR with a case that will make no difference. All upside for them.

I hope I am wrong but I don't see this case changing anything.

Dave Wilms did a really good job explaining this on the Meateater podcast this week. I understood that this is a misdemeanor criminal trespass which means it will first be heard in circuit Court. If this is dropped or they win I think you're right about precedent. If they lose, they can appeal to district court and on up the line if need be, which probably means that precedent could be set.

Legislation could sure come up but it has in the past and hasn't gone anywhere. Even in the outside chance they could get something passed it would just add another layer of complexity to the existing law.

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