Who is this weasel??

[tdhanses]

Les Welch claimed a big statement was coming. Where is it?

Makes you think he was told to stop discussing, hasn’t said anything since.

 

[cmaddensl27]

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[Chad.frank]

Makes you think he was told to stop discussing, hasn’t said anything since.

Makes you think who was told?


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[tdhanses]

Makes you think who was told?


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Les, he is a Sitka ambassador or pro staff.

 

[Chad.frank]

Les, he is a Sitka ambassador or pro staff.

What is there for him to say. Honestly after 500 plus posts on this thread I think it’s time to put this to bed. If people don’t want to buy Sitka Gear because of what one guy said that had zero to do with Sitka then go ahead. In my opinion this has entered the ridiculous category now.


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[tdhanses]

What is there for him to say. Honestly after 500 plus posts on this thread I think it’s time to put this to bed. If people don’t want to buy Sitka Gear because of what one guy said that had zero to do with Sitka then go ahead. In my opinion this has entered the ridiculous category now and then not follow up on what he said, maybe he shouldn’t have said anything to start with about Sitka releasing a public statement.


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Follow along, no one is saying Les has to say anything. But maybe he should have not said Sitka was coming out with a public statement and for everyone to wait for it.

Also why does this need to be put to bed, if your not interested you don’t have to read the thread or even click on it, no need to shut down a thread just because you don’t like it.

 

[Dusty2426]

What is there for him to say. Honestly after 500 plus posts on this thread I think it’s time to put this to bed. If people don’t want to buy Sitka Gear because of what one guy said that had zero to do with Sitka then go ahead. In my opinion this has entered the ridiculous category now.


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That is your opinion. The fact of what he said doesn’t bother me as to who he said it with. A huge anti hunter who helped raise funds to intentionally interfere with the lower 48 bear hunts. I not concerned one ounce about Sitka being anti 2a that a lot of these posts lead to. I’m concerned with them having relationships with anti hunters. Our guns are a lot harder to take away than our hunting privileges which are not a constitutional right

 

[Chad.frank]

That is your opinion. The fact of what he said doesn’t bother me as to who he said it with. A huge anti hunter who helped raise funds to intentionally interfere with the lower 48 bear hunts. I not concerned one ounce about Sitka being anti 2a that a lot of these posts lead to. I’m concerned with them having relationships with anti hunters. Our guns are a lot harder to take away than our hunting privileges which are not a constitutional right

Again, Sitka wasn’t standing next to a major anti hunting contributor. It was a guy that was an independent consultant for the company. And you are right, I don’t have to read these. But at one point it actually took a humorous turn and that’s why I kept following.


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[Dusty2426]

Again, Sitka wasn’t standing next to a major anti hunting contributor. It was a guy that was an independent consultant for the company. And you are right, I don’t have to read these. But at one point it actually took a humorous turn and that’s why I kept following.


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So you don’t think that a major hunting supplier who employs a public figure,albeit contractor, makes a stand with an anti hunter that they should at least address it? Like the old says no goes “silence is acceptance” would it be so tough to at least publicly say hat his opinion is not the same as theirs? Seems like that’s all the people want. It the fact that they are silent about the issue makes me skeptical

 

[tdhanses]

So you don’t think that a major hunting supplier who employs a public figure,albeit contractor, makes a stand with an anti hunter that they should at least address it? Like the old says no goes “silence is acceptance” would it be so tough to at least publicly say hat his opinion is not the same as theirs? Seems like that’s all the people want. It the fact that they are silent about the issue makes me skeptical

He probably also thinks it’s ok if Remington hires or associates it’s self with anti gun individuals. Some will never see the conflict, they just like the product.

 

[Chad.frank]

So you don’t think that a major hunting supplier who employs a public figure,albeit contractor, makes a stand with an anti hunter that they should at least address it? Like the old says no goes “silence is acceptance” would it be so tough to at least publicly say hat his opinion is not the same as theirs? Seems like that’s all the people want. It the fact that they are silent about the issue makes me skeptical

To be honest I don’t need them to come out and say that they don’t support what he said. Because all I have to do is look at their base of work for the greater good of all outdoors men and woman. I doubt very highly that a hunting, that’s right HUNTING apparel company is going to have anti 2A or anti hunting views. Maybe I’m wrong, but I doubt it.


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[Chad.frank]

He probably also thinks it’s ok if Remington hires or associates it’s self with anti gun individuals. Some will never see the conflict, they just like the product.

This will be my last post. But if anyone thinks that this goes well for us as hunters without ever reaching across the aisle and agreeing on common ground then I feel bad about that. I’m a lifetime member of the NRA. I believe in the constitution and all the rights it affords all of us. I don’t agree with what Charles Post said or the campaign that he and the other guy were pushing. I do not blame Sitka for it. We are in the minority. How do we continue to get the majority to be on our side? It isn’t by demanding Sitka make a statement or talking shit about anyone that’s actually on our side.


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[Dusty2426]

To be honest I don’t need them to come out and say that they don’t support what he said. Because all I have to do is look at their base of work for the greater good of all outdoors men and woman. I doubt very highly that a hunting, that’s right HUNTING apparel company is going to have anti 2A or anti hunting views. Maybe I’m wrong, but I doubt it.


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You may not but a lot do want some sort of reassurance. And in the American way you can have your opinions and others can have theirs. Have you seen all the NON HUNTING clothing they are coming out with? No doubt in my mind they are playing both sides just in case. I’ll stick to other brands that are providing excellent gear and openly support hunting and public land usage. You obviously have some sort of allegiance or reason to have a strong stance on their side and I commend you for your loyalty. But my loyalty lies with hunters rights and not with a consultant that has anti hunting views.

 

[Chad.frank]

You may not but a lot do want some sort of reassurance. And in the American way you can have your opinions and others can have theirs. Have you seen all the NON HUNTING clothing they are coming out with? No doubt in my mind they are playing both sides just in case. I’ll stick to other brands that are providing excellent gear and openly support hunting and public land usage. You obviously have some sort of allegiance or reason to have a strong stance on their side and I commend you for your loyalty. But my loyalty lies with hunters rights and not with a consultant that has anti hunting views.

I lied, this is my last post. I don’t have any allegiance to Sitka. I wear their clothing and I wear First Lite. I also wear some none hunting brand gear also. I use what works. And I think it’s great that you wear other stuff also. We do all have our own opinion and maybe I got a little fired up before because Les was dragged into this. I know him personally and consider him a great friend. I believe that if he thought for 1 sec that Sitka was leaning towards the anti hunting community that he would no longer associate with them. I also believe that Sitka or any other company would be crazy to not want anyone wearing there stuff. After all they are in business to make money. Good night all. Sorry for stirring the pot.


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[tdhanses]

This will be my last post. But if anyone thinks that this goes well for us as hunters without ever reaching across the aisle and agreeing on common ground then I feel bad about that. I’m a lifetime member of the NRA. I believe in the constitution and all the rights it affords all of us. I don’t agree with what Charles Post said or the campaign that he and the other guy were pushing. I do not blame Sitka for it. We are in the minority. How do we continue to get the majority to be on our side? It isn’t by demanding Sitka make a statement or talking shit about anyone that’s actually on our side.


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I feel that’s a brainwashed thought, don’t follow the media they tend to sway what is really going on. I know many that don’t hunt or own guns, they think neither are the problem, we’ll i know one guy but he is crazy far left, like the media.

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You may not but a lot do want some sort of reassurance. And in the American way you can have your opinions and others can have theirs. Have you seen all the NON HUNTING clothing they are coming out with? No doubt in my mind they are playing both sides just in case. I’ll stick to other brands that are providing excellent gear and openly support hunting and public land usage. You obviously have some sort of allegiance or reason to have a strong stance on their side and I commend you for your loyalty. But my loyalty lies with hunters rights and not with a consultant that has anti hunting views.

Some seem to forget Gore in the end will control Sitka’s direction and it’ll go where the money is. Historically Sitka has been a great partner of conservation, that could easily stop if Gore sees it as a roadblock to profit. Non hunting groups are a larger market.

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I lied, this is my last post. I don’t have any allegiance to Sitka. I wear their clothing and I wear First Lite. I also wear some none hunting brand gear also. I use what works. And I think it’s great that you wear other stuff also. We do all have our own opinion and maybe I got a little fired up before because Les was dragged into this. I know him personally and consider him a great friend. I believe that if he thought for 1 sec that Sitka was leaning towards the anti hunting community that he would no longer associate with them. I also believe that Sitka or any other company would be crazy to not want anyone wearing there stuff. After all they are in business to make money. Good night all. Sorry for stirring the pot.


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Haha this thread is just like Lays chips, can’t have just one last chip.

 

[Chad.frank]

I feel that’s a brainwashed thought, don’t follow the media they tend to sway what is really going on. I know many that don’t hunt or own guns, they think neither are the problem, we’ll i know one guy but he is crazy far left, like the media.

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Some seem to forget Gore in the end will control Sitka’s direction and it’ll go where the money is. Historically Sitka has been a great partner of conservation, that could easily stop if Gore sees it as a roadblock to profit. Non hunting groups are a larger market.

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Haha this thread is just like Lays chips, can’t have just one last chip.

Haha you are right. I don’t watch the news. But I do follow the numbers and the numbers indicate a decline in hunting. I also believe that people with power that want certain things will do whatever it takes to get what they want. I can see why people want a statement from Sitka and maybe the fact that Gore owns them is the reason there hasn’t been one. But in the end my whole point was that I didn’t blame them for what originally happened. And for me I didn’t need a statement.


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[Dusty2426]

Haha you are right. I don’t watch the news. But I do follow the numbers and the numbers indicate a decline in hunting. I also believe that people with power that want certain things will do whatever it takes to get what they want. I can see why people want a statement from Sitka and maybe the fact that Gore owns them is the reason there hasn’t been one. But in the end my whole point was that I didn’t blame them for what originally happened. And for me I didn’t need a statement.


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Last post huh?

 

[WV Mountaineer]

I don't know for sure but, I'd say Sitka has been advised to stay quiet. There is probably some sort of contract in place for his services that defines his services. If those services for Sitka were not in question, things can get really tricky really quickly. I'd guess had he been an employee he'd been canned a long time ago if he did what this guy did. Or, at least put on the list to be canned. However, Post is an independent Contractor and not held to outside conduct by any company unless he signed a contract stating otherwise. Which would be ignorant in his position as a individual business owner selling his "product". Since he is his business, that makes it what it is.

I've been advised by in house council on things when an independent contractor did things that was definitely in opposition to what the company's goals were. As bad as it hurt not to be able to walk up and tell them what for and, to hit the road, it was simply a deal that we just found another contractor and moved on when the opportunity presented itself. Meaning ASAP. So, I wouldn't hold Sitka or, anyone else that reps their product to the flames over this. As bad as it hurts and feels, that is the way this world works. If Sitka's council is anything like what I've dealt with, that is what they have been told and, that is what they must do. Or, it will likely result in Mr. Post getting a pretty decent settlement. Trust me, this scumbag is watching and waiting for an opportunity that he can profit from on this. Because, I'm betting the work he has done for Sitka, is pretty much over. "The company is deciding to go another direction" kinda of thing.

I'd be the first to say differently if this was not what I strongly suspect. I'll never buy a Yeti no matter what they do. It's how passionate I am about MY Bill of Rights. But, this is entirely different. And, must be handled differently. God Bless men

 

[les welch]

Les Welch claimed a big statement was coming. Where is it?

I claimed a big statement was coming? Interesting I don't recall typing that, or saying that.

Here is what I did say if you want the facts, as I don't work on bullshit opinions.

"Yes, wait for the official statement, which is being worked on. As I’m sure most people can understand, off the cuff and unthought out remarks get taken the wrong way and can be costly. Charles Post, case in point."

If you would read a few posts after that you would also see where I said I have more important things (like a life) to worry about, then to try and keep up with these pages of BS. You know those things called the Christmas holiday's. That's where you get together with your friends and family, and enjoy them. However as angry as you few seem to be, I can see where you may not enjoy time with family or friends......or maybe lack friends to be with because of said personality? Ohh and there's hunting season, yeah I'll elect that as well over sitting here with a few that can't see anything positive in life.

I know what happened. I know what steps were taken. I know where Sitka stands. EXACTLY where I told you they did from day one of this conspiracy theory thread, lol. I've moved past it. No more thoughts, no concerns (which I never had in the first place), no worries.

Could I tell you, I sure could. Sitka did send a message. Some of you here said you got it. Read it, trust it, look at past history of the company. Watch forward growth and communication from the company. It is what it is. Shit happens. You can move on, or you can dwell in the past on something that you think is something, which is nothing. Sitka said we could talk about it. I've chosen my route. It's to move on.

I will tell you this. Even if I hadn't found out what happened. Even if I had been told I couldn't talk about it. I would still have chosen Sitka. Why? Because I know. I know what they have done. I know who they are. I know what they are. I know where they are going.

I know what I am. I know who I am. I know what I stand for. I know what I want. Sitka has the same alignment. Personally I don't care if any keyboard warriors here like me or not. In reality I don't give a F if anyone but my immediate family likes me or not. Again, see above. I know who I am. If that isn't good enough, move on. I really am ok with that.

Now, anyone who wants to chat hunting, the best clothing in the industry, draw strategy, exercise, nutrition, triathlon, or anything to do with the outdoors, look me up at the upcoming shows. I leave in 4 hours for Reno. From there I'll be in Dallas, Harrisburg, Des Moines, Madison, Ohio, Omaha, New Orleans, Bozeman, a few I'm forgetting and some of the TAC'S.

Keep this clean or it's getting locked.

 

[Chucklehead]

I don't know for sure but, I'd say Sitka has been advised to stay quiet. There is probably some sort of contract in place for his services that defines his services. If those services for Sitka were not in question, things can get really tricky really quickly. I'd guess had he been an employee he'd been canned a long time ago if he did what this guy did. Or, at least put on the list to be canned. However, Post is an independent Contractor and not held to outside conduct by any company unless he signed a contract stating otherwise. Which would be ignorant in his position as a individual business owner selling his "product". Since he is his business, that makes it what it is.

I've been advised by in house council on things when an independent contractor did things that was definitely in opposition to what the company's goals were. As bad as it hurt not to be able to walk up and tell them what for and, to hit the road, it was simply a deal that we just found another contractor and moved on when the opportunity presented itself. Meaning ASAP. So, I wouldn't hold Sitka or, anyone else that reps their product to the flames over this. As bad as it hurts and feels, that is the way this world works. If Sitka's council is anything like what I've dealt with, that is what they have been told and, that is what they must do. Or, it will likely result in Mr. Post getting a pretty decent settlement. Trust me, this scumbag is watching and waiting for an opportunity that he can profit from on this. Because, I'm betting the work he has done for Sitka, is pretty much over. "The company is deciding to go another direction" kinda of thing.

I'd be the first to say differently if this was not what I strongly suspect. I'll never buy a Yeti no matter what they do. It's how passionate I am about MY Bill of Rights. But, this is entirely different. And, must be handled differently. God Bless men

Its very easy and in no way a breach of contract to issue a general statement of what Sitka stands for. All it takes is a "Sitka stands for ethical legal hunting and supports 2A rights."
You don't have to mention anyone or get into any specifics. But it gives a general reassurance of where the direction of the company is going. Its PR 101.
To suggest they can't say anything because of contracts or potential legal issues is baloney. They either dropped the ball on this PR wise, or the company is going in a radical leftward direction. Those are the two possibilities at this point. I'm still going to give them the benefit but its very suspicious...

If they have to hold onto him for a bit until his contract expires, that's totally understandable.