Why is Seek Outside giving gun control advocate Ryan Busse air time?

[Ten Bears]

You people need to lighten up. I have friends who love trump and I have friends that love Obama. We all go to deer camp, sit by the fire and eat good food and get along. Not much in life is black and white.

Diversity of views is okay ya know.

By the way, gay neighbors are the best b/c they keep their landscaping in tip top shape. Asian people throw great pot luck dinners and will welcome you into their homes with great hospitality. Republican people throw great BBQ dinners and are always willing to lend a hand in a pinch. Democrats throw great cocktail parties, have great travel stories and give to charities. Latinos are hard working, frugal and always cheery and full of humor when I talk to them. My fellow platoon leader was black and I knew he had my back (and vice versa) if we were gonna deploy.

Who here hasn’t done something wrong or said maybe I should have not said that out loud?

This is without question the funniest post I have read on here…

gay people have good lawns ?

Republicans make good bbq ?

Latinos are frugal ?

So many stereotypes….that don’t even make sense.

And all of this because you think diversity is awesome! Hilarious.

BTW. People are pissed because a hunting companies owner thinks the 2A is garbage and that people that support it are basically knuckledraggers. and then tried to sweep it under the rug.

 

[Gutshotem]

There’s no doubt that is where the blowback is coming from. I didn’t listen to the podcast, nor did most of the people commenting in this thread.

My point was the idea that someone should be run into the ground just for thinking a certain way is horrific. People on this thread are advocating for the demise of SO. They want to see American people lose their jobs at a company making quality product at a fair price just because their owner has a different opinion.

Is anyone willing to drive to Grand Junction, look at the people who sew the tents in the eye, and tell them they don’t have a job any more because their boss made some comments on twitter that some of the customers didn’t approve of?


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You can whitewash it however you like but he isn't catching heat for "thinking a certain way" or "some comments on twitter". He spread hate plain and simple and he did it for years. He laughed at and degraded half of the country and did it consistently for years. If he loses business because of it, he can look his own employees in the eye and explain it to them; however, he's already shown himself to be a coward so they'll probably just get an email.

 

[204guy]

Someone no longer wanting to enter a voluntary buy/sell agreement because of the company owners beliefs on restricting constitutional rights hardly cancel culture. Just seems like a logical conclusion if you hold different beliefs. I haven’t seen 1 call for Kevin to be banned from Rokslide or Twitter or facebook because of those beliefs. Now if he used the improper pronouns in his apology…. Katie bar the door.

 

[Ratbeetle]

Someone no longer wanting to enter a voluntary buy/sell agreement because of the company owners beliefs on restricting constitutional rights hardly cancel culture. Just seems like a logical conclusion if you hold different beliefs. I haven’t seen 1 call for Kevin to be banned from Rokslide or Twitter or facebook because of those beliefs. Now if he used the improper pronouns in his apology…. Katie bar the door.

Yup, the strawmen are now out in force and there is a complete lack of understanding about what cancel culture actually is.

 

[bsnedeker]

Democrats throw great cocktail parties, have great travel stories and give to charities.

FYI... Republicans give FAR more to charities than democrats. It's not even close.



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[Gutshotem]

You people need to lighten up. I have friends who love trump and I have friends that love Obama. We all go to deer camp, sit by the fire and eat good food and get along. Not much in life is black and white.

Diversity of views is okay ya know.

By the way, gay neighbors are the best b/c they keep their landscaping in tip top shape. Asian people throw great pot luck dinners and will welcome you into their homes with great hospitality. Republican people throw great BBQ dinners and are always willing to lend a hand in a pinch. Democrats throw great cocktail parties, have great travel stories and give to charities. Latinos are hard working, frugal and always cheery and full of humor when I talk to them. My fellow platoon leader was black and I knew he had my back (and vice versa) if we were gonna deploy.

Who here hasn’t done something wrong or said maybe I should have not said that out loud?

Let me tell you about a little bit of the irony in your post since I scrolled through his page before he deleted it. I agree with you, diversity is ok. Timm didn't express one diverse thought. He promoted one side and degraded the other side. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Everything was Black and White. Everything. So I find it interesting you're white knighting for him and and lecturing people here.

We've all said stuff we regretted but that isn't close to what happened here. He did it for years. Then he deleted everything like a coward and came here and tried to lie about it. All the way up there on hiss soapbox with no integrity.

And BTW, conservatives give far more to charity than liberals.

 

[grfox92]

Anybody have a SO pack for sale?

Unaweep 4800. Make an offer.

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[ThorM465]

There’s no doubt that is where the blowback is coming from. I didn’t listen to the podcast, nor did most of the people commenting in this thread.

My point was the idea that someone should be run into the ground just for thinking a certain way is horrific. People on this thread are advocating for the demise of SO. They want to see American people lose their jobs at a company making quality product at a fair price just because their owner has a different opinion.

Is anyone willing to drive to Grand Junction, look at the people who sew the tents in the eye, and tell them they don’t have a job any more because their boss made some comments on twitter that some of the customers didn’t approve of?


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You're assuming that the other side of this argument is willing to peacefully disagree with you. The days of conservatives and liberals debating, giving, taking, compromising to form a society in balance under a Constitutionally Limited Federal Republic are long since past. This has become left versus right (socialism vs capitalism, authoritarianism vs limited gov), there is no common ground to be had unfortunately. The other side at best wants to take away my ability to protect my family, at worst wants to see my family taken to gulags for re-education for not agreeing with them. The later is no longer hyperbole, it's a common believe on the left.

 

[Szwampdonkey]

You people need to lighten up. I have friends who love trump and I have friends that love Obama. We all go to deer camp, sit by the fire and eat good food and get along. Not much in life is black and white.

Diversity of views is okay ya know.

By the way, gay neighbors are the best b/c they keep their landscaping in tip top shape. Asian people throw great pot luck dinners and will welcome you into their homes with great hospitality. Republican people throw great BBQ dinners and are always willing to lend a hand in a pinch. Democrats throw great cocktail parties, have great travel stories and give to charities. Latinos are hard working, frugal and always cheery and full of humor when I talk to them. My fellow platoon leader was black and I knew he had my back (and vice versa) if we were gonna deploy.

Who here hasn’t done something wrong or said maybe I should have not said that out loud?

Man, i was waiting for this post! Gotta love the holier than thou progressive "thinkers" (i use the word thinker loosely) who are SO full of diversity and inclusion that then throw every single ignorant stereotype out there they can possibly think of to show how much they support diversity. Sure do love putting people in their nice little boxes with labels on them.

 

[douglasfir]

If you want to see the kind of business you’re supporting, all I’m saying is that Colorado voter registration records are public… not that hard to learn someone’s politics in this state.

If the SO people were just building gear that’d be one thing. But they’re trying to be influencers as well. I wont buy more stuff people with their politics trying to build a media platform.

 

[Ratbeetle]

If you want to see the kind of business you’re supporting, all I’m saying is that Colorado voter registration records are public… not that hard to learn someone’s politics in this state.

If the SO people were just building gear that’d be one thing. But they’re trying to be influencers as well. I wont buy more stuff people with their politics trying to build a media platform.

You can also check out opensecrets for public records on political donations. I'm not going to post the link but I certainly wasn't surprised by the search results.

 

[Rifleman86]

If you want to see the kind of business you’re supporting, all I’m saying is that Colorado voter registration records are public… not that hard to learn someone’s politics in this state.

If the SO people were just building gear that’d be one thing. But they’re trying to be influencers as well. I wont buy more stuff people with their politics trying to build a media platform.

So are political donations.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

There’s no doubt that is where the blowback is coming from. I didn’t listen to the podcast, nor did most of the people commenting in this thread.

My point was the idea that someone should be run into the ground just for thinking a certain way is horrific. People on this thread are advocating for the demise of SO. They want to see American people lose their jobs at a company making quality product at a fair price just because their owner has a different opinion.

Is anyone willing to drive to Grand Junction, look at the people who sew the tents in the eye, and tell them they don’t have a job any more because their boss made some comments on twitter that some of the customers didn’t approve of?


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Hey man, can you quote those advocating the demise of SO? We want SO employees to lose their jobs? Where is this? I’ve read this entire thread.

Maybe you’re the one reaching a little to far.

 

[fngTony]

This has become bickering and off topic (some comments).

 

[Pacific_Fork]

This has become bickering and off topic (some comments).

Agreed.

It’s so weird people have to bring everything politics into this. Just stop, it’s one issue and one issue alone in this thread - the 2a and those who either support it or want it revised/abolished.

Glad this companies views are brought to light at least.

 

[bsnedeker]

Agreed.

It’s so weird people have to bring everything politics into this. Just stop, it’s one issue and one issue alone in this thread - the 2a and those who either support it or want it revised/abolished.

Glad this companies views are brought to light at least.

This thread is 100% about politics so I'm not sure why you think it's strange that politics have been brought into a political discussion. It started as a conversation about the 2A, but the dude's Twitter thread opened up pandora's box to show his disdain for 50% of the population based on....YOU GUESSED IT: Politics!

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[ramsdude47]

I would love to see a source for the claim that Republicans give FAR more to charity.

The only scenario I can see that being true is if Joel Osteen’s 70,000 square foot home full of Ferrari’s and gold toilets somehow gets lumped into the charity category.

 

[Fartrell Cluggins]

Myself, and Seek in general have always been naturally curious. Being naturally curious leads us to experiment with fabrics and designs. This natural curiosity means we are open to discussing, learning, and deciding if it is useful to us.

In 2021, we recorded our second podcast with Ryan Busse, because we were curious about what he had to say. The first pod, he was a VP at Kimber and I had known him for several years when he had been a VP at Kimber. We understood he had written a book that many might find negative to the gun industry. That sounds interesting, why the shift? Maybe hunters want to hear why the shift ? We clearly stated we had not read the book, and by doing a podcast it did not mean agreement or approval. We couldn’t really push back, because we had not read the book. I am fine to have discussions with people I disagree with. Disagreements can help us learn and evolve, concrete our viewpoints, or challenge them. I am the type of person who can have a conversation with someone I disagree with, perhaps I come to value their viewpoint, or understand it, even if I disagree. I also think that our podcast is meant to be more exploratory rather than a place for a debate.

As an example, we have also done a podcast with the North American Non-Lead Partnership. It was about knowledge and learning but we didn’t go on a crusade to ban lead. No one has tried to cancel us because of the podcast. It was about learning, and what we can better be done from his perspective.

That being said, I find questioning our support to the hunting community a bit misguided. We donate often to small archery clubs, small hunting clubs, LE, and many small groups, not including large donations BHA, Wild Sheep, Trout Unlimited, Sportsman for the Boundary waters, TWS, TRCP, the Arctic National Refuge, Pheasants Forever ….and generally, these aren’t small donations.

I also find interesting parallels in some of the comments expressed here, from hunters, and those from other customer segments. I am aware that some Rec. people try to dismiss us as a hunting brand, and some hunters try to dismiss us as a rec brand. We do support some rec groups like American Packrafting Association but in any recreational setting, we still unequivocally support public land fair chase hunting. It’s not like we change who we are when communicating to groups. We just want to be who we are and understand there is market overlap.

There is also no political litmus test to work at Seek. I know we have some people, that are fairly conservative, and likely some that are not. I literally do not care. The only real litmus test is you have to be hunting-friendly, pro outdoors, show up for work, and do a good job. We have taught and mentored several of our employees who enjoyed the outdoors in non-hunting ways on how to hunt. We don’t force them to hunt by any means but if they want to learn we are happy to help and have directly added to our hunter population.

Overall, I feel this division and cancellation culture has gotten out of hand. Every topic or debate should allow for more nuanced opinions. I personally am an avid hunter, but I don’t want to do every type of hunting just to hunt. I like big wild places, and the experience, so I’m unlikely to be hunting over a feeder. However, I also don’t try to take away any type of hunting, some types just aren’t my gig and don’t align with what I want to experience. Likewise, when it comes to guns, you can be pro-ownership but want less gun-related crime. On this specific topic, I don't have any answers but my nature is to learn the perspectives of those who think that they do. Discussion can be more nuanced. Opinions can be more nuanced

Regarding Twitter, I have been meaning to distance myself from almost all forms of social. I even communicated that to Robby at the Western Hunting Expo (saying I was far less involved with RS as well .. until today) I mostly used twitter for football. I also have been an occasional agitator for fun … a little bit of both sides. So it feels fair, I am not a fan of the far left either. However, I have followed from both sides ..to see what is said. You could probably cherry pick things followed on both sides if you wanted. Last night, I had removed twitter from my phone (not because of this thread, but to get away from social.. at that time I had no idea of this thread) .. so today, I saw posts, screenshots in this thread, so I deactivated it period. After all football season ended last week and that was my main reason on twitter. Just to be clear, I am not a fan of Trump, though I actually mostly followed the Republican debates in 2016 and wasn’t a fan of Hillary either. I’m fairly in the middle. I like to get outside, I like to hunt. I like talking adventures with people. I like big wild places.

I have no idea where to start with this mess.

The contempt for ME that you espoused in your Twitter account is really all that matters.

 

[bsnedeker]

I would love to see a source for the claim that Republicans give FAR more to charity.

The only scenario I can see that being true is if Joel Osteen’s 70,000 square foot home full of Ferrari’s and gold toilets somehow gets lumped into the charity category.

Lol....just google it dude....lots of info out there. And think about it for one second: Conservatives tend to be more religious, religious people tend to give more to charity. It's not suprising at all except to the people who believe all conservatives are evil, greedy, capitalists who don't care about anyone other than themselves...which is a sad way of thinking.

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[steelheadmike]

Hey man, can you quote those advocating the demise of SO? We want SO employees to lose their jobs? Where is this? I’ve read this entire thread.

Maybe you’re the one reaching a little to far.

Fair enough, it is a little bit of a reach. But, after reading the whole thread, would you buy or recommend buying something from Seek Outside? It’s good, fair priced gear made in the US and they have always had great customer service but their owner is a lefty and wasn’t shy about it on social media.

If not, you are ultimately advocating for their demise. If we are talking about one person, yeah, it’s a slippery slope. But multiply it by 10,000 people, it can make a big deal to a company like SO. They aren’t a big outfit. This is how a business works. People need to buy their products in order for them to exist.


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