Who is this weasel??

[Dusty2426]

However this effects Sitka, the intense debate stirred up by just one hire is testimony to the importance of vetting new employees.

Sitka may have intentionally hired this guy to attract that type of customer and will lose some current customers consequently. Or they may have been caught off guard and it will disrupt their momentum.

Not making a definitive statement will be seen as the former.

The ball is in Sitka's court.

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The only reason to care about Sitka's position is love of the sport and it's preservation. I have hunted a whole life without good hunting clothes and I would like to take advantage of good gear. However I would not spend one penny with a company that is contrary to that preservation in any form.

I suspect many others share my view.

Several companies making good gear Sitka doesn’t control the market.

 

[tdhanses]

I’m a little surprised this is still going this strong. 421 posts so far. I’ve read a good deal of them and if anyone took the time to read them for one you would see that the generic answers that people were getting from Sitka are answered from an independent group that runs Sitkas social media.
I also think that unless we reach across the Isles we will lose the battle of attrition. Numbers have been going down in hunting and that’s a fact. If you would take the time you might have common ground with the hipsters, doesn’t mean you have to agree on every topic. But you can agree on the ones that you have in common. And if you present your view in an educated way then you might change their minds on other things.

Simple fact is that CP did something that anyone that hunts and owns guns didn’t agree with, I know I didn’t. But in the end that doesn’t make him a 100% bad person. And again I will say, Sitka has not a thing to do with this incident and I still do not think they owe anyone any explanation. If anyone actually really believes that they are anti 2A then I think you need your heads examined. All the things they have done over they years obviously doesn’t mean a thing.


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How does this work, if we don’t agree do we just sit back and say well we agree on something else so we’ll let them speak their mind and not object. We can agree on similar issues but no we shouldn’t sit back and ignore the issues we don’t agree with, this is how you lose rights etc and how many have handled these types of situations in the past. Truth is those that wish to take away all gun and hunting rights never sit back, they have that squeaky voice that gets greased, look at the Grizzly hunting in the lower 48, didn’t happen did it.

Truth of the matter is we must speak up and be heard or make our views known, otherwise we seem like a very small insignificant group. Really all this thread is, is guys saying they are sick of being pc and why the heck did a supposed supporter of ours think this guy was a good option for them.

 

[Okhotnik]

Great points

I welcome all new types into the hunting community. I just have issues that they immediately become the self proclaimed spokesman for hunting community and sit on corporate boards,state fish and game commissions, hunting related social media and morph hunting into their own version of what hunting should be. And yes in many cases hunting seasons are shut down and restricted by these new progressive hunters.These self promoting types like Post don’t give a damn about the heritage of hunting . They’re all motivated by thier own sense of self importance, their progressive vision of hunting and ego. He would not do a damn thing to help conservation and/or hunting if he could not promote himself.

Virtue signaling

Theyll sell out sportsmen in a second if it affected their likes and followers on social media or income stream.

Do these hipsters believe in the NA game management plan? Will they try to morph it into an emotion? Do they support all wildlife conservation or what is cool on a given day? Do they understand the right to bare arms covers all arms?

Just a few basic questions that come to mind when I think about these “new” or “modern” hipster hunters. While I would agree that it is always great to increase our numbers, I don’t if in the long run they change it and give up “emotional” aspects for their current moods. To me these are “fad” hunters if they even hunt, they are like the individual that starts a new hobby cause it is what all the cool kids are doing only to drop it a few years later with almost zero personally invested.

So I’m torn because they could easily damage hunting as much as help it. How do they feel on trapping and bear baiting, predator management overall? What forums of hunting are acceptable? What groups do they associate with? Seriously how does a guy like Post even know the poster boy for HSUS, do you think Randy Newberg or Cory Jacobson know and would make a video with anti-hunting groups or their members?

Really our country is at a tipping point where if we don’t let our voice known things as we know it “traditions” and “right” will change quickly and we’ll be dreaming of the good old days. Change does happen but hunters have historically sat back and just assumed it’ll all be ok, maybe from fear of offending those in the middle that are not pro or anti hunting. Hard to say what impact they’ll have but it will not help if the majority of hunters stay quiet, I’ve even seen it on this forum, some just think this is like all times previous and nothing will change, hunting will go on.

One of our largest voices is our spending and if we let corporations know we’ll not support them if they don’t support us, we’ll thatll send a clear message. Being in the hunting industry, Sitka should have never associated with a guy like Post, they may regret that long term but my guess is people will forget and Sitka will only have a short term issue.

 

[Dusty2426]

Are they (Sitka) sponsors of this sight?

 

[tdhanses]

Yup, no internet sensation should be in charge of anything but their ego.

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Are they (Sitka) sponsors of this sight?

Believe so, I see their banner flash by at the top.

 

[Dusty2426]

Yup, no internet sensation should be in charge of anything but their ego.

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Believe so, I see their banner flash by at the top.

When it all boils down they are making a living on their followers and they will sell whatever they have to to not have to work a real job.

 

[Dusty2426]

Yup, no internet sensation should be in charge of anything but their ego.

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Believe so, I see their banner flash by at the top.

Why haven’t any of the big names on this sight or hat they sponsor speak up. Tyler freel did on his pod cast but overall it’s been real quiet

 

[Chad.frank]

Great points

I welcome all new types into the hunting community. I just have issues that they immediately become the self proclaimed spokesman for hunting community and sit on corporate boards,state fish and game commissions, hunting related social media and morph hunting into their own version of what hunting should be. And yes in many cases hunting seasons are shut down and restricted by these new progressive hunters.These self promoting types like Post don’t give a damn about the heritage of hunting . They’re all motivated by thier own sense of self importance, their progressive vision of hunting and ego. He would not do a damn thing to help conservation and/or hunting if he could not promote himself.

Virtue signaling

Theyll sell out sportsmen in a second if it affected their likes and followers on social media or income stream.

Well I can understand how you feel. I can’t speak for his or anyone other than myself when it comes for reasons why we hunt or post on social media. In the end only the one that does can really say what their motivations are. In the end I think there is a disconnect between the newer generation of hunter and the older. I would love to get a delegation from both to sit down and see if we are as far apart as many on this forum think we are. Many times we are mad at each other over what ends up to be nothing, but in our minds it’s a huge thing. If we would take the time to communicate with each other we would most times see that it’s nothing.


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[jspradley]

Why haven’t any of the big names on this sight or hat they sponsor speak up. Tyler freel did on his pod cast but overall it’s been real quiet

They are all clearly anti-hunting and anti-2A as well....

BURN THE WITCHES!!!!!!

 

[Dusty2426]

They are all clearly anti-hunting and anti-2A as well....

BURN THE WITCHES!!!!!!

And his is the attitude we don’t need. This is a civil discussion at least on my end and we have smart remarks that prove we can’t work together to solve any issue.

 

[jspradley]

And his is the attitude we don’t need. This is a civil discussion at least on my end and we have smart remarks that prove we can’t work together to solve any issue.

I am being facetious but it's really not that far off from some of the conspiracy theorist logic being used here.

Sitka hired a dude who turned out to say some anti-2A crap and has ties to anti-hunters therefore Sitka is either blatantly anti-2A/hunting or hedging their bets on whether future social climate shifts to being against hunting really isn't really that much farther of a stretch of the imagination than expanding the conspiracy to- Rokslide has buddies at Sitka therefore Rokslide is really anti-hunting and anti-2A as well.

I mean even if Rokslide ISN'T anti-2A and hunting then they really should vet their sponsors better than to have companies with anti hunters on their staff as sponsors and/or close affiliates... right? After all we are known by the company we keep...

 

[Dusty2426]

I am being facetious but it's really not that far off from some of the conspiracy theorist logic being used here.

Sitka hired a dude who turned out to say some anti-2A crap and has ties to anti-hunters therefore Sitka is either blatantly anti-2A/hunting or hedging their bets on whether future social climate shifts to being against hunting really isn't really that much farther of a stretch of the imagination than expanding the conspiracy to- Rokslide has buddies at Sitka therefore Rokslide is really anti-hunting and anti-2A as well.

I mean even if Rokslide ISN'T anti-2A and hunting then they really should vet their sponsors better than to have companies with anti hunters on their staff as sponsors and/or close affiliates... right? After all we are known by the company we keep...

I don’t feel for one second that rok is anti 2A but I do feel they are pro money. And why would they come out against a major check writer? And that will be the death of it all. That’s how government lobbyists work. Pay enough for support no matter what the belief is.

 

[jspradley]

Well, I can at least appreciate and respect the consistency in your beliefs.

 

[*zap*]

I am being facetious but it's really not that far off from some of the conspiracy theorist logic being used here.

Sitka hired a dude who turned out to say some anti-2A crap and has ties to anti-hunters therefore Sitka is either blatantly anti-2A/hunting or hedging their bets on whether future social climate shifts to being against hunting really isn't really that much farther of a stretch of the imagination than expanding the conspiracy to- Rokslide has buddies at Sitka therefore Rokslide is really anti-hunting and anti-2A as well.

I mean even if Rokslide ISN'T anti-2A and hunting then they really should vet their sponsors better than to have companies with anti hunters on their staff as sponsors and/or close affiliates... right? After all we are known by the company we keep...

Yup.

Or, it could be that many folks like DRAMA...…

and the......my rights are SO important to me that I do not care about others rights. You must cater to me, which is similar to the anti gun crowd logic which is not logical at all.

Just sayin...

 

[Dusty2426]

Yup.

Or, it could be that many folks like DRAMA...…

and the......my rights are SO important to me that I do not care about others rights. You must cater to me, which is similar to the anti gun crowd logic which is not logical at all.

Just sayin...

There is no anti 2a right only a right to bear arms. The rights of the antis are written in laws against their harm which criminals and anyone hellbent on creating harm will not use anyway.

 

[Chad.frank]

I am being facetious but it's really not that far off from some of the conspiracy theorist logic being used here.

Sitka hired a dude who turned out to say some anti-2A crap and has ties to anti-hunters therefore Sitka is either blatantly anti-2A/hunting or hedging their bets on whether future social climate shifts to being against hunting really isn't really that much farther of a stretch of the imagination than expanding the conspiracy to- Rokslide has buddies at Sitka therefore Rokslide is really anti-hunting and anti-2A as well.

I mean even if Rokslide ISN'T anti-2A and hunting then they really should vet their sponsors better than to have companies with anti hunters on their staff as sponsors and/or close affiliates... right? After all we are known by the company we keep...

Thanks man. I’ve posted a couple times and skirted what you said. IMO Sitka, Rok, or any other person or company has anything to do with this other than CP, his girlfriend and the dude standing next to him. Those three and three alone should be explaining themselves, not anyone else. Period!


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[jspradley]

Thanks man. I’ve posted a couple times and skirted what you said. IMO Sitka, Rok, or any other person or company has anything to do with this other than CP, his girlfriend and the dude standing next to him. Those three and three alone should be explaining themselves, not anyone else. Period!


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Exactly, guilt by association with no supporting evidence is very dangerous territory.

We are drifting into snowflake/conspiricist-land here where all evidence, even evidence directly contradicting claims is seen as evidence of those claims. I'm not good at taking my own advice but there really is no point in even trying to reason people out of a position that wasn't reasoned into.

 

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There is no anti 2a right only a right to bear arms. The rights of the antis are written in laws against their harm which criminals and anyone hellbent on creating harm will not use anyway.

I never said there were anti 2nd rights.

 

[Chad.frank]

Exactly, guilt by association with no supporting evidence is very dangerous territory.

We are drifting into snowflake/conspiricist-land here where all evidence, even evidence directly contradicting claims is seen as evidence of those claims. I'm not good at taking my own advice but there really is no point in even trying to reason people out of a position that wasn't reasoned into.

Oh yeah I agree. When this all came down I saw on the Instagram post that sorta blew this thing open that people were asking for Randy Newberg and Corey Jacobson and others to speak up on the situation. I thought why on earth would they when they have nothing to do with it. It’s pretty ridiculous I think. I’ve got a good buddy that works for Sitka. If everyone that works there are half as crazy about hunting and public lands and pro 2A as him, then I don’t think we have to worry.


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[WhiteOak]

don’t feel for one second that rok is anti 2A but I do feel they are pro money. And why would they come out against a major check writer? And that will be the death of it all.

This is called running business and it is something many of us will never have to deal with but the reality is that we all must find our own way to make money. The beauty and the crux of capitalism. Heavy is the crown type shit. In my talks with family or friends that have thier own businesses I have came to the conclusion that I am happy to collect a paycheck without the risk of going under if something happens. Decisions aren't easy and people lifes are on the line. Business owners too need to support thier families as well as thier employees families. As cliche as the saying is this is nothing personal this is business.

I dont think anyone owes anyone an explanation or statement. I do not think there is some divide between the older and younger generation of hunters I think that the hunting community has grown more of a microcosm of society and there are now all types of people looking to get thier own meat. Meaning hunting support is gathering steam. More common ground than uncommon and the breaking off into types of hunters doesn't do any good. There does need to be a unified front against the antis and understand they have as much passion as we do, no matter how misguided. I also believe that a majority or the population does support hunting and sees the antis of being the fringe.

As far as sitka nothing leads me to believe they are anything anti hunting or anti gun but that they are pro business and making cash. Someone has to make those decisions