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You make some great points! I personally use 10x's from a tripod on a regular basis, possibly more than 15x or 18x depending on the situation. The drop in optical quality and the increased size have kept me from getting a RF bino. Especially for those that scout a bunch, I think you're better off having great glass, and just deal with the separate RF for the 10 days of season.Because 8-10x handhelds are for finding game and helping to determine base line shooting decisions at short to medium ranges- not for detailed examinations and long range. Mid level glass absolutely has enough resolution, clarity, contrast and brightness for what a 8x or 10x big game bino is for. The time reduction between seeing an animal and getting a firing solution is greatly reduced with bino RF combos. So much so, that while a Swaro NL Pure 8 or 10x offers a phenomenal view- very pleasing to look at, and certainly can see more detail- the amount or percentage of times that the increased resolution will make the difference in killing an animal or not, pales in the percentage of time that game that could be killed due to the greatly reduced shot process that combined units give you.
15x binos and spotters are for gawking at animals- 8-1x binos are for killing animals.
Having said that, one can get great optics and great to good range-finding performance now.
To each their own, he’s always been polite to me whenever I’ve messaged him with questions.The owners.......jerks, smartassses.
To each their own, he’s always been polite to me whenever I’ve messaged him with questions.
Ok, I'll bite on this.Nope. Especially if you are using mils. Bushnells are not the RF binos to get.
Ok, I'll bite on this.
As someone whose always been staunchly in the camp of separate units, what "tier" do you recommend a guy get into RF binos to give them a fair shake? I.E. how much do you need to spend to get real performance without compromising too much on the rangefinder or the optical quality?
Fury?
Revic?
Where do you cross the line from "meh" into "solid" as it pertains to RF binos? Genuinely asking as I may be in the market now...
Love it, much appreciated sir. Sounds like I need to do some more digging on the two and decide which will work best for me. I can see why you say what you do about RF binos and it's making me further re-think my system, but I'm also not made of coinage and I need to make sure I spend wisely.For solid optical quality and a good 900-1,100 yard rangefinder, the new Leica Geovid R’s. No ballistics, but most don’t need them anyways. For excellent RF and adequate optical quality- Vortex Fury 5000 AB. These Revic’s are kind of combining the optical quality or close to of the Geovid R’s, with an even better RF and much better/faster data display than the Fury’s. And, the weather sensor seems to adapt to ambient conditions much quicker than other units.
Side by side with Geovid Pro’s (which I find to be my preference of all the alpha RF binos), the Pro’s have better resolution than the Revics, however I doubt that there is a single animal I could find with the Geovids Pros that I would miss with the Revic.
As for reduced glass in the RF binos…. I’ve done it enough times with taped up Swaro/Zeiss/Leica versions telling people that they are the new binos from those companies, and to a person they all gush over the glass- even the people who previously stated how they didn’t like the RF alpha binos because the glass wasn’t as good. Are there minute differences between a Swaro EL and a Swaro EL range? Sure. But by and large people see what they want to see.
Love it, much appreciated sir. Sounds like I need to do some more digging on the two and decide which will work best for me. I can see why you say what you do about RF binos and it's making me further re-think my system, but I'm also not made of coinage and I need to make sure I spend wisely.
Thanks, this helps tremendously. I've messed with one a bit in the past but not enough to get a real feel for how they perform. I'll have to look at them closer the next time I'm at our local Scheel's and can get them out to glass the mountains next to the store.For most people, including people that shoot/hunt at longer ranges, the newer Geovid R’s at sub $1,400 are probably the best RF bino in totality.
For up close elk and alpine are you going with the 8 or the 10x?For most people, including people that shoot/hunt at longer ranges, the newer Geovid R’s at sub $1,400 are probably the best RF bino in totality.
For up close elk and alpine are you going with the 8 or the 10x?
I also had a defective unit out of the box and they replaced it. Haven’t had anymore issues and have been happy. Hope it stays that way.I have used Leica RF's since they were introduced maybe 20 years. Last year based on Forms and Broz's reviews on the Revic BR4, I ordered 2 of them, one for me one for a buddy. Both of them were defective out of the box. The vendor replaced them for us. I used mine last summer and into archery season quite a bit, so I would be proficient with them come rifle season. They worked as they should in the warmer weather.
Opening day it was raining/snowing lightly and 30*. The BR4 wouldn't range some elk at about 400 yards. The rest of hunting season they either wouldn't range or gave false ranges as compared to 2 Leicas and my buddys BR4- which have worked as they should to this point. The temp range was +20 to -12. I changed batteries several times.
I sent them in and Erin at Gunweks tested them by leaving them in her truck overnight. She called me and confirmed they were giving false ranges on known targets at their facility. She couldn't give me a timeframe for repair. They have been at Gunwerks for 3 months now, and my last email a month ago said they would be back to me "soon". So I have been without them for all of last rifle season, and our spring bear ends in 10 days.
With me personally seeing 3 out of 4 defective range finders from Revic I would certainly not put all my eggs in that basket. In many many Leica RF's I have owned and been around I have seen 1 failure. A buddy has one that quit working last year after 12 years of use.
I know this is a small sample size, and I will give the BR4 another chance when I gat them back. But I will be bringing my Leica RF's with me for an extended time.
Most likely you will be fine. The point I was trying to make was I would be without both my binos and RF at the same time for an undetermined amount of time. Also with a 5 year warranty, what happens after 5 years, and the electronics go south?I also had a defective unit out of the box and they replaced it. Haven’t had anymore issues and have been happy. Hope it stays that way.
You must be thinking of a different company.... I've been accused of being an Asshole and Hardass, but never smartass.....The owners.......jerks, smartassses.