Monos vs. Lead. Which do you choose and why?
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Rick M.
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Billy Goat
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Careful, someone will manage to find that offensive....
Billy Goat
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Friday night on RS, it's safe to assume something is getting locked.
If the ban hammer ends up coming out and Rick M. gets the hammertime, poor Rick M probably going to receive a bunch of hate.
Don't mean to jump to conclusions, just seen these heated debates get ugly when the Friday night Free time (alcohol) comes around.
If the ban hammer ends up coming out and Rick M. gets the hammertime, poor Rick M probably going to receive a bunch of hate.
Don't mean to jump to conclusions, just seen these heated debates get ugly when the Friday night Free time (alcohol) comes around.
Rick M.
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Rick M.
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Hopefully I haven't violated any of the rules. I think I've been pretty fair in my dealings in here.
Billy Goat
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So far so good best I can tell. You pushing some buttons, just don't get carried away. Name calling, or anything offensive, I forget what else. Anything degrading to women.
Just saying, don't get drug into a mud slinging match. Pretty easy for 2 members to get caught up in it.
Both get hammered, likely cause they were getting hammered.
Billy Goat
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That makes it look like yall are putting it back on the rails.
Need different meme, that one fails.
Here, maybe a little better.
Rick M.
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Well, I'm only having a single festive drink tonight (not a big drinker), and hopefully these are the only hammers I'll be dealing with. We’re all friends here.
Trigger warning - the photo below contains copper.
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Billy Goat
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Naw, that's just Redneck Iambic pentameter.
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Rick M.
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Good comedic intervention, fellas.
Accuracy can be spectacular with either type of bullet.
There are different ways to judge efficiency. Ballistic coefficient is one, however being able to push a lighter bullet to a higher velocity with a mono and get the same performance could be judged as a measure of efficiency with respect to getting the most velocity out of a cartridge.
From an on-game performance point of view, my experience is mono's tatter the heart and lung into chunks which pretty much stops life. To my mind it's a small amount of meat loss as well even when hitting solid structure.
With that said, same thing happens in my experience with a lead core bullet, and the heart and lungs tend to be much more liquefied. To my mind much edible meat is destroyed because not all shots are from perfect angles or hit a rib/shoulder depending on the shot given.
In that respect they are both equally effective killers.
On harder angle shots however the mono wound cavity has a better chance of coinciding with the vitals compared to a traditional lead core bullet due to better penetration capabilities. Can't speak to bonded bullets as I have not used them but I suspect monos will out penetrate them as well albeit to a lesser degree of some amount.
Part of my contention based on my experience that monos do so well is all my big game in the past 21 seasons has been taken with a 35 Whelen AI. 4 mule deer, 3 Whitetails and a dozen elk. Mostly the .358 200 TTSX.
Before that it was 3 mule deer, one elk and 2 white tails over 9 seasons shooting 180 gr X bullets from a 300 Win mag.
I have recovered two Barnes bullets over that period of time, both from the 35 Whelen AI. They expanded to .736" and .743" with uniform petals. Let's call it double diameter although it is a touch more than that.
That is a lot of frontal diameter that disrupts a lot of tissue with a .358 expanded to twice diameter. The surface area increases more with respect to expanded frontal area as caliber increases compared to just the increase in bullet diameter.
This may account for the animal reaction I see relative to a mono that does not expand to the same frontal area from a smaller caliber.
For example, a .264 bullet expanded to twice diameter has .2188 square inches of frontal area. A .358 bullet expanded to twice diameter is .4024 square inches of frontal area. Almost 84% increase. Someone check my math on that please.
Yes, the X bullet is not a solid frontal diameter however bullet spin is around 200,000 RPM and those petals are wicked cutting machines that catch tissue and fluid and fling it outward like a boat prop creating ancillary damage. I recall Barnes expansion test videos show the rotational spin as the wound cavity is created relative to lead core mushrooms videos from other bullet manufacturers. Wasn't something they pointed out, but something I noticed.
Accuracy can be spectacular with either type of bullet.
There are different ways to judge efficiency. Ballistic coefficient is one, however being able to push a lighter bullet to a higher velocity with a mono and get the same performance could be judged as a measure of efficiency with respect to getting the most velocity out of a cartridge.
From an on-game performance point of view, my experience is mono's tatter the heart and lung into chunks which pretty much stops life. To my mind it's a small amount of meat loss as well even when hitting solid structure.
With that said, same thing happens in my experience with a lead core bullet, and the heart and lungs tend to be much more liquefied. To my mind much edible meat is destroyed because not all shots are from perfect angles or hit a rib/shoulder depending on the shot given.
In that respect they are both equally effective killers.
On harder angle shots however the mono wound cavity has a better chance of coinciding with the vitals compared to a traditional lead core bullet due to better penetration capabilities. Can't speak to bonded bullets as I have not used them but I suspect monos will out penetrate them as well albeit to a lesser degree of some amount.
Part of my contention based on my experience that monos do so well is all my big game in the past 21 seasons has been taken with a 35 Whelen AI. 4 mule deer, 3 Whitetails and a dozen elk. Mostly the .358 200 TTSX.
Before that it was 3 mule deer, one elk and 2 white tails over 9 seasons shooting 180 gr X bullets from a 300 Win mag.
I have recovered two Barnes bullets over that period of time, both from the 35 Whelen AI. They expanded to .736" and .743" with uniform petals. Let's call it double diameter although it is a touch more than that.
That is a lot of frontal diameter that disrupts a lot of tissue with a .358 expanded to twice diameter. The surface area increases more with respect to expanded frontal area as caliber increases compared to just the increase in bullet diameter.
This may account for the animal reaction I see relative to a mono that does not expand to the same frontal area from a smaller caliber.
For example, a .264 bullet expanded to twice diameter has .2188 square inches of frontal area. A .358 bullet expanded to twice diameter is .4024 square inches of frontal area. Almost 84% increase. Someone check my math on that please.
Yes, the X bullet is not a solid frontal diameter however bullet spin is around 200,000 RPM and those petals are wicked cutting machines that catch tissue and fluid and fling it outward like a boat prop creating ancillary damage. I recall Barnes expansion test videos show the rotational spin as the wound cavity is created relative to lead core mushrooms videos from other bullet manufacturers. Wasn't something they pointed out, but something I noticed.
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