Lobbying Wyoming game and fish negatively affecting non-resident elk hunters

[BuzzH]

Buzz, we dont have separate resident and nonresident draws down here. It is all done as one. Same tag, same potential to draw.

I know, i know, its not supposed to happen like that. Most of the eastern half of the country is like this.

You’d tell 100 people to kiss off to support 2. Thats what i see as wrong. Then you will travel and use other states resources when you shoulda kept yourself home. Very hypocritical. Telling folks they are entitled and bad for doing the same as you did.

You're wrong, I'm thankful other states allow me to apply. But, if those other states decide not to allow me to apply there anymore I'm not going to bitch, piss, and moan about it. I'm also not going to stop supporting public land because of it, or stop supporting wildlife and conservation ngo's over it either. Nor will I make an ass of myself over it like many nrs are over it either.

That's the difference and it's a substantial difference.

I understand how wildlife management works and support all states who make decisions on their wildlife resources.

I have no grievance with that. Pretty simple.

 

[BuzzH]

Unless you want to hunt big game in Wyoming. Then the NR is shut out of the wilderness areas. Those are federal land are they not?

There is nothing stopping you from hunting big game in wilderness areas here but you.

Fact.

 

[BuzzH]

His view is you can step on them so your not limited even if the state doesn’t let you hunt them.

You can hunt them.

In the past 3 seasons we've hunted with 10 nrs in designated wilderness that never paid a dime to do so.

Good to have friends, I can see why you would have to pay someone to be yours.

 

[Whip]

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There is nothing stopping you from hunting big game in wilderness areas here but you.

Fact.

Of course you're right. So long as you don't mind shelling out thousands of dollars to have someone hold your hand to walk with you in it. Because it is so darn dangerous for me to hunt in it by myself. But like you say, if I just want to fish or hike in it I'm perfectly well qualified to do it all by myself. No experience needed.
Yeah, that makes sense...

 

[Whip]

You know, those whole thing probably wouldn't sting quite as bad if WY hasn't taken thousands of dollars from us over the years with the expectation that someday, maybe, if we lived long enough, we could draw a tag. And now just pull the rug out from underneath us and laugh at us like we're a bunch of gullible Suckers.
I guess you were right. We were gullible.

 

[BuzzH]

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Of course you're right. So long as you don't mind shelling out thousands of dollars to have someone hold your hand to walk with you in it. Because it is so darn dangerous for me to hunt in it by myself. But like you say, if I just want to fish or hike in it I'm perfectly will qualified to do it all by myself. No experience needed.
Yeah, that makes sense...

My friends paid nothing...another fact.

 

[BigBull777]

Should have had wildlife crossings from the get-go...not Wyoming's problem the feds screwed that up.

Really? The vast majority of Wyomings roads are designed, built and maintained by Wyoming residents and not the federal You really are just not a very bright fella Buzz.

Should have had wildlife crossings from the get-go...not Wyoming's problem the feds screwed that up.

Perhaps I gave you to much credit when I suggested you were just ignorant— The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of roads in Wyoming are not owned by the feds, designed by the feds or managed by the feds. Instead, they are almost all owned and operated by Wyoming residents. Go figure!

 

[BuzzH]

Really? The vast majority of Wyomings roads are designed, built and maintained by Wyoming residents and not the federal You really are just not a very bright fella Buzz.

Perhaps I gave you to much credit when I suggested you were just ignorant— The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of roads in Wyoming are not owned by the feds, designed by the feds or managed by the feds. Instead, they are almost all owned and operated by Wyoming residents. Go figure!

What state doesn't receive federal funding for interstate and state highways?

Just curious.

 

[BigBull777]

What state doesn't receive federal funding for interstate and state highways?

Just curious.

Not sure how this is even relevant to the topic? Are you saying the feds made Wyoming design subpar roads with no wildlife passage in return for federal funding?

Recall that this started when You said that the only federal aid Wyoming receives for wildlife is Pittman Robertson and dingell Johnson funding.

I called BS in that erroneous claim and posted just one example where Wyoming DOT received $14 million in federal aid to help them install new wildlife crossings in the States roads.

In your shock gobble reaction, without even thinking it through, you said something to the effect that the passage should have been designed into the roads in the first place and it was the feds that ‘screwed it up’

I then simply pointed out the fact that most roads in Wyoming are not owned, designed or managed by the feds at all… instead they are owned and operated by the citizens of Wyoming.

 

[BuzzH]

Not sure how this is even relevant to the topic? Are you saying the feds made Wyoming design subpar roads with no wildlife passage in return for federal funding?

Recall that this started when You said that the only federal aid Wyoming receives for wildlife is Pittman Robertson and dingell Johnson funding.

I called BS in that erroneous claim and posted just one example where Wyoming DOT received $14 million in federal aid to help them install new wildlife crossings in the States roads.

In your shock gobble reaction, without even thinking it through, you said something to the effect that the passage should have been designed into the roads in the first place and it was the feds that ‘screwed it up’

I then simply pointed out the fact that most roads in Wyoming are not owned, designed or managed by the feds at all… instead they are owned and operated by the citizens of Wyoming.

It is relevant, you act as though Wyoming is the only state in the US that is eligible to apply for federal grants.

In many cases, when IH were constructed there was no federal funding for wildlife crossings, so yes, it was a huge mistake. Much cheaper for the taxpayer to install things like that during initial construction than after. Seems short sighted by the feds, who fund this type of thing in all 50 states.

Intuitively obvious, even to a casual observer.

Do you have a relevant point?

 

[Whip]

My friends paid nothing...another fact.

So the reason that Wyoming has the wilderness rule is so that somebody will be your friend?
I suppose that's what it takes.
I can't think of another valid reason for it.

 

[BuzzH]

So the reason that Wyoming has the wilderness rule is so that somebody will be your friend?
I suppose that's what it takes.
I can't think of another valid reason for it.

Yeah, its pure torture for them when they show up to hunt at my place.

Take them to crappy areas to hunt and glass up raghorn elk for them:

Force them to stay in the basement of the double-wide.

And eat crappy food, like a 1/2 a pound of halibut caught on our annual AK trips, wild rice and a bitch creek:

Relax in the evenings with a night cap of horrible liquor:

 

[tdhanses]

Yeah, its pure torture for them when they show up to hunt at my place.

Take them to crappy areas to hunt and glass up raghorn elk for them:

Force them to stay in the basement of the double-wide.

And eat crappy food, like a 1/2 a pound of halibut caught on our annual AK trips, wild rice and a bitch creek:

Relax in the evenings with a night cap of horrible liquor:

I figured you and your buddies would stay at Brush Creek.

 

[Jethro]

I'd also like to say that not all NR think and feel the same.

You're not alone, Muley. I'm a NR and don't feel the same towards WY or its residents as this thread does. I've been there numerous times. Hunting, summer vacation, even 2 job interviews. Met lots of nice people. I have legally hunted on the other side of the magical wilderness boundary many times, and it never cost me a dime. I'd love to get whatever tag I wanted, whenever I wanted but I'm not ready to oppose the states rights to handle their own wildlife just to satisfy my wants. Certainly don't want federal land sold off just because tags are not available to me. That's idiotic.

I don't have a problem with residents wanting more opportunity. I don't have to deal with that in PA. But hypothetically if I couldn't get a tag here every year I would be in favor of cutting NR tag quotas.

 

[Gutshot007]

Yeah, its pure torture for them when they show up to hunt at my place.

Take them to crappy areas to hunt and glass up raghorn elk for them:

Force them to stay in the basement of the double-wide.

And eat crappy food, like a 1/2 a pound of halibut caught on our annual AK trips, wild rice and a bitch creek:

Relax in the evenings with a night cap of horrible liquor:

WOW! You know a thread has digressed when FOOD PORN is involved. You sure that's not CARP with some Walmart Great Value Bbq sauce slathered on it? I think I'm done and gonna put some time looking at the law /legislative angles

 

[AaronMColeman]

If you guys are looking for friends in Wyoming, hit me up. I could use a friend

 

[Squincher]

Yeah, its pure torture for them when they show up to hunt at my place.

Take them to crappy areas to hunt and glass up raghorn elk for them:

Force them to stay in the basement of the double-wide.

And eat crappy food, like a 1/2 a pound of halibut caught on our annual AK trips, wild rice and a bitch creek:

Relax in the evenings with a night cap of horrible liquor:

How come the only person in pictures you claim show how much fun your friends have hunting with you is...…you?

 

[sneaky]

I've got to say that's pretty awesome to have that lineage in Wyoming. I'd also like to say that not all NR think and feel the same. Not that it matters, but I'm fine and always have been with ANY state that I'm a NR in doing whatever they deem to be in thier best interest regarding wildlife management. It is beyond me as to why Wyoming always is the redheaded stepchild when it comes to this stuff? There is limitations for residents and NR in most states if you look and want to dig deep enough. It's life, take it or leave it. NR hunting has always been a bonus to all of the hunting I do. I have always been and always will be thankful whenever I draw a tag in Wyoming or any other state for that matter. I have met some fine individuals while hunting in Wyoming, residents and non-residents alike. (some have commented on this thread) Conversely, like anywhere I have met a few bad apples too. I truly do hope to be a proud Wyoming resident someday. I do want to suggest to maybe try to not lump all of us NR of Wyoming together.

You been to my neck of the woods lately?

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[Muley Buck]

You been to my neck of the woods lately?

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Unfortunately no, not lately. It's been a couple years.

 

[wytx]

Gutshot here is some light reading for you on the subject of NR licenses: https://scholarship.law.marquette.e...ferer=&httpsredir=1&article=1055&context=mulr

Might want to go down and read pages 366-371. Many court cases are cited if you want to research them.