Lobbying Wyoming game and fish negatively affecting non-resident elk hunters

[tdhanses]

70,729,000 visits to BLM lands a year:

https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/PublicLandStatistics2019.pdf

Administrative State /a/ Recreation Sites /b/ Thousands ___________________ Dispersed Areas /c/ Thousands ________________ Recreation Partnership Sites /d/ Thousands ________________ Total Thousands _________________ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Alaska 585 316 408 926 0 0 993 1,242 Arizona 1,831 3,711 1,327 1,518 1,755 2,939 4,913 8,168 California 6,061 11,670 6,151 5,603 78 24 12,290 17,297 Colorado 5,014 2,970 3,781 5,726 758 203 9,553 8,899 Eastern States 111 53 36 4 12 2 159 59 Idaho 3,132 1,789 2,956 2,527 4 1 6,092 4,317 Montana 2,493 2,202 1,829 2,670 2 < 1 4,324 4,872 Nevada 4,374 2,202 3,199 4,299 11 3 7,584 6,504 New Mexico 1,992 1,160 2,077 2,973 < 1 < 1 4,069 4,133 Oregon 4,502 3,621 4,500 4,236 237 130 9,239 7,987 Utah 4,694 2,725 4,221 2,944 138 169 9,053 5,838 Wyoming 1,279 888 1,164 861 17 3 2,460 1,752 Total 36,068 33,307 31,649 34,287 3,012 3,474 70,729 71,068

How many are repeat individuals that are residents within the state holding those lands?

 

[Gutshot007]

As a NR, I totally agree with ya'll. Nothing worse than the wealthy guys that used to try to buy land in Iowa just to establish residency to hunt big bucks. Iowa doesn't allow that either. I know MT has very strict rules on this too. I'm all for it.

I don't know Iowa laws. Say your family owned a 200 farm for three generations . The one you grew up and you left to a different state. Everyone dies of and you inherit the farm and want to return to hunt your land. Is there any exemption set up for this ? It think Montana has a "coming home to hunt" and a "native of Montana " tags with decreased cost .

 

[tdhanses]

As a 4th gen Wyoming resident raising the 5th gen, I really appreciate threads like this because it just reaffirms my beliefs about NRs. It also reminds me how important it is to stay actively involved within our state’s legislature. Thanks again for the re-education.

That they support the state in a very significant ways funding most wildlife management, keeping vast tracts of public land for your easy access and provide 36% of the states overall budget?

Yup we are such jerks.

One would think you would want to manage all public lands within the states borders, reduce the percentage nonresidents contribute to wildlife management to a minimal amount and get off using nonresident funds to fund the overall state budget, would take some sacrifices such as increasing resident taxes for one, being you don’t even pay an income tax yet freely let others that do fund a significant portion of the state budget, at least equal the playing field of trying to reduce the need for funding from nonresidents to not be 1/3rd of the states budget.

Truthfully a state income tax would probably vastly reduce the need for other states to fund the government alone and be equal to almost every other states tax burdens.

I forget we shouldn’t point these things out because many others are in a similar situation, but they do pay income taxes to help close the gap or try to.

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

I don't know Iowa laws. Say your family owned a 200 farm for three generations . The one you grew up and you left to a different state. Everyone dies of and you inherit the farm and want to return to hunt your land. Is there any exemption set up for this ? It think Montana has a "coming home to hunt" and a "native of Montana " tags with decreased cost .

No exemptions like that exist in Iowa. If you inherit the ground, to hunt as a resident you have to meet the residency criteria attached.

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

As a 4th gen Wyoming resident raising the 5th gen, I really appreciate threads like this because it just reaffirms my beliefs about NRs. It also reminds me how important it is to stay actively involved within our state’s legislature. Thanks again for the re-education.

Hey man, I totally respect your family and the laws and protections provided by the state of WY. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water with respect to NR.

 

[Steve O]

Except your not shut out of a single acre of federal land in Wyoming or any other state.

Unless you want to hunt big game in Wyoming. Then the NR is shut out of the wilderness areas. Those are federal land are they not?

 

[tdhanses]

Unless you want to hunt big game in Wyoming. Then the NR is shut out of the wilderness areas. Those are federal land are they not?

His view is you can step on them so your not limited even if the state doesn’t let you hunt them.

 

[Rich M]

Right because wildlife is a state asset held in trust for the citizens of the state it resides in. Same applies to your state of residence. I won't be bitching about what your state charges me to hunt there, what tag numbers you limit me too, and surely won't ask your state to sell off federal lands because of those decisions.

That would be as outrageous as it is stupid.

Buzz, we dont have separate resident and nonresident draws down here. It is all done as one. Same tag, same potential to draw.

I know, i know, its not supposed to happen like that. Most of the eastern half of the country is like this.

You’d tell 100 people to kiss off to support 2. Thats what i see as wrong. Then you will travel and use other states resources when you shoulda kept yourself home. Very hypocritical. Telling folks they are entitled and bad for doing the same as you did.

 

[Gutshot007]

No exemptions like that exist in Iowa. If you inherit the ground, to hunt as a resident you have to meet the residency criteria attached. View attachment 393490

Bummer

 

[Archer86]

Buzz, we dont have separate resident and nonresident draws down here. It is all done as one. Same tag, same potential to draw.

I know, i know, its not supposed to happen like that. Most of the eastern half of the country is like this.

You’d tell 100 people to kiss off to support 2. Thats what i see as wrong. Then you will travel and use other states resources when you shoulda kept yourself home. Very hypocritical. Telling folks they are entitled and bad for doing the same as you did.

if there was enough public land and critters to chase on them to draw a decent number of NR hunters i bet that would change rather quick most of the east side of the country is private and there is not much hunting access unless you own private or have a lease I won't be putting in for tags that I have to have a lease to hunt. you are not comparing similiar situations

 

[Muley Buck]

As a 4th gen Wyoming resident raising the 5th gen, I really appreciate threads like this because it just reaffirms my beliefs about NRs. It also reminds me how important it is to stay actively involved within our state’s legislature. Thanks again for the re-education.

I've got to say that's pretty awesome to have that lineage in Wyoming. I'd also like to say that not all NR think and feel the same. Not that it matters, but I'm fine and always have been with ANY state that I'm a NR in doing whatever they deem to be in thier best interest regarding wildlife management. It is beyond me as to why Wyoming always is the redheaded stepchild when it comes to this stuff? There is limitations for residents and NR in most states if you look and want to dig deep enough. It's life, take it or leave it. NR hunting has always been a bonus to all of the hunting I do. I have always been and always will be thankful whenever I draw a tag in Wyoming or any other state for that matter. I have met some fine individuals while hunting in Wyoming, residents and non-residents alike. (some have commented on this thread) Conversely, like anywhere I have met a few bad apples too. I truly do hope to be a proud Wyoming resident someday. I do want to suggest to maybe try to not lump all of us NR of Wyoming together.

 

[BuzzH]

Buzz, we dont have separate resident and nonresident draws down here. It is all done as one. Same tag, same potential to draw.

I know, i know, its not supposed to happen like that. Most of the eastern half of the country is like this.

You’d tell 100 people to kiss off to support 2. Thats what i see as wrong. Then you will travel and use other states resources when you shoulda kept yourself home. Very hypocritical. Telling folks they are entitled and bad for doing the same as you did.

You're wrong, I'm thankful other states allow me to apply. But, if those other states decide not to allow me to apply there anymore I'm not going to bitch, piss, and moan about it. I'm also not going to stop supporting public land because of it, or stop supporting wildlife and conservation ngo's over it either. Nor will I make an ass of myself over it like many nrs are over it either.

That's the difference and it's a substantial difference.

I understand how wildlife management works and support all states who make decisions on their wildlife resources.

I have no grievance with that. Pretty simple.

 

[BuzzH]

Unless you want to hunt big game in Wyoming. Then the NR is shut out of the wilderness areas. Those are federal land are they not?

There is nothing stopping you from hunting big game in wilderness areas here but you.

Fact.

 

[BuzzH]

His view is you can step on them so your not limited even if the state doesn’t let you hunt them.

You can hunt them.

In the past 3 seasons we've hunted with 10 nrs in designated wilderness that never paid a dime to do so.

Good to have friends, I can see why you would have to pay someone to be yours.

 

[Whip]

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There is nothing stopping you from hunting big game in wilderness areas here but you.

Fact.

Of course you're right. So long as you don't mind shelling out thousands of dollars to have someone hold your hand to walk with you in it. Because it is so darn dangerous for me to hunt in it by myself. But like you say, if I just want to fish or hike in it I'm perfectly well qualified to do it all by myself. No experience needed.
Yeah, that makes sense...

 

[Whip]

You know, those whole thing probably wouldn't sting quite as bad if WY hasn't taken thousands of dollars from us over the years with the expectation that someday, maybe, if we lived long enough, we could draw a tag. And now just pull the rug out from underneath us and laugh at us like we're a bunch of gullible Suckers.
I guess you were right. We were gullible.

 

[BuzzH]

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Of course you're right. So long as you don't mind shelling out thousands of dollars to have someone hold your hand to walk with you in it. Because it is so darn dangerous for me to hunt in it by myself. But like you say, if I just want to fish or hike in it I'm perfectly will qualified to do it all by myself. No experience needed.
Yeah, that makes sense...

My friends paid nothing...another fact.

 

[BigBull777]

Should have had wildlife crossings from the get-go...not Wyoming's problem the feds screwed that up.

Really? The vast majority of Wyomings roads are designed, built and maintained by Wyoming residents and not the federal You really are just not a very bright fella Buzz.

Should have had wildlife crossings from the get-go...not Wyoming's problem the feds screwed that up.

Perhaps I gave you to much credit when I suggested you were just ignorant— The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of roads in Wyoming are not owned by the feds, designed by the feds or managed by the feds. Instead, they are almost all owned and operated by Wyoming residents. Go figure!

 

[BuzzH]

Really? The vast majority of Wyomings roads are designed, built and maintained by Wyoming residents and not the federal You really are just not a very bright fella Buzz.

Perhaps I gave you to much credit when I suggested you were just ignorant— The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of roads in Wyoming are not owned by the feds, designed by the feds or managed by the feds. Instead, they are almost all owned and operated by Wyoming residents. Go figure!

What state doesn't receive federal funding for interstate and state highways?

Just curious.

 

[BigBull777]

What state doesn't receive federal funding for interstate and state highways?

Just curious.

Not sure how this is even relevant to the topic? Are you saying the feds made Wyoming design subpar roads with no wildlife passage in return for federal funding?

Recall that this started when You said that the only federal aid Wyoming receives for wildlife is Pittman Robertson and dingell Johnson funding.

I called BS in that erroneous claim and posted just one example where Wyoming DOT received $14 million in federal aid to help them install new wildlife crossings in the States roads.

In your shock gobble reaction, without even thinking it through, you said something to the effect that the passage should have been designed into the roads in the first place and it was the feds that ‘screwed it up’

I then simply pointed out the fact that most roads in Wyoming are not owned, designed or managed by the feds at all… instead they are owned and operated by the citizens of Wyoming.