Lobbying Wyoming game and fish negatively affecting non-resident elk hunters

[Maverick1]

Except your not shut out of a single acre of federal land in Wyoming or any other state.

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[RMM]

Absolutely they have a say on federal lands, why wouldn't they?

It's very common to receive written comments on proposed actions related to federal land management like forest plans, RMPs, EAs, EISs, travel plans, etc etc from people all around the country.

I also suggest that you way under-estimate what the general public is aware of regarding public lands. Over 6 million people visited Wyoming public lands last year. That's just Wyoming.

Even though many southern, Midwest, and eastern states have less public lands they are also visited by millions of people a year.

In the last decade there has been a substantial uptick in federal public land use...and it seems to grow more each year.

Good shit sells itself....

I would say the 6 million people visiting Wyoming has largely to do with Yellowstone correct?

 

[sneaky]

Not shut out. Just don't have the same rights to use them. The vast majority of people that use federal land have no need to see, use or pay for the 90% of public lands that residents want to keep as your personal private hunting grounds. Between not being able to hunt and struggling just to be able to find campsites because the locals have their camps set up on "their" spot for the entire summer what exactly are we getting in exchange for paying for those lands? Don't even get me started on the stupidity of the wilderness rules.

I've always been a big advocate of keeping public lands public. But when you shut us out of a reasonable chance to ever use them in my lifetime I've had enough. Pay for them yourself. And fight your own forest fires while you're at it.

Hunting is such a very small fraction of public land use. What do you not understand about that part? You wanna flip the middle finger to all the user groups? The ones that make up the 90% of public land use? You have just as much right to use public lands for other things, the fact you limit your use to one activity is your fault and no one else's.

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[BuzzH]

Checkerboard.

Depends where...research is your friend

 

[BuzzH]

70,729,000 visits to BLM lands a year:

https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/PublicLandStatistics2019.pdf

Administrative State /a/ Recreation Sites /b/ Thousands ___________________ Dispersed Areas /c/ Thousands ________________ Recreation Partnership Sites /d/ Thousands ________________ Total Thousands _________________ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Alaska 585 316 408 926 0 0 993 1,242 Arizona 1,831 3,711 1,327 1,518 1,755 2,939 4,913 8,168 California 6,061 11,670 6,151 5,603 78 24 12,290 17,297 Colorado 5,014 2,970 3,781 5,726 758 203 9,553 8,899 Eastern States 111 53 36 4 12 2 159 59 Idaho 3,132 1,789 2,956 2,527 4 1 6,092 4,317 Montana 2,493 2,202 1,829 2,670 2 < 1 4,324 4,872 Nevada 4,374 2,202 3,199 4,299 11 3 7,584 6,504 New Mexico 1,992 1,160 2,077 2,973 < 1 < 1 4,069 4,133 Oregon 4,502 3,621 4,500 4,236 237 130 9,239 7,987 Utah 4,694 2,725 4,221 2,944 138 169 9,053 5,838 Wyoming 1,279 888 1,164 861 17 3 2,460 1,752 Total 36,068 33,307 31,649 34,287 3,012 3,474 70,729 71,068

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

That's awesome! If you want to be in the resident pool maybe you should...crazy idea here I know so please stay with me here: Be a resident!!!! Maybe people being able to buy their way into the resident pool is a horrible thing?

As a NR, I totally agree with ya'll. Nothing worse than the wealthy guys that used to try to buy land in Iowa just to establish residency to hunt big bucks. Iowa doesn't allow that either. I know MT has very strict rules on this too. I'm all for it.

 

[Whip]

70,729,000 visits to BLM lands a year:

https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/PublicLandStatistics2019.pdf

Administrative State /a/ Recreation Sites /b/ Thousands ___________________ Dispersed Areas /c/ Thousands ________________ Recreation Partnership Sites /d/ Thousands ________________ Total Thousands _________________ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Alaska 585 316 408 926 0 0 993 1,242 Arizona 1,831 3,711 1,327 1,518 1,755 2,939 4,913 8,168 California 6,061 11,670 6,151 5,603 78 24 12,290 17,297 Colorado 5,014 2,970 3,781 5,726 758 203 9,553 8,899 Eastern States 111 53 36 4 12 2 159 59 Idaho 3,132 1,789 2,956 2,527 4 1 6,092 4,317 Montana 2,493 2,202 1,829 2,670 2 < 1 4,324 4,872 Nevada 4,374 2,202 3,199 4,299 11 3 7,584 6,504 New Mexico 1,992 1,160 2,077 2,973 < 1 < 1 4,069 4,133 Oregon 4,502 3,621 4,500 4,236 237 130 9,239 7,987 Utah 4,694 2,725 4,221 2,944 138 169 9,053 5,838 Wyoming 1,279 888 1,164 861 17 3 2,460 1,752 Total 36,068 33,307 31,649 34,287 3,012 3,474 70,729 71,068

Of the 1,164,000 visits to disbursed BLM land in Wyoming during 2019 how many of those were resident versus non resident? There are at least 130,000 licensed residents each year, correct? How many days per year do you think residents visit BLM land? My guess is they account for a vast majority of the uses.

 

[204guy]

 

[tdhanses]

Hunting is such a very small fraction of public land use. What do you not understand about that part? You wanna flip the middle finger to all the user groups? The ones that make up the 90% of public land use? You have just as much right to use public lands for other things, the fact you limit your use to one activity is your fault and no one else's.

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Thing is all those other users don’t hardly use any of it, they mainly stay on trails and close to roads. Would be easy to keep lands 90% of users use and sell 80% of it, that’s the point, hunters use much more that isn’t easily accessible compared to most groups.

It’s easy to get people on board when it doesn’t effect them and it’s harder to fight for something when you alienate a large group.

Fact is 90% of western resident and nonresident hunters wouldn’t have anywhere to hunt without public lands.

But once there are no more nonresident tags in time which user group is next to lose, those that aren’t native residents.

 

[tdhanses]

70,729,000 visits to BLM lands a year:

https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/PublicLandStatistics2019.pdf

Administrative State /a/ Recreation Sites /b/ Thousands ___________________ Dispersed Areas /c/ Thousands ________________ Recreation Partnership Sites /d/ Thousands ________________ Total Thousands _________________ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Alaska 585 316 408 926 0 0 993 1,242 Arizona 1,831 3,711 1,327 1,518 1,755 2,939 4,913 8,168 California 6,061 11,670 6,151 5,603 78 24 12,290 17,297 Colorado 5,014 2,970 3,781 5,726 758 203 9,553 8,899 Eastern States 111 53 36 4 12 2 159 59 Idaho 3,132 1,789 2,956 2,527 4 1 6,092 4,317 Montana 2,493 2,202 1,829 2,670 2 < 1 4,324 4,872 Nevada 4,374 2,202 3,199 4,299 11 3 7,584 6,504 New Mexico 1,992 1,160 2,077 2,973 < 1 < 1 4,069 4,133 Oregon 4,502 3,621 4,500 4,236 237 130 9,239 7,987 Utah 4,694 2,725 4,221 2,944 138 169 9,053 5,838 Wyoming 1,279 888 1,164 861 17 3 2,460 1,752 Total 36,068 33,307 31,649 34,287 3,012 3,474 70,729 71,068

How many are repeat individuals that are residents within the state holding those lands?

 

[Gutshot007]

As a NR, I totally agree with ya'll. Nothing worse than the wealthy guys that used to try to buy land in Iowa just to establish residency to hunt big bucks. Iowa doesn't allow that either. I know MT has very strict rules on this too. I'm all for it.

I don't know Iowa laws. Say your family owned a 200 farm for three generations . The one you grew up and you left to a different state. Everyone dies of and you inherit the farm and want to return to hunt your land. Is there any exemption set up for this ? It think Montana has a "coming home to hunt" and a "native of Montana " tags with decreased cost .

 

[tdhanses]

As a 4th gen Wyoming resident raising the 5th gen, I really appreciate threads like this because it just reaffirms my beliefs about NRs. It also reminds me how important it is to stay actively involved within our state’s legislature. Thanks again for the re-education.

That they support the state in a very significant ways funding most wildlife management, keeping vast tracts of public land for your easy access and provide 36% of the states overall budget?

Yup we are such jerks.

One would think you would want to manage all public lands within the states borders, reduce the percentage nonresidents contribute to wildlife management to a minimal amount and get off using nonresident funds to fund the overall state budget, would take some sacrifices such as increasing resident taxes for one, being you don’t even pay an income tax yet freely let others that do fund a significant portion of the state budget, at least equal the playing field of trying to reduce the need for funding from nonresidents to not be 1/3rd of the states budget.

Truthfully a state income tax would probably vastly reduce the need for other states to fund the government alone and be equal to almost every other states tax burdens.

I forget we shouldn’t point these things out because many others are in a similar situation, but they do pay income taxes to help close the gap or try to.

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

I don't know Iowa laws. Say your family owned a 200 farm for three generations . The one you grew up and you left to a different state. Everyone dies of and you inherit the farm and want to return to hunt your land. Is there any exemption set up for this ? It think Montana has a "coming home to hunt" and a "native of Montana " tags with decreased cost .

No exemptions like that exist in Iowa. If you inherit the ground, to hunt as a resident you have to meet the residency criteria attached.

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

As a 4th gen Wyoming resident raising the 5th gen, I really appreciate threads like this because it just reaffirms my beliefs about NRs. It also reminds me how important it is to stay actively involved within our state’s legislature. Thanks again for the re-education.

Hey man, I totally respect your family and the laws and protections provided by the state of WY. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water with respect to NR.

 

[Steve O]

Except your not shut out of a single acre of federal land in Wyoming or any other state.

Unless you want to hunt big game in Wyoming. Then the NR is shut out of the wilderness areas. Those are federal land are they not?

 

[tdhanses]

Unless you want to hunt big game in Wyoming. Then the NR is shut out of the wilderness areas. Those are federal land are they not?

His view is you can step on them so your not limited even if the state doesn’t let you hunt them.

 

[Rich M]

Right because wildlife is a state asset held in trust for the citizens of the state it resides in. Same applies to your state of residence. I won't be bitching about what your state charges me to hunt there, what tag numbers you limit me too, and surely won't ask your state to sell off federal lands because of those decisions.

That would be as outrageous as it is stupid.

Buzz, we dont have separate resident and nonresident draws down here. It is all done as one. Same tag, same potential to draw.

I know, i know, its not supposed to happen like that. Most of the eastern half of the country is like this.

You’d tell 100 people to kiss off to support 2. Thats what i see as wrong. Then you will travel and use other states resources when you shoulda kept yourself home. Very hypocritical. Telling folks they are entitled and bad for doing the same as you did.

 

[Gutshot007]

No exemptions like that exist in Iowa. If you inherit the ground, to hunt as a resident you have to meet the residency criteria attached. View attachment 393490

Bummer

 

[Archer86]

Buzz, we dont have separate resident and nonresident draws down here. It is all done as one. Same tag, same potential to draw.

I know, i know, its not supposed to happen like that. Most of the eastern half of the country is like this.

You’d tell 100 people to kiss off to support 2. Thats what i see as wrong. Then you will travel and use other states resources when you shoulda kept yourself home. Very hypocritical. Telling folks they are entitled and bad for doing the same as you did.

if there was enough public land and critters to chase on them to draw a decent number of NR hunters i bet that would change rather quick most of the east side of the country is private and there is not much hunting access unless you own private or have a lease I won't be putting in for tags that I have to have a lease to hunt. you are not comparing similiar situations

 

[Muley Buck]

As a 4th gen Wyoming resident raising the 5th gen, I really appreciate threads like this because it just reaffirms my beliefs about NRs. It also reminds me how important it is to stay actively involved within our state’s legislature. Thanks again for the re-education.

I've got to say that's pretty awesome to have that lineage in Wyoming. I'd also like to say that not all NR think and feel the same. Not that it matters, but I'm fine and always have been with ANY state that I'm a NR in doing whatever they deem to be in thier best interest regarding wildlife management. It is beyond me as to why Wyoming always is the redheaded stepchild when it comes to this stuff? There is limitations for residents and NR in most states if you look and want to dig deep enough. It's life, take it or leave it. NR hunting has always been a bonus to all of the hunting I do. I have always been and always will be thankful whenever I draw a tag in Wyoming or any other state for that matter. I have met some fine individuals while hunting in Wyoming, residents and non-residents alike. (some have commented on this thread) Conversely, like anywhere I have met a few bad apples too. I truly do hope to be a proud Wyoming resident someday. I do want to suggest to maybe try to not lump all of us NR of Wyoming together.