Lobbying Wyoming game and fish negatively affecting non-resident elk hunters

[BuzzH]

Not sure how this is even relevant to the topic? Are you saying the feds made Wyoming design subpar roads with no wildlife passage in return for federal funding?

Recall that this started when You said that the only federal aid Wyoming receives for wildlife is Pittman Robertson and dingell Johnson funding.

I called BS in that erroneous claim and posted just one example where Wyoming DOT received $14 million in federal aid to help them install new wildlife crossings in the States roads.

In your shock gobble reaction, without even thinking it through, you said something to the effect that the passage should have been designed into the roads in the first place and it was the feds that ‘screwed it up’

I then simply pointed out the fact that most roads in Wyoming are not owned, designed or managed by the feds at all… instead they are owned and operated by the citizens of Wyoming.

It is relevant, you act as though Wyoming is the only state in the US that is eligible to apply for federal grants.

In many cases, when IH were constructed there was no federal funding for wildlife crossings, so yes, it was a huge mistake. Much cheaper for the taxpayer to install things like that during initial construction than after. Seems short sighted by the feds, who fund this type of thing in all 50 states.

Intuitively obvious, even to a casual observer.

Do you have a relevant point?

 

[Whip]

My friends paid nothing...another fact.

So the reason that Wyoming has the wilderness rule is so that somebody will be your friend?
I suppose that's what it takes.
I can't think of another valid reason for it.

 

[BuzzH]

So the reason that Wyoming has the wilderness rule is so that somebody will be your friend?
I suppose that's what it takes.
I can't think of another valid reason for it.

Yeah, its pure torture for them when they show up to hunt at my place.

Take them to crappy areas to hunt and glass up raghorn elk for them:

Force them to stay in the basement of the double-wide.

And eat crappy food, like a 1/2 a pound of halibut caught on our annual AK trips, wild rice and a bitch creek:

Relax in the evenings with a night cap of horrible liquor:

 

[tdhanses]

Yeah, its pure torture for them when they show up to hunt at my place.

Take them to crappy areas to hunt and glass up raghorn elk for them:

Force them to stay in the basement of the double-wide.

And eat crappy food, like a 1/2 a pound of halibut caught on our annual AK trips, wild rice and a bitch creek:

Relax in the evenings with a night cap of horrible liquor:

I figured you and your buddies would stay at Brush Creek.

 

[Jethro]

I'd also like to say that not all NR think and feel the same.

You're not alone, Muley. I'm a NR and don't feel the same towards WY or its residents as this thread does. I've been there numerous times. Hunting, summer vacation, even 2 job interviews. Met lots of nice people. I have legally hunted on the other side of the magical wilderness boundary many times, and it never cost me a dime. I'd love to get whatever tag I wanted, whenever I wanted but I'm not ready to oppose the states rights to handle their own wildlife just to satisfy my wants. Certainly don't want federal land sold off just because tags are not available to me. That's idiotic.

I don't have a problem with residents wanting more opportunity. I don't have to deal with that in PA. But hypothetically if I couldn't get a tag here every year I would be in favor of cutting NR tag quotas.

 

[Gutshot007]

Yeah, its pure torture for them when they show up to hunt at my place.

Take them to crappy areas to hunt and glass up raghorn elk for them:

Force them to stay in the basement of the double-wide.

And eat crappy food, like a 1/2 a pound of halibut caught on our annual AK trips, wild rice and a bitch creek:

Relax in the evenings with a night cap of horrible liquor:

WOW! You know a thread has digressed when FOOD PORN is involved. You sure that's not CARP with some Walmart Great Value Bbq sauce slathered on it? I think I'm done and gonna put some time looking at the law /legislative angles

 

[AaronMColeman]

If you guys are looking for friends in Wyoming, hit me up. I could use a friend

 

[Squincher]

Yeah, its pure torture for them when they show up to hunt at my place.

Take them to crappy areas to hunt and glass up raghorn elk for them:

Force them to stay in the basement of the double-wide.

And eat crappy food, like a 1/2 a pound of halibut caught on our annual AK trips, wild rice and a bitch creek:

Relax in the evenings with a night cap of horrible liquor:

How come the only person in pictures you claim show how much fun your friends have hunting with you is...…you?

 

[sneaky]

I've got to say that's pretty awesome to have that lineage in Wyoming. I'd also like to say that not all NR think and feel the same. Not that it matters, but I'm fine and always have been with ANY state that I'm a NR in doing whatever they deem to be in thier best interest regarding wildlife management. It is beyond me as to why Wyoming always is the redheaded stepchild when it comes to this stuff? There is limitations for residents and NR in most states if you look and want to dig deep enough. It's life, take it or leave it. NR hunting has always been a bonus to all of the hunting I do. I have always been and always will be thankful whenever I draw a tag in Wyoming or any other state for that matter. I have met some fine individuals while hunting in Wyoming, residents and non-residents alike. (some have commented on this thread) Conversely, like anywhere I have met a few bad apples too. I truly do hope to be a proud Wyoming resident someday. I do want to suggest to maybe try to not lump all of us NR of Wyoming together.

You been to my neck of the woods lately?

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[Muley Buck]

You been to my neck of the woods lately?

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Unfortunately no, not lately. It's been a couple years.

 

[wytx]

Gutshot here is some light reading for you on the subject of NR licenses: https://scholarship.law.marquette.e...ferer=&httpsredir=1&article=1055&context=mulr

Might want to go down and read pages 366-371. Many court cases are cited if you want to research them.

 

[LostArra]

Gutshot here is some light reading for you on the subject of NR licenses: https://scholarship.law.marquette.e...ferer=&httpsredir=1&article=1055&context=mulr

Might want to go down and read pages 366-371. Many court cases are cited if you want to research them.

Interesting link. Thanks for posting it.

 

[Southforkguy]

Still trying to finger out what the Big 5 are. I got sheep, goat, moose, bison and ....?

 

[tdhanses]

Still trying to finger out what the Big 5 are. I got sheep, goat, moose, bison and ....?

Grizzly

 

[Rifleman86]

I feel like this sums up my feelings on this issue…

NR hunters-“Hey resident hunters, we keep paying more for tags, keep facing decreasing draw odds and outfitter preference, fund the majority of your F&G budget, have zero say in your legislative process, yet have stood by you time and time again at the federal level to protect public land and access… Can we at least agree to stand together as hunters not let anything worse for us than it is currently? We want our kids to be able to enjoy some of the same awesome opportunities we had, and keep fighting for the wild places and wild things we all love.”

Resident hunters-“F@ck you you entitled assholes! Quit trying to tell us what to do! All you NR are the root cause of all my states issues!!”

NR-

 

[Wyobohunter]

I feel like this sums up my feelings on this issue…

NR hunters-“Hey resident hunters, we keep paying more for tags, keep facing decreasing draw odds and outfitter preference, fund the majority of your F&G budget, have zero say in your legislative process, yet have stood by you time and time again at the federal level to protect public land and access… Can we at least agree to stand together as hunters not let anything worse for us than it is currently? We want our kids to be able to enjoy some of the same awesome opportunities we had, and keep fighting for the wild places and wild things we all love.”

Resident hunters-“F@ck you you entitled assholes! Quit trying to tell us what to do! All you NR are the root cause of all my states issues!!”

NR-

Maybe your state should enact tag preference for the citizens of your state.

 

[Bighorner]

There are loud voices spouting bs on both sides.

The current system people have bought into is based on animal populations we no longer support. It is broken and requires a new direction to be sustainable.

Demand has it paced supply to such an extent that tags prices are pretty much justified by the fact that we see it taking longer and longer to draw certain tags because of over demand. Ie point creep.

The task force as been asked time and time again to look at things from a long term perspective, not a quick five year fix. In that light you have a downward trend in supply and a steep upward tend in demand.

As a non resident you have lost more sheep and moose tags to population decline than you have to recent legalization, but I havent heard a word about that from the non residents. Please stop and read that again. Its important.

I'm not going to comment on the sale of federal land. At this point it dosent deserve a response from what I can see.

 

[bsnedeker]

As a non resident you have lost more sheep and moose tags to population decline than you have to recent legalization, but I havent heard a word about that from the non residents. Please stop and read that again. Its important..

And with this you just won the thread. Take that paragraph, put it as a sticky at the top, and close this dumpster fire down.



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[Rifleman86]

Maybe your state should enact tag preference for the citizens of your state.

We do. I didn’t even have to purchase a license or a tag to shoot a deer on my own land this year. I don’t necessarily agree with that (the state owns the wildlife, not me.) But I happily acknowledge a NR likely paid my way.

There are loud voices spouting bs on both sides.

The current system people have bought into is based on animal populations we no longer support. It is broken and requires a new direction to be sustainable.

Demand has it paced supply to such an extent that tags prices are pretty much justified by the fact that we see it taking longer and longer to draw certain tags because of over demand. Ie point creep.

The task force as been asked time and time again to look at things from a long term perspective, not a quick five year fix. In that light you have a downward trend in supply and a steep upward tend in demand.

As a non resident you have lost more sheep and moose tags to population decline than you have to recent legalization, but I havent heard a word about that from the non residents. Please stop and read that again. Its important.

I'm not going to comment on the sale of federal land. At this point it dosent deserve a response from what I can see.

I 100% agree that habitat and access is the #1 issues facing all of us and we need to work together to improve it. For the past century or so we have, and It’s the reason any of us have hunting opportunity at all.

But pointing the finger at NR hunters and reducing their opportunities is the easy button for state legislatures. In the long run it’s going to hurt us all.

 

[Bighorner]

We do. I didn’t even have to purchase a license or a tag to shoot a deer on my own land this year. I don’t necessarily agree with that (the state owns the wildlife, not me.) But I happily acknowledge a NR likely paid my way.

I 100% agree that habitat and access is the #1 issues facing all of us and we need to work together to improve it. For the past century or so we have, and It’s the reason any of us have hunting opportunity at all.

But pointing the finger at NR hunters and reducing their opportunities is the easy button for state legislatures. In the long run it’s going to hurt us all.

I dont know your situation or where you are from. I dont know if you were expecting to draw one of those tag based on your preference points or if you have actually done the math on your likely hood of randomly drawing a goat. As a resident I can say with absolute certainty that I dont plan to ever draw a goat moose, or sheep, the numbers are not in my favor. You cant win if you dont play so I with continue to throw in. I suggest you put pen to paper and see just how much you have really lost on terms of chance for you situation. Not just how many tags your pool lost, but the prior and current chances of actually drawing based on your own sistuatuon. Off the cuff I'm betting you went from around 0.1 percent chance to 0.5 percent chance, which in the grand scheme of life is no change. This whole thing has been spun so the task force is seen in a good light by citizens for what may or may not be yet to come out of the task force.