Elk and "ranchers" in Wyoming

[3325]

Out of state landowners. Much like the recent Montana elk thread. This time Wyoming: https://cowboystatedaily.com/2024/0...tl1wLdEajGVhRm45Bo_aem_FEILilEJb7ykzrM94cbi5g

 

[COelk89]

Mountain towns weigh Colorado’s first-ever tax on empty homes

Plus: More dead fish in Sloan’s Lake, adaptive playgrounds, battle in Fraser over open space conservation, someone is booby trapping a Telluride trail

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Here is a somewhat communist approach that could be adapted to these richers buying up the real estate.

 

[Humanmack]

Everybody wants their slice of heaven, then nobody else gets it...... South Lake Tahoe is doing something similar.

 

[Wyotom]

It’s been a growing problem for years. In conversations with local ranchers many have cutoff access to residents due to past trouble with following rules.

If we are lucky enough to get access via a handshake or WGFD (Walk-in or Hunter Management) , we need to do our best to be good representatives of the hunting community.

However, the good ol’ days may be gone. These landowners see the non-resident tag prices and understand the value and demand for such properties. Hopefully we can find some attractive incentives to allow public hunters access state resources (elk).

 

[drdrop]

Growing problem indeed! Mike Koshmrl/wyofile has been on this beat for a while now.

One of my favorites comes in this article: https://wyofile.com/elk-wars-inflated-herds-spur-committee-duel-radical-proposals/

If you want your hackles raised, check out this quote from rancher Juan Reyes regarding a proposed solution:

Wheatland-area rancher Juan Reyes charged that Game and Fish was “depriving landowners the opportunity of profitability.”
“That’s a taking,” the Cuban-born Reyes said. “And I came to this country because of socialism.”

Juan Reyes, of Wheatland WY has taken over $1.5 million in 'socialist' USDA farm subsidies since 1995.

Source: EWG subsidy database

EWG's Farm Subsidy Database

EWG's Farm Subsidy Database put the issue on the map and is driving reform. Just ten percent of America's largest and richest farms collect almost three-fourths of federal farm subsidies; cash payments that often harm the environment.

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[nickstone]

I got a good laugh out of Mr. Gilliland is crying about out of state landowners restricting acceess on private property. Meanwhile, he and the WYGOA continue to financially benefit from the restricted opportunities non residents have on public land in Wyoming.

 

[Wapiti66]

NR landowners won’t allow hunting but resident landowners do? BS. It’s all pay to play, NR and Residents alike. I get tired of this attitude that the problem is always NRs. These states thrive off money from NRs and their vacation money but blame too many problems on the hand that feeds them.

 

[drdrop]

NR landowners won’t allow hunting but resident landowners do? BS. It’s all pay to play, NR and Residents alike. I get tired of this attitude that the problem is always NRs. These states thrive off money from NRs and their vacation money but blame too many problems on the hand that feeds them.

That's a bit naive. Look at the participants in Access Yes. Yes there are still some billionaire ranch non-resident landowners that let the public kill cows on their land, but there are many more historic family ranchers participating in the program. Additionally, the latter group is more inclined to let the average folk hunt on their property if you know them and ask/lend a hand on the ranch.

 

[HilltopHitman]

This will just continue to push hunting into a “pay to play” sport…

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

Local farmer that's taken tens of millions in subsidies just bought 117ac recreational property in our area for $819k. I'm 50 years old, and at this point, there won't be any "handshakes to hunt" left for the next generation of hunters. Just sad.

 

[TaperPin]

Do folks realize corporations have taken over much of farming and ranching? The ranch manager that answers the phone is an employee. I don’t see corporate working ranches being any better than hobby ranches for the rich.

 

[Dos Perros]

Do folks realize corporations have taken over much of farming and ranching? The ranch manager that answers the phone is an employee. I don’t see corporate working ranches being any better than hobby ranches for the rich.

Do you have any evidence to support this? It's certainly not the case in my state, where agriculture is king.

 

[LFC911]

Do you have any evidence to support this? It's certainly not the case in my state, where agriculture is king.

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[Dos Perros]

Even then, what is the definition of a corporation? If you look up plots of land owned by my in-laws you'll see "xxx xxx Hay, LLC" or "xxxx Cattle Corp." It's a family business, but would it show up on the above report as a corporation? No idea.

 

[TaperPin]

Even then, what is the definition of a corporation? If you look up plots of land owned by my in-laws you'll see "xxx xxx Hay, LLC" or "xxxx Cattle Corp." It's a family business, but would it show up on the above report as a corporation? No idea.

I may be totally off base, but even 30 years ago I worked loading hay for a corporate farm - ranch manager explained how big farms are much more profitable and were gobbling up family farms. We drove 15 miles, past 5 farm houses that were now for ranch hands or storage, there were a dozen others we didn’t see, to the big stacks and a company truck from across the state would drive the hay to horse stables out of state also owned by the same outfit.

Similar stories all over. Just watching the old ranch houses fall one by one and become equipment storage lets you know when they sold out. The big multigenerational ranches butted up to Forest Service, may be family owned, but in each generation fewer stay, and more shareholders are living out of state, until they hire a manager and it becomes no different. Every billionaire seems to want a 5,000 acre ranch - those are considered family owned.

We have a number of subsistence ranches in the family, where nobody gets rich, but it’s a roof overhead - these are so small in the big picture as to be insignificant.

 

[jmez]

Most farms are still family owned. The families left just own a lot more of them. I'd also like to see how many of the corporations are heirs leasing the land. Like all industries, the big just keep getting bigger.

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[Dos Perros]

Ah so you mean smaller places selling out to bigger places wherein the folks at the top just wear a hat and cash the check and don't really get their hands dirty. I think that's symptomatic of wealth consolidation over the last generation, rich/powerful being able to influence and then take advantage of the tax code. I can't imagine being a fella tying to get into farming/ranching. Seems about impossible to raise the kind of capital required.

 

[jmez]

All of the big farm owners, 15-30k acres, I know still sit in tractors.

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[cuerro viejo]

I may be totally off base, but even 30 years ago I worked loading hay for a corporate farm - ranch manager explained how big farms are much more profitable and were gobbling up family farms. We drove 15 miles, past 5 farm houses that were now for ranch hands or storage, there were a dozen others we didn’t see, to the big stacks and a company truck from across the state would drive the hay to horse stables out of state also owned by the same outfit.

Similar stories all over. Just watching the old ranch houses fall one by one and become equipment storage lets you know when they sold out. The big multigenerational ranches butted up to Forest Service, may be family owned, but in each generation fewer stay, and more shareholders are living out of state, until they hire a manager and it becomes no different. Every billionaire seems to want a 5,000 acre ranch - those are considered family owned.

We have a number of subsistence ranches in the family, where nobody gets rich, but it’s a roof overhead - these are so small in the big picture as to be insignificant.

Big farmers are more diverse, it’s that simple. No different than investing. The hate for big multi generational farmers and ranchers on RS, is unreal.

Any business owner willing to cash lease or crop share is a opportunity for someone else to make a living doing what they love

 

[cuerro viejo]

Who Owns Kansas Farms?​

The Census of Agriculture calculates farm ownership by the farm’s legal status for tax purposes. Like many states, Kansas farms are primarily owned and operated by families or individuals, with 46,182 family farms as of 2022, or nearly 83% of all farms in the state. Partnerships accounted for 4,067 farms, or 7.3%, while 3,795 farms, or 6.8%, are owned by corporations. Other farms, such as estates or trusts, prison farms, grazing associations, American Indian Reservations, etc., make up about 3% of farms in Kansas.

Kansas farmers are predominantly men. According to the Census of Agriculture, there were 66,076 male farmers in Kansas in 2022, making up 66% of the state’s total producers. Kansas’ 34,579 women farmers accounted for 34% of the total.

Top Kansas Agriculture Facts From the 2024 Census of Agriculture

Discover interesting Kansas agriculture facts, from the number of farms in the state to the top agricultural products and more.

farmflavor.com

Majority of the LLC and Corps are set for liability protections, these aren’t publicly traded corporate giants also.