Are we headed for another 2008?

[sasquatch]

In this country you can get birth control for FREE. There's the morning after pill, probably available for FREE. If not go to the pharmacy, no RX needed. Condoms, FREE. IUD FREE. Please explain again why killing your baby is still necessary? Here's why: Planned Parenthood makes hundreds of millions of dollars killing babies and selling their body parts. It's also subsidized by the tax payers. I personally could care less who gets an abortion. Honestly I hope every Democrat gets one.

My son was born when I was 19 and I was making $6/hr. I worked my ass off and gave up all my hopes and dreams to provide for him and my wife. Justify killing the unborn however you want but I don't want to hear your excuses. 90% of abortions are due to people being irresponsible and not taking responsibility for their actions.

And if they weren’t allowed to abort

They STILL wouldn’t take responsibility, that’s where your tax dollars will come into play!


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[CoStick]

An estimated 2 million couples in the United States are waiting for a child to adopt, an estimated 700,000 children are aborted every year in the United States.
If the argument is these kids don't have a chance, lots of people are lined up to give them one.
I personally know of 3 couples that couldn't have kids and adopted. You have no idea the joy this has brought into their lives, and I'd bet if you asked those kids they'd sure rather be alive than dead.

Plenty of kids in the system to adopt, what is everyone waiting for?

 

[D.Rose]

If they are so ready and eager, there’s already 400k or so I’m foster care. 2m is a lot more than 400k, seems the foster homes should be empty by your logic.

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The total cost and months of court visits are a big hinderance. A close friend of mine just adopted and it cost him over $27K. I am a live and let live kind of guy but I don't understand why the government has to make the adoption system so overly complex when abortions and all that are so commonplace and simple.

 

[go_deep]

Plenty of kids in the system to adopt, what is everyone waiting for?

Guess you'd need to go do some research on all the different possible reasons. My simple guess is with the 3 couples I know that adopted it took between 20 months and up to almost 36 months to get all the money they needed saved and then get approved to adopt. The latest couple I know got approved for adoption on a Thursday, and brought their son home that Saturday. So if it wasn't so expensive and time consuming, maybe the foster homes would be empty.

 

[WeiserBucks]

The Gov makes everything 100x harder than it needs to be. We have to pay a $200 tax, submit prints for our background check and wait a yr+ just to take custody of a suppressor. I can't even imagine the expense and red tape that would go along with taking custody of a child.

Lots of kids out there praying for a loving family, lots of families praying for kids to love and plenty of government making it difficult for them.

 

[CorbLand]

Careful with your logic, someone will come along to tell you the reason you can't afford the $600k home your parent bought for 100K ten years ago is because you spent it all on Starbucks and avocado toast.

Laughs in having never stepped a foot in Starbucks or had avocado toast.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Laughs in having never stepped a foot in Starbucks or had avocado toast.

You're missing out. Both of those things are 10/10.

 

[String&stick]

An estimated 2 million couples in the United States are waiting for a child to adopt, an estimated 700,000 children are aborted every year in the United States.
If the argument is these kids don't have a chance, lots of people are lined up to give them one.
I personally know of 3 couples that couldn't have kids and adopted. You have no idea the joy this has brought into their lives, and I'd bet if you asked those kids they'd sure rather be alive than dead.

An estimated 2 million hunters want to shoot elk this year,. There are 700,000 land owners with more elk on their land than tags to harvest elk. . . We should FORCE those land owners to allow the hunters to shoot the elk on their land!!! It will help wildlife agency's reach objectives, it will feed the hungry, and it might even slow point creep (but I doubt it).

See my statement sounds crazy because you know "property rights" but the same group of anti COVID vaccine folks wants to force women to carry a baby for 9 months so that someone else can have one???

Is it murder to take grandpa off the ventilator when it's the only thing keeping him alive? How about pulling the plug on the 12 year old with major brain trauma that will never survive beyond a vegetative state in a hospital bed? I'm sure your ok with both of those very hard decisions, but a baby/fetus that cannot survive outside of a woman's body (ie without the ventilator) is sacred and must be protected at all costs, nevermind the other life involved?

Many of these states would like to do away with Plan B, texas and Missouri also don't want to allow citizens to travel to other states to get an abortion. . . This is about oppression, not about saving lives.

 

[String&stick]

Laughs in having never stepped a foot in Starbucks or had avocado toast.

Your obviously busy and using the drive thru. . . But it still counts!

 

[CorbLand]

Your obviously busy and using the drive thru. . . But it still counts!

I actually hate drive thru's and refuse to use them.

 

[go_deep]

An estimated 2 million hunters want to shoot elk this year,. There are 700,000 land owners with more elk on their land than tags to harvest elk. . . We should FORCE those land owners to allow the hunters to shoot the elk on their land!!! It will help wildlife agency's reach objectives, it will feed the hungry, and it might even slow point creep (but I doubt it).

See my statement sounds crazy because you know "property rights" but the same group of anti COVID vaccine folks wants to force women to carry a baby for 9 months so that someone else can have one???

Is it murder to take grandpa off the ventilator when it's the only thing keeping him alive? How about pulling the plug on the 12 year old with major brain trauma that will never survive beyond a vegetative state in a hospital bed? I'm sure your ok with both of those very hard decisions, but a baby/fetus that cannot survive outside of a woman's body (ie without the ventilator) is sacred and must be protected at all costs, nevermind the other life involved?

Many of these states would like to do away with Plan B, texas and Missouri also don't want to allow citizens to travel to other states to get an abortion. . . This is about oppression, not about saving lives.

If the landowners where going to chop up the elk and dump them in a dumpster in a plastic bag, sure, why not, because ironically it would be illegal to do that to an elk, but not a human.

Hey, if you can honestly tell yourself your good with babies being cut up and thrown in a dumpster, that's a personal decision you have to make and live with. Everything I posted is facts, the number of couple awaiting adoption, the number of babies killed by abortion, this isn't my opinion, it's a fact.

 

[roymunson]

cash is gonna make some people dangerous in the next 5 years.

 

[go_deep]

And because I like actual facts, of the 400k kids in foster care, only 117k currently are able to be adopted.

 

[BuzzH]

If the landowners where going to chop up the elk and dump them in a dumpster in a plastic bag, sure, why not, because ironically it would be illegal to do that to an elk, but not a human.

Hey, if you can honestly tell yourself your good with babies being cut up and thrown in a dumpster, that's a personal decision you have to make and live with. Everything I posted is facts, the number of couple awaiting adoption, the number of babies killed by abortion, this isn't my opinion, it's a fact.

Your facts are accurate.

I have my personal opinions on abortion, but that's where it should start, and end.

My opinions are not the opinions of others and that needs to be respected, including allowing others to live with their choices as well as the freedoms that makes this country different from most.

Legislating beliefs and imposing your will on others is a dangerous path...which throughout history has never ended well.

 

[Broomd]

I’m glad you had a choice with your daughter. Let other people have a choice about what to do with their body too.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article261207007.html

The control won’t end with abortions, they want to control every aspect of your life. We could very well be plunging into a dark age of theocracy with some of the religious kooks in power.

You obviously missed my point; It was never a 'choice' for us at all, we viewed that baby as precious life.
We all know the truth, 99.99% of the time R v W infanticide is nothing more than avoiding the results of unprotected sex.
The doomsday scenarios you guys constantly roll out seldom happen, and even when they do often the child would thrive and exist with perfect health (as in my daughter's case) or a waiting baren couple would enthusiastically take the newborn.

 

[bsnedeker]

Your facts are accurate.

I have my personal opinions on abortion, but that's where it should start, and end.

My opinions are not the opinions of others and that needs to be respected, including allowing others to live with their choices as well as the freedoms that makes this country different from most.

Legislating beliefs and imposing your will on others is a dangerous path...which throughout history has never ended well.

When your "beliefs" are that it is ok to kill someone because you don't believe they qualify as valuable your beliefs become more than just "opinions".

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[Broomd]

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Legislating beliefs and imposing your will on others is a dangerous path...which throughout history has never ended well.

All Alito's opinion does in essence is move this to be decided by the states.
Even RBG stated that Roe was terribly-written law.

The problem is that femi-nazis want this to be universal via Fed law.

 

[*zap*]

imposing their beliefs on others is the liberal ideal.....going on all across the land.

 

[BuzzH]

When your "beliefs" are that it is ok to kill someone because you don't believe they qualify as valuable your beliefs become more than just "opinions".

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You don't know what my beliefs are...speak for yourself and I will do the same.

And you should allow others to do the same as well. Neither you nor I have a right to impose our will on others. It's fundamentally wrong on all kinds of levels.

 

[*zap*]

^ actually, murder is the ultimate imposition of someone's will onto another human.