.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[dirtshooter]

BC and AB allow .22 cal centerfires.

 

[Kaleb]

I admit I don’t always wear my seat belt and drive over the speed limit too.

I guess one could bad mouth me or call me an outlaw but I would have a hard time abiding by the silly 6mm law in some states. I’ve been using 223/223AI and 22-250AI for 15 years and know the effectiveness of them on whitetail deer. If our law changed I’d keep using them. If I was nervous about it I’d have my barrels marked 6x45 or something else but doubt I’d bother. As an out of state traveler I would I have followed the states caliber laws. I would rather get a ticket at home than out of state.

I’m not saying my way of looking at things is right but I’m not out wounding deer or waisting meat either.

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

I’ve been checked twice while rifle hunting in WA. Neither time asked about the caliber of my rifle.

 

[cuerro viejo]

I just tried the Bone Frog 77 TMK 5.56 ammo in a Weatherby 307 223 and I blew primers in the first two rounds. Velocity was almost 2900 fps out of a 20 in barrel. Damaged my firing pin though. I will be trying them in my AR 15 5.56, but they are spicy with soft primers. I am getting 2760 ish out my handloaded 77 tmk loads with 23.3 grains of XBR and starline brass.

23” tikka. 15 shot 77 TMK 5.56
Bonefrog- 2832 14/44.7
Last Sunday

I’m guessing your 223 chamber isn’t going to be 5.56 friendly, like the tikka.

 

[nettereo16]

I’ve been checked twice while rifle hunting in WA. Neither time asked about the caliber of my rifle.

We got asked in Colorado elk hunting a couple years ago. Warden was a friendly guy so maybe he was just making small talk or was curious, but glad we didn't have to say 223!

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

My 6 creed barrel should show up end of July...hope I can get it spun on and shooting right by labor day weekend or else my .223 will be identifying as a 6 creed

 

[jikkyo]

My group got a couple of moose tags this year for BC. I know a couple of guys here have experience using the 223 (73/75 ELDM) for hunting elk and moose.

Just looking for someone who's done it to share their experience with these larger bodied ungulates and any difference to say a 30-06 or 6.5 creedmoor.

 

[Harvey_NW]

My group got a couple of moose tags this year for BC. I know a couple of guys here have experience using the 223 (73/75 ELDM) for hunting elk and moose.

Just looking for someone who's done it to share their experience with these larger bodied ungulates and any difference to say a 30-06 or 6.5 creedmoor.

See post #38 - https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/moose-hunt-cartridge-and-bullet.400355/page-2#post-4104683

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

My group got a couple of moose tags this year for BC. I know a couple of guys here have experience using the 223 (73/75 ELDM) for hunting elk and moose.

Just looking for someone who's done it to share their experience with these larger bodied ungulates and any difference to say a 30-06 or 6.5 creedmoor.

A few others in here. Cheat sheet helps.

Post in thread '.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.'

Feb 15, 2023

Somebody around Page 140 said "No cheat sheet" but I say "Yes cheat sheet"


Page 1 thru 10: Lot of arguing, couple of pictures. Some urban legend type of stuff, I can see why somebody would abandon thread because it looks like it's going to be another 160 pages of memes and shitposts

Page 10 thru 40 though, it gets interesting with lots of pictures of dead things
Form kill pics
Many pics, pic, pic, pic, Moose scapula, 4 elk

PNWGator:
OP's wife shot a moose
A frigin moose, holy shit
I mean, if a chick can do it...

Other...

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[PNWGATOR]

My group got a couple of moose tags this year for BC. I know a couple of guys here have experience using the 223 (73/75 ELDM) for hunting elk and moose.

Just looking for someone who's done it to share their experience with these larger bodied ungulates and any difference to say a 30-06 or 6.5 creedmoor.

There is no drama killing anything with a 77TMK above 1800fps impact velocity. The wound channels are beyond sufficient for anything.

 

[KHntr]

My group got a couple of moose tags this year for BC. I know a couple of guys here have experience using the 223 (73/75 ELDM) for hunting elk and moose.

Just looking for someone who's done it to share their experience with these larger bodied ungulates and any difference to say a 30-06 or 6.5 creedmoor.

I have 3 bull moose in 3 years plus a bull elk. Pics all over rokslide.
Last fall killed one side by side another bull a buddy killed. Mine folded at the shot to an 88 ELD m, his took a triplicate of 168 tsx from a 300wsm.

 

[mt terry d]

I admit I don’t always wear my seat belt and drive over the speed limit too.

I guess one could bad mouth me or call me an outlaw but I would have a hard time abiding by the silly 6mm law in some states. I’ve been using 223/223AI and 22-250AI for 15 years and know the effectiveness of them on whitetail deer. If our law changed I’d keep using them. If I was nervous about it I’d have my barrels marked 6x45 or something else but doubt I’d bother. As an out of state traveler I would I have followed the states caliber laws. I would rather get a ticket at home than out of state.

I’m not saying my way of looking at things is right but I’m not out wounding deer or waisting meat either.

I'll say it.
That's the right way of looking at things.

 

[1000yards]

I know everyone likes to make fun of the mythical bullet repellent properties of the boar shield and scapula joint. While I mostly agree that it's blown way out of proportion, I have killed more than a couple hogs that had been shot before and recovered from their injuries, with lead fragments embedded in the shield and/or scapula joint. This hog in particular was shot by me with a mono, and it's prior injury healed so well that I didn't notice anything was wrong until after it was cooked in a crock pot all day. I wouldn't consider this any sort of data point because it's possible these hogs just took a bullet that had finished going clean through another hog in front of them. I would not argue about this too much, but I also believe in the possibility of a tolerance stack where there's a bigger boar, his hide is caked in mud, he's farther away and more quartering than the shooter thought, the bullet is light for caliber, etc. again I don't hold that belief too strongly, but the pictures speak for themselves.

 

[HairyScandinavian]

I know everyone likes to make fun of the mythical bullet repellent properties of the boar shield and scapula joint. While I mostly agree that it's blown way out of proportion, I have killed more than a couple hogs that had been shot before and recovered from their injuries, with lead fragments embedded in the shield and/or scapula joint. This hog in particular was shot by me with a mono, and it's prior injury healed so well that I didn't notice anything was wrong until after it was cooked in a crock pot all day. I wouldn't consider this any sort of data point because it's possible these hogs just took a bullet that had finished going clean through another hog in front of them. I would not argue about this too much, but I also believe in the possibility of a tolerance stack where there's a bigger boar, his hide is caked in mud, he's farther away and more quartering than the shooter thought, the bullet is light for caliber, etc. again I don't hold that belief too strongly, but the pictures speak for themselves.

We've dug quite a few bullets out of boars in the past. When I was a kid I watched him knock one down with the 7 mag at about 150 yard shot, saw the same boar with a big open soar right on the shoulder two weeks later. I think what you say about their shield thickness plus a caked on layer of dry mud is valid, plus their vitals are a bit differently arranged than a deer so some guys maybe don't hit where they think they should.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Thank you for this response. I hadn’t thought about it this way.

I don’t have a .223 currently but do have a 22 creed. In this case my 22creed would suffice and no need for the 6 creed then? Is there an issue with the velocities I get out of my CM and match bullets? Right night the 77 tmk has a MV of 3080.


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My 20" barrel suppressed 22 Creed shooting 80 ELDXs has a longer "killing range" than both my 243 and 6 Creed shooting 103 ELDX's.

3080 from a 77 TMK at mid DA will have you above 1,800 FPS impact velocity out to around 750 yards.

 

[HandgunHTR]

Just an FYI, SGAmmo is closing out all of its AMMO Inc. ammunition. For those that don't know, AMMO Inc. was purchased by Winchester so that Win could increase its manufacturing capability. AMMO Inc. is going away.

Anyway, they have 200 round cases of the AMMO Inc. Blueline .223 ammo that is loaded with the 64 grain Nosler bonded bullet clearance priced at $149.50. Free shipping on orders over $200.

200 Round Case – 223 Rem 64 Grain Bonded Ammo Incorporated Blueline Ammo – 223064BND-A20 – SGAmmo.com

 

[Bamban]

Last season. 77 TMK 223 bolt gun coming out 2914. It went through both shoulder and bullet remnant lodged on the skin. Range 240 yards, DRT on its shadow.

 

[Masonthor]

DON'T HAVE TIME TO READ 176 PAGES? HERE'S THE CHEAT SHEET.

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“Bullets matter more than headstamps.”

“Spent primers offer the supreme tutorial”.

I’ve read it here and elsewhere online. It got my attention. I started digging and asking questions and listened.

The 77gr TMK delivered by a .223 is where I ended up after many discussions and objective data regarding bullet performance and numerous pics of field results.

Now for the delivery system. Accurate. Repeatable. Reliable. Reasonable weight to afford steady shot placement and the ability to spot my own impacts yet packable. Tikka T3x, vertical grip, Sportsmatch rings, SWFA 6x MQ in mills. Replaced the trigger spring with a yo Dave, adjusted to my liking, then degreased everything and locked all of the screws down with loctite and got started.

The package checks all of the boxes. Plus, it’s FUN! Time at the range is spent learning to call wind, trigger control, spotting your own impacts and figuring out why a shot did or did not end up where you wanted it. No brake. No flinch. Inexpensive to shoot. The fun factor plus the ability to be able to afford to shoot a lot goes a long way to learning and understanding shooting, accuracy and precision.

With all of that said, I’ve decided to use 77 TMK out of a .223 from this delivery system for bear, deer and elk this season.

Opportunity presented itself a couple of days ago. I killed a mature, dry sow with the 77 TMK. Bullet performance exceeded all expectations! The terminal performance is on par with anything I’ve seen in a .284 or .30. Unreal performance. The bullet is a BEAST!

Practice will continue throughout the summer in preparation for the upcoming deer and elk seasons.

Based on my sample of one, the 77 TMK out of a .223 is truly a lethal combination well suited to a dedicated lower 48 big game rifle.

Would love to hear about others experiences with this bullet or similar bulletts!

Nice man

 

[atmat]

Nice man

Lol good post dude. Hope you get access to the classifieds soon.

 

[1000yards]

I have a question for the experts. I shoot a lot of feral hogs mostly with a 30 caliber 130 TTSX with impact velocities at least 2600 fps and up to 3200 fps. What sort of terminal performance difference will I see between that setup and the heavyweight .224 bullets? If I need to be more specific then let's say a .308 130 TTSX and a .224 77tmk both hit a 200 lb hog at 2800 fps, what's the average difference?