.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.

[Q_Sertorius]

Thank you for this response. I hadn’t thought about it this way.

I don’t have a .223 currently but do have a 22 creed. In this case my 22creed would suffice and no need for the 6 creed then? Is there an issue with the velocities I get out of my CM and match bullets? Right night the 77 tmk has a MV of 3080.


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As long as it is legal for deer or elk in your jurisdiction, I would happily use the 22 Creed. I freely confess that I have gone from skeptic to wholehearted convert to the “good bullet in a low-recoiling rifle” during the course of the last three years.

I preach the .243 and 6mm Creed because the .224 caliber cartridges are illegal for deer in Virginia.


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[KHntr]

Thank you for this response. I hadn’t thought about it this way.

I don’t have a .223 currently but do have a 22 creed. In this case my 22creed would suffice and no need for the 6 creed then? Is there an issue with the velocities I get out of my CM and match bullets? Right night the 77 tmk has a MV of 3080.


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I had a 22 creed built around the 88 ELD m after killing a jag of stuff with a 223AI and that bullet. I also bought a 6.5 creed as a donor action for a 6 creed. After shooting the 6.5 I couldn’t justify pulling the barrel based on how it shot. Pretty unlikely that I’m going to live long enough to be able to hunt wooly mammoths so I probably don’t have a need for a 6.5 creed, but I have one now.

I shot a few water jugs with the 88’s at 2780 fps mv and at 3200 fps mv. No difference in penetration, but the faster impact velocity had a bit more damage to the jugs themselves.

I doubt that you would be able to discern any difference in on game performance between a 22 and 6 creed inside 900 yards or so. (Although in the interest of full disclosure I’m a 650 yards and in killer).
About the only reason to go 6 over 22 is legality, if you worry about that. Although I would just have a barrel left unstamped and run a 22.

 

[atmat]

About the only reason to go 6 over 22 is legality, if you worry about that. Although I would just have a barrel left unstamped and run a 22.

Doesn’t federal law require the caliber to be stamped somewhere on a firearm?

Even if not, it’s still illegal to hunt below minimum calibers.

I cant believe people so adamantly defend firearm rights and then advise on breaking laws related to firearms.

 

[KHntr]

I’m Canadian. Different laws.

 

[atmat]

I’m Canadian. Different laws.

Don’t most places in Canada still have minimum caliber restrictions? And would violating those not still constitute a crime?

 

[Schmo]

Don’t most places in Canada still have minimum caliber restrictions? And would violating those not still constitute a crime?

I’m not supporting law breaking, but maybe just leave well enough alone. Let guys make their own decisions.

 

[KHntr]

Don’t most places in Canada still have minimum caliber restrictions? And would violating those not still constitute a crime?

A couple of provinces have 243 cal minimum’s and one has a 270 min I think. No rimfires for big game.

As to whether a 22 cf versus a 243 is a “crime” or not, I prefer to make my own decisions based on my own experiences.

 

[dirtshooter]

BC and AB allow .22 cal centerfires.

 

[Kaleb]

I admit I don’t always wear my seat belt and drive over the speed limit too.

I guess one could bad mouth me or call me an outlaw but I would have a hard time abiding by the silly 6mm law in some states. I’ve been using 223/223AI and 22-250AI for 15 years and know the effectiveness of them on whitetail deer. If our law changed I’d keep using them. If I was nervous about it I’d have my barrels marked 6x45 or something else but doubt I’d bother. As an out of state traveler I would I have followed the states caliber laws. I would rather get a ticket at home than out of state.

I’m not saying my way of looking at things is right but I’m not out wounding deer or waisting meat either.

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

I’ve been checked twice while rifle hunting in WA. Neither time asked about the caliber of my rifle.

 

[cuerro viejo]

I just tried the Bone Frog 77 TMK 5.56 ammo in a Weatherby 307 223 and I blew primers in the first two rounds. Velocity was almost 2900 fps out of a 20 in barrel. Damaged my firing pin though. I will be trying them in my AR 15 5.56, but they are spicy with soft primers. I am getting 2760 ish out my handloaded 77 tmk loads with 23.3 grains of XBR and starline brass.

23” tikka. 15 shot 77 TMK 5.56
Bonefrog- 2832 14/44.7
Last Sunday

I’m guessing your 223 chamber isn’t going to be 5.56 friendly, like the tikka.

 

[nettereo16]

I’ve been checked twice while rifle hunting in WA. Neither time asked about the caliber of my rifle.

We got asked in Colorado elk hunting a couple years ago. Warden was a friendly guy so maybe he was just making small talk or was curious, but glad we didn't have to say 223!

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

My 6 creed barrel should show up end of July...hope I can get it spun on and shooting right by labor day weekend or else my .223 will be identifying as a 6 creed

 

[jikkyo]

My group got a couple of moose tags this year for BC. I know a couple of guys here have experience using the 223 (73/75 ELDM) for hunting elk and moose.

Just looking for someone who's done it to share their experience with these larger bodied ungulates and any difference to say a 30-06 or 6.5 creedmoor.

 

[Harvey_NW]

My group got a couple of moose tags this year for BC. I know a couple of guys here have experience using the 223 (73/75 ELDM) for hunting elk and moose.

Just looking for someone who's done it to share their experience with these larger bodied ungulates and any difference to say a 30-06 or 6.5 creedmoor.

See post #38 - https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/moose-hunt-cartridge-and-bullet.400355/page-2#post-4104683

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

My group got a couple of moose tags this year for BC. I know a couple of guys here have experience using the 223 (73/75 ELDM) for hunting elk and moose.

Just looking for someone who's done it to share their experience with these larger bodied ungulates and any difference to say a 30-06 or 6.5 creedmoor.

A few others in here. Cheat sheet helps.

Post in thread '.223 for bear, mountain goat, deer, elk, and moose.'

Feb 15, 2023

Somebody around Page 140 said "No cheat sheet" but I say "Yes cheat sheet"


Page 1 thru 10: Lot of arguing, couple of pictures. Some urban legend type of stuff, I can see why somebody would abandon thread because it looks like it's going to be another 160 pages of memes and shitposts

Page 10 thru 40 though, it gets interesting with lots of pictures of dead things
Form kill pics
Many pics, pic, pic, pic, Moose scapula, 4 elk

PNWGator:
OP's wife shot a moose
A frigin moose, holy shit
I mean, if a chick can do it...

Other...

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[PNWGATOR]

My group got a couple of moose tags this year for BC. I know a couple of guys here have experience using the 223 (73/75 ELDM) for hunting elk and moose.

Just looking for someone who's done it to share their experience with these larger bodied ungulates and any difference to say a 30-06 or 6.5 creedmoor.

There is no drama killing anything with a 77TMK above 1800fps impact velocity. The wound channels are beyond sufficient for anything.

 

[KHntr]

My group got a couple of moose tags this year for BC. I know a couple of guys here have experience using the 223 (73/75 ELDM) for hunting elk and moose.

Just looking for someone who's done it to share their experience with these larger bodied ungulates and any difference to say a 30-06 or 6.5 creedmoor.

I have 3 bull moose in 3 years plus a bull elk. Pics all over rokslide.
Last fall killed one side by side another bull a buddy killed. Mine folded at the shot to an 88 ELD m, his took a triplicate of 168 tsx from a 300wsm.

 

[mt terry d]

I admit I don’t always wear my seat belt and drive over the speed limit too.

I guess one could bad mouth me or call me an outlaw but I would have a hard time abiding by the silly 6mm law in some states. I’ve been using 223/223AI and 22-250AI for 15 years and know the effectiveness of them on whitetail deer. If our law changed I’d keep using them. If I was nervous about it I’d have my barrels marked 6x45 or something else but doubt I’d bother. As an out of state traveler I would I have followed the states caliber laws. I would rather get a ticket at home than out of state.

I’m not saying my way of looking at things is right but I’m not out wounding deer or waisting meat either.

I'll say it.
That's the right way of looking at things.

 

[1000yards]

I know everyone likes to make fun of the mythical bullet repellent properties of the boar shield and scapula joint. While I mostly agree that it's blown way out of proportion, I have killed more than a couple hogs that had been shot before and recovered from their injuries, with lead fragments embedded in the shield and/or scapula joint. This hog in particular was shot by me with a mono, and it's prior injury healed so well that I didn't notice anything was wrong until after it was cooked in a crock pot all day. I wouldn't consider this any sort of data point because it's possible these hogs just took a bullet that had finished going clean through another hog in front of them. I would not argue about this too much, but I also believe in the possibility of a tolerance stack where there's a bigger boar, his hide is caked in mud, he's farther away and more quartering than the shooter thought, the bullet is light for caliber, etc. again I don't hold that belief too strongly, but the pictures speak for themselves.