.223 for bear, deer, elk and moose.

[Lawnboi]

Quite a bit. They perform well, in the usual Berger manner. That why I tend to slightly prefer ELD’s generally more than Berger’s for hunting.

As in too explosive?

 

[Ryan Avery]

The ELD-M is more explosive than the Berger especially the target Berger’s.


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[Formidilosus]

As in too explosive?

Penetrate 2-6” before nose collapses and rapid fragmentation.

ELD’s begin expansion/fragmentation immediately.

 

[HighUintas]

How about this same bullet out of a 224 Valkyrie?

 

[JMDsir]

How about this same bullet out of a 224 Valkyrie?

I appreciate all that I've learned from this site, and have never posted. Hopefully this will contribute a bit to the thread...
The past few months I've been shooting the 88 grain ELD-M from a bolt action 224 Valkyrie. 20" barrel with 1 in 7 twist. MV 2660.

Limited experience, but so far I have had good results on whitetail deer in Texas. Shot a doe in the crease (slightly higher than anticipated at last light) from 145 yards that ran approximately 60 yards. Very little blood but easy to find.

Next shot was a doe at 430 yards. Wind pushed shot slightly forward, bullet impacted just forward of middle of shoulder. Quarter sized exit on opposite shoulder. Deer ran 15 yards and kicked twice then dead. Not a lot of blood, but enough to follow if I had needed to.

Another doe at 100 or so yards. Quartering away, bullet entered behind shoulder and exited opposite shoulder just forward of center. 25 yard death run downhill with very strong blood trail. See attached pic of exit. Note: Dog was not needed for any of these trails, but he's always with me at the ranch!

On another note, both my boys killed their first bucks this year with a 223! One just turned 6 and the other 8.

 

[roosiebull]

has anyone messed with hammer bullets in the .223 platform?

 

[Cahunter805]

Anyone shooting a 22Creed? Should be able to push some of the heavy 22cal pretty fast.

 

[amassi]

Anyone shooting a 22Creed? Should be able to push some of the heavy 22cal pretty fast.

Yes- not sure if the tmk would enjoy 3500+fps.
I use 88 eld-m around 3300 but just for targets and coyotes. It's pretty explosive on dogs though

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[Cahunter805]

Yes- not sure if the tmk would enjoy 3500+fps.
I use 88 eld-m around 3300 but just for targets and coyotes. It's pretty explosive on dogs though

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Was thinking the 85gr Berger hybrids! What twist rate are you running?

 

[amassi]

Was thinking the 85gr Berger hybrids! What twist rate are you running?

1:7

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[jfs82]

My plan for the next rifle was a 6 creed that would eventually be my boys... but this talk has made me want to build a 22 cm for 77 gr LRXs.

 

[amassi]

My plan for the next rifle was a 6 creed that would eventually be my boys... but this talk has made me want to build a 22 cm for 77 gr LRXs.

I'd stick with the 6mm, better bc if you want to sling lead free barnes

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[Jim1187]

How well does Hornady's 60 grain HP work? I have a pile and they shoot fantastic in every .223 and .22-250 I have loaded them in but have not had anything but crows and woodchucks allow me to try them on. I am going to load some for coyotes and the lack of components, in particular my favorite Speer gold dots, up here got me wondering. In the days before we knew better and had better options the SP version worked pretty reliably on game curious if they compare. I suppose if I have to I can slum a 60 grain partition or 75 grain Scirocco since I have some on hand if supplies don't improve by the time I feel the need to go "stunt shooting" again.

 

[Lawnboi]

22 cal TMK are on sale at midway and in stock. Just grabbed another 500 of the 60s for 16 cents a pop I figure they will make good prairie dog/coyote and range billets.

 

[Blaw]

Well you SOBs talked me into it! Haha!!

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yea me too...Cant hunt big game around here with them tho unless something has changed
pumped for the practice...maybe head shot some small game/coyotes

 

[Formidilosus]

Four elk were killed with 77gr TMK’s from 223’s this year.

1st- 258 yards. Onside shoulder was broken and a near a total loss, less than 5yd traveled after hit-


Offside, significant damage to scapula. Excellent damage to lungs, with 3”+ permanent wound channel through chest-




2nd, 284 yards, onside shoulder with significant damage to meat and scapula, 2”+ permanent wound channels through chest, 50’ish yards traveled-






3rd- 195 yards, onside shoulder, traveled 113yards, lots of blood-



Ribs- you could almost fit your fist through the hole into the chest. Lots of damage with 4”+ permanent wound channel-




4th- 427 yards, onside shoulder was broken, flopped for less than 50 yards and stopped with head down and butt in air, second hit broke spine-


Ribs behind scapula, and around a 1.5” permanent wound channel through the chest-

 

[Formidilosus]

As I’ve stated from the beginning- for me, the 223/77gr TMK combo is completely sufficient for killing quickly and without fuss, any animal in NA save maybe a Bison, to approximately 1,900fps impact speed, which is around 450 yards. From 0-300’ish yards (above 2,200fps impact) wounds are absolutely devastating, and no one has wanted “more”. From about 300 to 450 yards (2,200 to 1,900fps impact) wounds resemble a lot of standard C&C bullets from 308/270/3006/etc.

Penetration will be 18-22” unless major bones are hit, then impact speed comes into play. On deer expect exits unless major bone is hit. On antelopes expect exits on any normal shot. On bear, exits will be about 50/50. On elk, expect bullets to make it through the near side Humerus/scapula, and to the offside ribs.

 

[CorbLand]

Shit. This is really making me second guess getting the 6.5PRC for my wife...may just have to order a .223...shucks.

 

[fightthenoise]

Four elk were killed with 77gr TMK’s from 223’s this year.

1st- 258 yards. Onside shoulder was broken and a near a total loss, less than 5yd traveled after hit-
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Offside, significant damage to scapula. Excellent damage to lungs, with 3”+ permanent wound channel through chest-
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2nd, 284 yards, onside shoulder with significant damage to meat and scapula, 2”+ permanent wound channels through chest, 50’ish yards traveled-
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3rd- 195 yards, onside shoulder, traveled 113yards, lots of blood-
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Ribs- you could almost fit your fist through the hole into the chest. Lots of damage with 4”+ permanent wound channel-
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4th- 427 yards, onside shoulder was broken, flopped for less than 50 yards and stopped with head down and butt in air, second shot broke spine-
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Ribs behind scapula, and around a 1.5” permanent wound channel through the chest-
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Were these bulls or cows?


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[Formidilosus]

Were these bulls or cows?


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Those were cows. Though I haven’t seen anything that says it matters. A bull will have an inch or two more muscle on the forelegs, the scapula and humerus aren’t different enough to matter.