Wyo Task Force - Nonres Comments!

[wapitibob]

If you want to talk about a selfish person ask Buzz how many big game tags he has in Wyo this year. He has somewhere between 7 and 12 tags and that's still not enough! If you add in how many tags his lovely wife has its an ungodly number of tags! Who is being selfish....I'll leave that up to you decide!

Do you realize there are likely hundreds of nr that have 7-12 tags for WY? I've had 6 in one year myself.

edit; just saw this on facechat....

"Well with the second draw coming out in wyoming. My fiance and I have 6 elk tags, 6 antelope tags, and 7 deer tags together."

 

[sneaky]

No, not correct...a slight reduction would be more correct.

There will be NO loss of NR full priced elk tags (7,250 issued per regulation), no loss to region wide NR deer tags, and NR's would still get over 50% of the pronghorn tags in WY under 90-10.

I reckon its all how you define "massive reduction"...me, I wouldn't call it that. I respect the fact you may see it differently.

I compare Wyoming to other States that I apply in...I'm not treated nearly as well as a NR in any of them.

The hell you aren't. You can hunt wilderness areas as a NR in every other state you step foot in. Wyoming's wilderness outfitter welfare law is a complete slap in the face to NR hunters.

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[bayoublaster7527]

The hell you aren't. You can hunt wilderness areas as a NR in every other state you step foot in. Wyoming's wilderness outfitter welfare law is a complete slap in the face to NR hunters.

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No one really cares how NR DIY hunters are treated in WY. Wilderness rule is a great example of that, but WY residents had no say in that apparently. I guess WYOGA are the only ones who vote. Sarcasm.
I’d say CO is a pretty significant western hunting state and they treat NR DIY hunters pretty well but I guess that doesn’t count.

 

[BuzzH]

The hell you aren't. You can hunt wilderness areas as a NR in every other state you step foot in. Wyoming's wilderness outfitter welfare law is a complete slap in the face to NR hunters.

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You can hunt here as a nr in wilderness...just break out the checkbook or maybe try being less of an ass and find a resident that will hunt with you. Judging by your posts I doubt you make many friends. But, I agree the wilderness guide law is bad legislation and needs to go.

 

[N2TRKYS]

Are the NR prices for elk, deer, and antelope increasing?

 

[LostArra]

Are the NR prices for elk, deer, and antelope increasing?

I think that "task" is just assumed to happen any time a Task Force is assembled. That's more of the "low hanging fruit". Who on the Task Force would argue against that?

 

[bayoublaster7527]

You can hunt here as a nr in wilderness...just break out the checkbook or maybe try being less of an ass and find a resident that will hunt with you. Judging by your posts I doubt you make many friends. But, I agree the wilderness guide law is bad legislation and needs to go.

So you agree with sneaky that the wilderness rule is bad but you still felt the need to throw out a personal insult? Got a certified internet tough guy here. WY folks can rest easy that the wilderness rule won’t change as the folks that benefit from it (primarily WY guides and outfitters along with resident hunters to some degree) are the only folks with the realistic ability to change it.

 

[bayoublaster7527]

I think that "task" is just assumed to happen any time a Task Force is assembled. That's more of the "low hanging fruit". Who on the Task Force would argue against that?

Yep. Raising tag prices and reducing opportunity for DIY NR hunters is pretty much a forgone conclusion. Low hanging fruit or a slam dunk/lay up, like shooting fish in barrel, etc.

 

[HONEYBADGER]

No, not correct...a slight reduction would be more correct.

There will be NO loss of NR full priced elk tags (7,250 issued per regulation), no loss to region wide NR deer tags, and NR's would still get over 50% of the pronghorn tags in WY under 90-10.

I reckon its all how you define "massive reduction"...me, I wouldn't call it that. I respect the fact you may see it differently.

I compare Wyoming to other States that I apply in...I'm not treated nearly as well as a NR in any of them.

Lying by omission. Notice he says deer, elk, pronghorn. Sure getting a non-antlered tag for these species will likely not change much but getting an antlered tag certainly will.

 

[BuzzH]

Lying by omission. Notice he says deer, elk, pronghorn. Sure getting a non-antlered tag for these species will likely not change much but getting an antlered tag certainly will.

Explain how NR region wide deer tags (a vast majority of what NR's get) that are valid for antlered deer and NOT being reduced a single tag under 90-10 is going to "change" anything.

Explain how NR's receiving, by regulation 7,250 full priced tags valid for antlered elk, and will not change under 90-10, is going to "change" anything.

Waiting...

 

[Jimss]

Buzz explain to all of us how 90/10 won't take 1/2 of the high demand deer, elk, and antelope limited tags from nonres. These are high demand limited tags that Wyo nonres have been paying high pref pt fees for the past 15ish years while Wyo res have paid $0.00 since res haven't ever had a pref pt system for these species.

 

[4ester]

Buzz explain to all of us how 90/10 won't take 1/2 of the high demand deer, elk, and antelope limited tags from nonres. These are high demand limited tags that Wyo nonres have been paying high pref pt fees for the past 15ish years while Wyo res have paid $0.00 since res haven't ever had a pref pt system for these species.

Still an application fee…… and you have a better chance of hitting those tags then residents do. Relying on a random draw for some areas is like winning the lottery…… some residents watch these animals right off their back porch and may never draw it.

Lots of other states that use the 90/10 ratio…… but when Wyoming does it all the crybabies step forward.


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[wytx]

So jimms if they put those extra high demand tags in our draw and they do not get allocated then they will roll right back into the NR draw as they do now.
If someone has been accumulating PP for 15 years then that is a decision made to not hunt. They could have had many tags in that time frame. If you choose to bank your PP then you made the choice not to hunt.

 

[cgasner1]

So jimms if they put those extra high demand tags in our draw and they do not get allocated then they will roll right back into the NR draw as they do now.
If someone has been accumulating PP for 15 years then that is a decision made to not hunt. They could have had many tags in that time frame. If you choose to bank your PP then you made the choice not to hunt.

Who says the guy is banking then he could be applying and not drawing the unit I’m chasing took 11 points this year and a resident has a 25 percent chance. The tags get cut I got to a 18 year wait while resident draw it every 3-4 years


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[TheTone]

Who says the guy is banking then he could be applying and not drawing the unit I’m chasing took 11 points this year and a resident has a 25 percent chance. The tags get cut I got to a 18 year wait while resident draw it every 3-4 years


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Listening to some residents 25% draw odds are terrible! I saw another complaining how terrible 30% draw odds were

 

[Bighorner]

Banking preference points sounds a lot like being bad as math.

 

[wytx]

You can always apply for another area. I'm just saying someone with 15 , or 11 , PP could have been hunting years ago in a good area.

 

[CoStick]

Will be interesting, WY solicits you to purchase points. They have a separate purchasing window and reach out directly to you. To change the rules would seem like a bait and switch. If there is no impact on draw odds, then why make a change?

 

[cgasner1]

You can always apply for another area. I'm just saying someone with 15 , or 11 , PP could have been hunting years ago in a good area.

As well as the residents


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[Timeless61]

As well as the residents


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What species are you referring to?

In a random draw (resident elk, deer, antelope) a resident has no guarantee. Odds may be technically better in another area, but no guarantee. Non-residents with (x) amount of preference points have essentially a guarantee in that given year/area.