Wyo Task Force - Nonres Comments!

[bayoublaster7527]

Pssh. Give buzz the proper respect he’s not just some Wyoming resident. He’s the BHA Wyoming chair person.

While I am not a BHA member, I do respect what their grassroots members have accomplished for hunters.

We should keep this thread focused on the WY task force. Plenty of other threads on rokslide to bash/applaud BHA.

 

[tdhanses]

I'm the generous type...90-10 seems to be right fair for the rest of the States, no good argument why Wyoming shouldn't be the same.

Yeah hate to see resident prices have to increase to make up for the significant loss of NR tag funds.

 

[Chad E]

Before this thread circles the drain in a Buzz bash fest I want to say I deeply respect his dedication to conservation, the resource, and hunting in general. I often disagree with the way he argues the point or how he's quick to discredit non residents and I will certainly pitch some shit his way but it's pretty undeniable the effort Buzz puts in that in the long run ends up benefiting us all resident or non resident. The reality is opportunity is shrinking while demand grows. The question is how we balance the competing values of the resource and the demand going forward. This pertains to all western states. As is the common phrase these days "This is the new normal".

 

[RyanT26]

While I am not a BHA member, I do respect what their grassroots members have accomplished for hunters.

We should keep this thread focused on the WY task force. Plenty of other threads on rokslide to bash/applaud BHA.

Just clearing it up, he’s not just some guy. That’s all.

 

[amassi]

Pssh. Give buzz the proper respect he’s not just some Wyoming resident. He’s the BHA Wyoming chair person.

Man from reading his prior posts in this thread I assumed this guy was a 17th generation wyomingite


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[BRTreedogs]

Gaw if Wyoming would just get rid of some of them wolves that are eating everything there would be a big game tag for everyone in America.

 

[BuzzH]

I will certainly pitch some shit his way.

I deserve some shit thrown my way, no question.

 

[BuzzH]

So your saying if WY is willing to do the 90/10 BUT they want transferable vouchers you wouldn't support it?

I wont support any transferable landowner tags or outfitter set asides...ever. They could offer me a sheep tag every year...and the answer would still be pound sand.

That was tried a while back by WOGA...that didn't go well for them.

 

[Fatcamp]

Before this thread circles the drain in a Buzz bash fest I want to say I deeply respect his dedication to conservation, the resource, and hunting in general. I often disagree with the way he argues the point or how he's quick to discredit non residents and I will certainly pitch some shit his way but it's pretty undeniable the effort Buzz puts in that in the long run ends up benefiting us all resident or non resident. The reality is opportunity is shrinking while demand grows. The question is how we balance the competing values of the resource and the demand going forward. This pertains to all western states. As is the common phrase these days "This is the new normal".

I for one applaud his narcissistic style of argument. One can only imagine how many people read his comments and assume that this is how people from Wyoming behave. It just has to be helping cut down on new residents, which in the long run helps my property purchase and tag draws.

 

[BuzzH]

I for one applaud his narcissistic style of argument. One can only imagine how many people read his comments and assume that this is how people from Wyoming behave. It just has to be helping cut down on new residents, which in the long run helps my property purchase and tag draws.

I for one, equally applaud your passive aggressive style of "argument"...I have relatives in South Dakota, they all have a spine, which I probably wouldn't have assumed to be the case if all I knew of South Dakota was from your posts.


Carry on...

 

[wapitibob]

Ok buzz. Buzz ok.
But the reality is 71% of Wyoming fishing games budget comes from non-residents and federal aid which is more than likely mostly non-residents.
So by knowing that, I think that it should be a 70/30 split. 70% of the tags go to non-residents 30% of the tag go to residents.



Before buzz or any Wyoming resident shits their pants over that remark, it’s a joke.

NR don't fund 71% of the dept budget, not even close.

 

[RyanT26]

NR don't fund 71% of the dept budget, not even close.

How about you try reading it again

I will save you from having to scroll back.
“But the reality is 71% of Wyoming fishing games budget comes from non-residents and federal aid which is more than likely mostly non-residents.”

 

[RyanT26]

Non-resident tag fees fund 49.2% of Wyoming wildlife and parks budget. You add in all the federal aid from Pittman Robinson and DJ you get to 71%. (There is a match of PR and DJ by the commission, but I really don't care enough to take the time to break it down.)

Look for yourself and see how little resident’s contribute. But sweat equity and all that bs buzz brought up

https://wgfd.wyo.gov/WGFD/media/content/PDF/About%20Us/Commission/WGFD-Revenue-Fact-Sheet_FINAL.pdf

 

[Fatcamp]

I for one, equally applaud your passive aggressive style of "argument"...I have relatives in South Dakota, they all have a spine, which I probably wouldn't have assumed to be the case if all I knew of South Dakota was from your posts.


Carry on...

You are so good at this. Honestly, your debate abilities are pretty incredible.

 

[bowhuntrben]

Thank you for the charts Sebastian...I'm going to present them to the task force on Thursday, as the exact case for going 90-10.

The increase in resident opportunity due to 90-10 is very significant as you pointed out...just in a handful of areas you selected, 140 more Residents per year hunting quality elk units...58 more residents each year hunting great deer tags.

Over the course of a 10 year stretch...just in the small number of elk areas you selected 1,400 Residents...many of them youth hunters, older hunters, new hunters, families, and serious trophy hunters getting to hunt quality areas.

Same thing with deer...from just 6 areas over a 10 year period 580 additional residents getting a chance to hunt the best Wyoming has to offer.

That's significant to the Residents that live here...and that will be the message the task force gets on Thursday....

This.

I don’t understand the argument of “small impact to residents but big impact to nonresidents”.
You can’t just look at percentages and make that statement. Look at the numbers like Buzz is doing. XX fewer nonresidents = XX more residents. The change will be a big impact to those residents that are able to draw a tag due to this change. Residents don’t have the “advantage “ of preference points, so they are never guaranteed of drawing a tag no matter how long they wait. Increasing numbers of tags available for them can have a bigger impact than the percentages show.

As for “Big 5”, the odds are crap no matter what state you’re looking at. Nothing wrong with residents wanting better crappy odds. If you want to do one of these hunts, you’re better off starting to save cash rather than points. It doesn’t seem right that in a state like CO it’s easier for a NR to get a cow moose tag than a R. It’s understandable for states to want to protect residents opportunities.

 

[Wags]

I wont support any transferable landowner tags or outfitter set asides...ever. They could offer me a sheep tag every year...and the answer would still be pound sand.

That was tried a while back by WOGA...that didn't go well for them.

I respect that, I wish CO didn't have that system either, but what's done is done there. One of my fears in this change is it will open that door in WY. While you may not support it, there are numerous people who may & it'll definitely change the opportunity numbers Residents. Time will tell on that aspect I guess.

 

[realunlucky]

This.

I don’t understand the argument of “small impact to residents but big impact to nonresidents”.
You can’t just look at percentages and make that statement. Look at the numbers like Buzz is doing. XX fewer nonresidents = XX more residents. The change will be a big impact to those residents that are able to draw a tag due to this change. Residents don’t have the “advantage “ of preference points, so they are never guaranteed of drawing a tag no matter how long they wait. Increasing numbers of tags available for them can have a bigger impact than the percentages show.

As for “Big 5”, the odds are crap no matter what state you’re looking at. Nothing wrong with residents wanting better crappy odds. If you want to do one of these hunts, you’re better off starting to save cash rather than points. It doesn’t seem right that in a state like CO it’s easier for a NR to get a cow moose tag than a R. It’s understandable for states to want to protect residents opportunities.

Yeah residents could have the "advantage" of points if they do choose, luckily the majority still sees them for what they are a road to future hunts and prefer random draw.

Colorado cow moose is simply a matter of tag fees. If you raised the resident fee to non resident cost odds would go up tremendously.

 

[cgasner1]

Funny how this thread went from hey guys you should send a email about how you feel about this to it turning into a your non residents don’t have a right I’d assume most people on here have read thru the other 90-10 split and have made a opinion already


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[Jimss]

Wyo res biggest complaint is they can't draw high demand limited tags! Some res may not like the idea of a waiting period because they wouldn't be able to draw limited in units that have great draw odds every year and they would have to sit out several years once they draw liminted tags.

One solution to this would be to have a waiting period for "premium limited units" for deer, elk, and antelope that are the toughest tags in Wyo to draw. A baseline of 10 or 20% draw odds could be set and all units that are tougher than that to draw would have waiting periods.

Wyo res would then still have the opportunity to apply for tougher draw "premium units" with waiting periods or they could select regular units that wouldn't have waiting periods in place.

A waiting period for "premium units" would provide residents WAY better draw odds than the few tags/unit with 90/10. I can pretty much guarantee that "Premium high demand units" are going to become tougher and tougher to draw as more nonres move to Wyo! This may be a simple solution without going to a pref/bonus pt system or robbing nonres of 1/2 of their limited tag opportunity.

Plain and simple 90/10 only SLIGHTLY increases a Wyo res chance of drawing deer, elk, and antelope tags, cuts nonres opportunity in 1/2, and is a horrible idea for outfitters and WG&F revenue!

 

[Jimss]