What Do You Utahns Think Of Senator MIKE LEE And His PUBLIC Land Sale Bill?

Mike Lee is a phony. About as disingenuous as they come. All he is about is getting a big fat pay check after selling out his constituents and the nation. He was planning on personal gain and benefit using his bill for his good ole boy cronies . Letting off the state of Montana from his bill….. you can’t make this sh** up. “Mike Lee “typical politician thinks he’s the smart one in the room, thinking all of his constituents are stupid . Get rid of him.
 
realunlucky said:
Ok I'm interested in seeing your facts or are you just your running your mouth?

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27 posts so far on this thread. How many of these 27 posts are discussing the actual “public land bill sale”? How many posts are just political? This is not heading in the right direction.
 
Maverick1 said:
27 posts so far on this thread. How many of these 27 posts are discussing the actual “public land bill sale”? How many posts are just political? This is not heading in the right direction.
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The two are directly connected, a politician from Utah proposed this in the "big beautiful bill" you cannot discuss one without the other. Either you want to discuss conservation or you don't. No one is attacking anyone, I just posted the "facts" requested by a moderator. Stop trying to censor real discussion.
 
COelk89 said:
www.sltrib.com

Latter-day Saints are overrepresented in Utah’s Legislature, holding 9 of every 10 seats

LDS dominance may be the most important factor in determining political outcomes in Utah's Legislature. Latter-day Saints hold nine of every 10 seats, while making up 60% of the population.
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I guess I misunderstood your point as I thought it would relate to the land sell issue.

It is disingenuous to say the LDS church is directly influencing WHO is elected.

Posting an article saying utah state lawmakers are largely composed of said church members is a different discussion as that indicates both sides of the aisle. Being under represented has a lot to do with getting those people to vote.

Don't lose focus on what the issue is by raging on about what you don't like about utah politics.

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realunlucky said:
Ok I'm interested in seeing your facts or are you just your running your mouth?

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While the church doesn’t have a position, the teachings filter down to people. That’s perfectly reasonable. Unfortunately data via exit polls is very sparse, but given the results of Fox polls (Here) for the 2020 presidential race and the 2024 presidential and senate races in Utah, it suggests that 52% of the vote was from people who identified as Mormons. In each of those races, over 70% of the self-identified Mormons voted for a Republican candidate. Unfortunately I cannot find data from another polling source so it may be right biased. But using that data, Mike Lee won his senate race in 2022 by securing ~53% of the vote. Using those numbers, let’s say 50% of the race was Mormon voters and 70% of them voted for Lee. That gives us 35% of the total vote for Lee. Now to get to the number he had, he had to gain a total of 18% which would amount to 36% of the overall vote of non-Mormons. So essentially, even if 70% of the non-Mormon voters voted against Lee, he would have still ended up at 50%. But again that poll is likely biased to the right so the numbers are definitely plus or minus. Nothing wrong with people voting how they want to vote. The exit polls and friends in Utah have given me some inkling as to that being the case.

I agree that my comment is too political. Regardless, I hope Utah tosses this guy for this. Hopefully they don’t forget.
 
realunlucky said:
I guess I misunderstood your point as I thought it would relate to the land sell issue.

It is disingenuous to say the LDS church is directly influencing WHO is elected.

Posting an article saying utah state lawmakers are largely composed of said church members is a different discussion as that indicates both sides of the aisle. Being under represented has a lot to do with getting those people to vote.

Don't lose focus on what the issue is by raging on about what you don't like about utah politics.

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I hear you. To be clear, I hate the statewide politics of my state of residence, CO; and the state I was born and raised TX. Monolithic election results is a national problem as a result of gerrymandering and as you point out a lack of voter participation; not just Utah.
 
Never had to deal with being worried about my Senators luckily. But when they are already on your side you feel kind of helpless on moving the needle. Pushed my Utah buddies to call.

Even some of my fairly apolitical friends were pissed and activated. Already calling and signing petitions before I asked. The ones that are too far gone, “own the libs” types are just playing devils advocate and like the introduced chaos to our government. I think for them as long as Mike Lee trolls the libs and props up MAGA he has their vote. Regardless of irl affects.
 
elkhunter505 said:
While the church doesn’t have a position, the teachings filter down to people. That’s perfectly reasonable. Unfortunately data via exit polls is very sparse, but given the results of Fox polls (Here) for the 2020 presidential race and the 2024 presidential and senate races in Utah, it suggests that 52% of the vote was from people who identified as Mormons. In each of those races, over 70% of the self-identified Mormons voted for a Republican candidate. Unfortunately I cannot find data from another polling source so it may be right biased. But using that data, Mike Lee won his senate race in 2022 by securing ~53% of the vote. Using those numbers, let’s say 50% of the race was Mormon voters and 70% of them voted for Lee. That gives us 35% of the total vote for Lee. Now to get to the number he had, he had to gain a total of 18% which would amount to 36% of the overall vote of non-Mormons. So essentially, even if 70% of the non-Mormon voters voted against Lee, he would have still ended up at 50%. But again that poll is likely biased to the right so the numbers are definitely plus or minus. Nothing wrong with people voting how they want to vote. The exit polls and friends in Utah have given me some inkling as to that being the case.

I agree that my comment is too political. Regardless, I hope Utah tosses this guy for this. Hopefully they don’t forget.
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Kind of like NM politics being affected by Popesters.

But I digress. This thread isn't about NM or its politics.

Back on topic....
 
Well, I am from Utah and I can attempt to answer some of this.

1. Familiarize yourself with the Sage Brush Rebellion. Its not just Lee that supports this. Its a pretty commonly held belief here, especially the further south and west one goes in this state.

2. Utah was founded by a group of people that were being persecuted and running from the Federal government. There is still a lot of animosity held. The US was founded by rebels, the west is the rebels of the rebels and Utah is the rebels cubed.

The political system in the US has broken down to a level that forces one to vote one way.

Even look at the Big Beautiful Bill as a whole. There is some really good stuff in there and some really bad stuff. We fight to amend and remove the bad stuff but its no different than voting for a politician.

I love public lands. I will fight for them BUT I also really like the ability to tell Mike Lee he can go **** himself, I hate paying taxes and I love the ability to type this from a State owned building with a concealed carry on my hip. Those three things are not something that the other party really supports.

Why does Mike Lee keep getting voted in? Well, there isnt a lot of choices to be honest. We no longer share the same beliefs on the fundamentals that this country was founded on. You are basically forced to vote one way just to preserve your basic rights. That is why he gets elected.
 
COelk89 said:
As long as Mike Lee is in with the LDS crowd, they will continue to vote for him I am afraid...
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Absolutely not true. I’m a member and all of my hunting buddies are. Every single one of us would vote Democrat if that’s what it’d take to get him out of office. We’re all very conservative but when it comes to keeping public land public we all agree it’s our number one priority.
 
CorbLand said:
Well, I am from Utah and I can attempt to answer some of this.

1. Familiarize yourself with the Sage Brush Rebellion. Its not just Lee that supports this. Its a pretty commonly held belief here, especially the further south and west one goes in this state.

2. Utah was founded by a group of people that were being persecuted and running from the Federal government. There is still a lot of animosity held. The US was founded by rebels, the west is the rebels of the rebels and Utah is the rebels cubed.

The political system in the US has broken down to a level that forces one to vote one way.

Even look at the Big Beautiful Bill as a whole. There is some really good stuff in there and some really bad stuff. We fight to amend and remove the bad stuff but its no different than voting for a politician.

I love public lands. I will fight for them BUT I also really like the ability to tell Mike Lee he can go **** himself, I hate paying taxes and I love the ability to type this from a State owned building with a concealed carry on my hip. Those three things are not something that the other party really supports.

Why does Mike Lee keep getting voted in? Well, there isnt a lot of choices to be honest. We no longer share the same beliefs on the fundamentals that this country was founded on. You are basically forced to vote one way just to preserve your basic rights. That is why he gets elected.
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This is all true but luckily the sage brush rebellion age is dying out and the newer generation of members definitely prioritize public lands.
 
CorbLand said:
Well, I am from Utah and I can attempt to answer some of this.

1. Familiarize yourself with the Sage Brush Rebellion. Its not just Lee that supports this. Its a pretty commonly held belief here, especially the further south and west one goes in this state.

2. Utah was founded by a group of people that were being persecuted and running from the Federal government. There is still a lot of animosity held. The US was founded by rebels, the west is the rebels of the rebels and Utah is the rebels cubed.

The political system in the US has broken down to a level that forces one to vote one way.

Even look at the Big Beautiful Bill as a whole. There is some really good stuff in there and some really bad stuff. We fight to amend and remove the bad stuff but its no different than voting for a politician.

I love public lands. I will fight for them BUT I also really like the ability to tell Mike Lee he can go **** himself, I hate paying taxes and I love the ability to type this from a State owned building with a concealed carry on my hip. Those three things are not something that the other party really supports.

Why does Mike Lee keep getting voted in? Well, there isnt a lot of choices to be honest. We no longer share the same beliefs on the fundamentals that this country was founded on. You are basically forced to vote one way just to preserve your basic rights. That is why he gets elected.
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While I agree with you on the concealed weapon the state owned building and first amendment part kind of loses me? It’s interesting, I feel like, as someone not on your political side of the spectrum, that speaking out against certain republican politicians carries more potential risk of retribution than speaking out against a democratic politician. Seems like going after dissent aggressively is a hallmark of this administration, while also paving the way for allies and donors who have broken the law. I also work in a state building with a strong state government and am in a blue state. So I don’t see that argument too clearly.
 
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