TRT Anyone?

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I certainly do not feel like crap but that is no accident.

Hope it all works out for you.

 

[Idaho4x4Bronco]

I am A medical doctor, so my background is multi factorial. I also happen to know the owner of Low-T centers is not even medically trained but simply a business person who knows guys want to feel better.
i also know pcp docs are looking for a reason to make money, and low t is a easy way to make money in the sense it requires appts and insurance can pay. Payments have gone down across the board for medical doctors and a lot of docs look for ways to increase revenue. There are many business models proposed to docs that have no bearing on patient care that are simply to make money. Not saying all docs do this kind of stuff, but i know some in every specialty.
there are plenty of studies on both side of the argument regarding supplemental hormone replacement so you can find any study to support your side of the argument. But, i have the “inside the industry”knowledge to know some things are done to just make money and very rarely is testosterone replacement a requirement....

do any of you wonder why this has suddenly become the thing to do? Compare testosterone replacement in people below 70yo before and after obamacare, night and day difference. Follow the money. It isnt because the medical profession suddenly became aware of testosterone replacement.

As the person who started this thread, please leave this thread and don't comment here.

 

[BRTreedogs]

I certainly do not feel like crap but that is no accident.

Hope it all works out for you.

You're also old enough you were raised on real food. And thats You're habits.
Id say anyone born from about 75 to 90 was raised in the convenience food era, my mom didn't know it was bad for me, she was just trying to survive.
But it sure build a heck of alot of bad habits. Yeah I know all that crud is bad not. But convenience is ingrained in my sole.
Then throw on super high cortisol levels from military and work.
Well now I'm to the point I have to talk myself into putting on real pants everyday.

Yeah I definitely should be mentally tough enough to just force myself there. And I did for a few yrs. But I just can't grab another gear anymore and I feel like I'm missing out.

I fully expect to die of heart disease before 65 so I need to get to living the years I got.

Yeah I know it just a big ole cry baby post.

Just looking fornsome help with some more modern science.

 

[big44a4]

.7 ml of testosterone cypionate

Idk I'm normally not a ball of fire but not normally this sleepy.
He told me over 300 test, insurance would not cover.
But they only use a single compounding pharmacy and won't send a script to my pharmacy.
Idk I'm sure I'm freaking out about nothing. But something seems wierd. I probably won't take any more and just wasted $300
I can't keep that price tag up monthly.

As mentioned price out of pocket most people pay is ball park $120-150 a month at 1mL per week injections in addition to full trt regimen not just testosterone. Not saying it doesn’t have that effect you as you can only decide that.

 

[big44a4]

65 in a few months and I do not take and never have taken any supp T. There are a lot of things you should do before that imo.....diet should be as close to 100% good, body fat% should be low, strength training and aerobic capacity training should be good....then lean muscle mass would be up.....intermittent fasting is worth a try while your doing that other stuff.....

the e-z way is not always the best way.

Agreed but it’s not so simple. I was in better shape than anyone on here and had low T. Here’s a picture of my friend I coached with his diet…he was right at 300 for total testosterone with free being at bottom end of spectrum as well. Too many factors to say what caused it but lack of diet and exercise is not one of them.

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^ that guy is ripped. I still say that certain foods and certain strength exercises can help a great deal with T and feeling good. I guess it is a complicated subject.

 

[Idaho4x4Bronco]

^ that guy is ripped. I still say that certain foods and certain strength exercises can help a great deal with T and feeling good. I guess it is a complicated subject.

Honestly it's a weird one. I was tested at 25 when I was a gym rat eating VERY clean, weighing food, taking very high quality supplements and doing things right, and still had low T, it just wasn't low enough for my dr (who I have since learned from locals here is a complete quack) to prescribe anything.

Now at 30, I have to force myself to get out of bed. I have zero sex drive and worse issues in that department, I have zero energy to hunt or hike anymore, I can BARELY stay awake driving to work, bad brain fog, emotional issues which was a rare thing for me, I feel very weak all the time and get exhausted very quickly at the gym.

I still lift weights, but my workouts are piss poor at best, in my peak youth years I had relationship issues because of it, the list goes on.

I used to believe it was just eat great foods and work out hard, live healthy, you'll be fine, but I think some people just have shitty genetics and not the best luck. I figure at 30 knowing my the last 5-6 years of life was awful, I might live to be 75 or so in today's crazy world and I want to start living a good life.

 

[mmw194287]

I used to believe it was just eat great foods and work out hard, live healthy, you'll be fine, but I think some people just have shitty genetics and not the best luck

I'm sure there are some people for whom TRT is a bad idea and may have negative consequences, but we're all different and the same inputs don't always result in the same outputs (re: diet and exercise, etc.). As an extreme example, I had a tumor that destroyed my pituitary glad, and now I'm on a full hormone replacement regimen. I have to imagine that there are lots of men out there who might not have 0% function like me, but who also don't have a 100% healthy or fixable system.

Now at 30, I have to force myself to get out of bed. I have zero sex drive and worse issues in that department, I have zero energy to hunt or hike anymore, I can BARELY stay awake driving to work, bad brain fog, emotional issues which was a rare thing for me, I feel very weak all the time and get exhausted very quickly at the gym.

I still lift weights, but my workouts are piss poor at best, in my peak youth years I had relationship issues because of it, the list goes on.

I tested in the mid 100s shortly after everything went bad, and prior to that you could never have convinced me how severely low T could affect someone. It is hell. Replacement from my MD only gets me into the accepted range, so I typically test in the high 300s and I feel the effects of it every single day.

Quality of life is serious. If you feel like things aren't getting better despite your best efforts, keep pursuing all your options. Good luck.

 

[Idaho4x4Bronco]

I'm sure there are some people for whom TRT is a bad idea and may have negative consequences, but we're all different and the same inputs don't always result in the same outputs (re: diet and exercise, etc.). As an extreme example, I had a tumor that destroyed my pituitary glad, and now I'm on a full hormone replacement regimen. I have to imagine that there are lots of men out there who might not have 0% function like me, but who also don't have a 100% healthy or fixable system.


I tested in the mid 100s shortly after everything went bad, and prior to that you could never have convinced me how severely low T could affect someone. It is hell. Replacement from my MD only gets me into the accepted range, so I typically test in the high 300s and I feel the effects of it every single day.

Quality of life is serious. If you feel like things aren't getting better despite your best efforts, keep pursuing all your options. Good luck.

How do they test the gland? Been seeing that pop up in multiple topics as I research TRT

 

[mmw194287]

I had surgery and they removed the whole thing (it was mostly dead tissue because the tumor ruptured and bled out).

Caveat: I’m not a doctor. A red flag for a pituitary issue would be if you have, for example, low thyroid hormone and while also having low TSH, which the pituitary produces in order to raise thyroid hormone levels. If you have a healthy pituitary and low thyroid, you’d have higher levels of TSH. Those types of abnormalities suggest that there’s something not working correctly in the whole feedback loop, and that it not occurring in the thyroid gland itself. Also, if you are deficient in several different hormones that are all linked to the pituitary (ie, low T, low thyroid, low cortisol, low GH, etc).

 

[Idaho4x4Bronco]

Oh okay. Thanks for the explanation.

 

[Marble]

Many people feel it well before 4-6 weeks. The energy I felt at starting dose of 200mg a week was INSANE the first 2 weeks. I couldn’t sleep at night and would hit the ground full speed at 5am no issues needing any caffeine etc. It was just miserable trying to sleep. Talked to doctor and they cut me back. Ended up at 160mg. As I said now it’s normal so sure I could maybe go back to 200mg and wouldn’t feel that jolt again, but everything is good so why mess with it.

I normally give myself 3/4 of an ML every Friday. That dose keeps my numbers right in the mid 500s. But during elk season, I'll do a full ML and the difference is dramatic. Even more endurance and strength. I know it is slow acting, and slow to absorb, but after 7 years of injections, just that extra amount really makes a difference.

I dont use that much each week because a full ML makes me jittery if i am just doing regular activities at home. But the extreme excursion while climbing mountains and packing weight is much easier.

I do have an elevated amount of red blood cells, but it's within normal, always has been. I'll give blood if needed but I doubt I will ever have to.

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[Marble]

I had a consultation yesterday.
I'm horrible with medical stuff so bear w me.
Test was 397
Free 8.29
%free was 2.9
Vitamin d was low so he prescribed that.
And some other pill.
And said something about a product that would help if I wanted to come back off.
Said my insurance won't pay because I'm over 300.
So I agreed to pay out of pocket.
They gave me a .7 shot
But its $299 every time I re order every 5-6 weeks.
And I fee like even worse shit now.
Honestly I'm regretting it so far. I'm out a bunch of money and don't think I'm gonna use any more of what I payed for.

That's way too expensive. I pay about $6 weekly for everything.

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[Marble]

You all are aware there are side effect with testosterone supplementation don’t you?
Testosterone is like fuel to the prostate, and there is a risk of sudden cardiac death with this stuff.
not trying to discount the effects some of you have had, but seems this thread has been all roses and no thorns.
be careful and know what you are putting in your body!

I just had a consult with an endocrinologist concerning my current cancer and the T supplementation last week. Neither are related to each other. She said she was not worried at all about the heart issues and the prostate comment is true but fairly interesting.

People do see an increase in prostate cancer from TRT. But, the cancer is a unique slow growing cancer and that she said was easy to address and find early with routine testing. She didn't seem to think it was a big deal.

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[DLP]

I have been on try for 4 years. My levels when I got tested were at about 175. I self inject 1ml/200mg once a week and that seems to keep my levels around 750-900. I haven’t had any negative affects from it except for increased body hair.

 

[Wags]

I get the pellet implants, man, what a game changer. It was like someone turned the lights on and the fog cleared. It definitely improved my cognitive ability, sleep and mood. I pay for it out of pocket & it's worth every penny.

 

[BRTreedogs]

Do you guys normally get injection site pain.
I may be from rolling around putting a fuel tank in the truck.
Or maybe my body will get more used to it.

 

[Idaho4x4Bronco]

I have been on try for 4 years. My levels when I got tested were at about 175. I self inject 1ml/200mg once a week and that seems to keep my levels around 750-900. I haven’t had any negative affects from it except for increased body hair.

Did they put you on HCG or growth hormone as well? 900 is pretty high, that must feel great.

 

[Idaho4x4Bronco]

Do you guys normally get injection site pain.
I may be from rolling around putting a fuel tank in the truck.
Or maybe my body will get more used to it.

I used to get it real bad and extremely sore for 30-45 mins when I did PEDs, I think if you inject slowly and massage it afterwards, it's not as bad. It's normal though from my experience.

 

[BRTreedogs]

I used to get it real bad and extremely sore for 30-45 mins when I did PEDs, I think if you inject slowly and massage it afterwards, it's not as bad. It's normal though from my experience.

I'm still tender after 4 days