The resident short game. Long term consequences?

[BuzzH]

Keep trying. And maybe actually get your facts straight next post? Kind of like earlier in the thread? Still never showed that this thread is about increasing non res opportunity in the OP. I'm waiting.

Does your state greatly favor its residents hunters?

I'll answer for you since you're afraid to.

Yes, and I have ZERO issue with that.

What I never have understood is why you seem to have such a huge issue with other states doing the same.

Unlike what your state does to favor its residents in regard to sheep and moose, I don't want to see zero NR opportunity for sheep and moose in Wyoming. In fact, I don't want to see them lower than 10%.

That said, I hold no contempt for your state to keep all its sheep and moose permits for residents.

Not sure why you hold contempt for mine when we've given NR hunters thousands of tags for our moose and sheep over the years...and still are giving NR opportunities now, with severely lower numbers of total available permits.

What I am thankful for is ANY nr opportunities a state wants to offer. Even if they don't allow me to hunt ducks the first week of the season, keep me off PLOTS land, or exclude me from their sheep and moose draws, or if a state wants to limit me to 10% (or less) of their tags, or charge me more.

I'm not the type of house guest that would be invited to a friends house for a steak dinner...then complain about the cut and how its cooked. In particular if I ever wanted to be invited back.

 

[tdhanses]

I am shocked you couldn't point out in the OP where I was talking about increased non res opportunity. Shocked I tell you shocked!

Because he is the king of deflection and probably hasn’t even read it.

 

[dirtytough]

Does your state greatly favor its residents hunters?

I'll answer for you since you're afraid to.

Yes, and I have ZERO issue with that.

What I never have understood is why you seem to have such a huge issue with other states doing the same.

Unlike what your state does to favor its residents in regard to sheep and moose, I don't want to see zero NR opportunity for sheep and moose in Wyoming. In fact, I don't want to see them lower than 10%.

That said, I hold no contempt for your state to keep all its sheep and moose permits for residents.

Not sure why you hold contempt for mine when we've given NR hunters thousands of tags for our moose and sheep over the years...and still are giving NR opportunities now, with severely lower numbers of total available permits.

What I am thankful for is ANY nr opportunities a state wants to offer. Even if they don't allow me to hunt ducks the first week of the season, keep me off PLOTS land, or exclude me from their sheep and moose draws, or if a state wants to limit me to 10% (or less) of their tags, or charge me more.

I'm not the type of house guest that would be invited to a friends house for a steak dinner...then complain about the cut and how its cooked. In particular if I ever wanted to be invited back.

Usually when someone posts untruths like you posted again in a thread you call them a liar. I won't stoop that low.

Here's my take on buzz's posts so far in this thread.

Zero to do with OP
Zero to do with OP
Zero to do with OP
Zero to do with OP
Zero to do with OP
Incorrect info but actually strengthens what I typed in the OP.
Incorrect info but actually strengthens what I typed in the OP.

I might be off a post or two because I'm not going to look back through and count. He is trying to point out that ND residents have way more opportunity than non res. Which is true. He is wrong about what those are though. That is the entire point of this thread. Non res are losing opportunity all across the west.

I'm just going to quote myself again. Buzz won't read it but most will.

If you are a non res to the western states I would try to get what you can as soon as possible or move. The future isn’t looking bright for non res hunting. If you are a resident of a western state I hope you like company, higher cost of living, and loss of habitat. Because you are bringing it upon yourselves.

PS buzz. You have doubled down on untruths twice in this thread. The first time about the OP wanting increased non res opportunity. The second time about ND. That's bad even for you. I expect better from you.

 

[BuzzH]

Usually when someone posts untruths like you posted again in a thread you call them a liar. I won't stoop that low.

Here's my take on buzz's posts so far in this thread.

Zero to do with OP
Zero to do with OP
Zero to do with OP
Zero to do with OP
Zero to do with OP
Incorrect info but actually strengthens what I typed in the OP.
Incorrect info but actually strengthens what I typed in the OP.

I might be off a post or two because I'm not going to look back through and count. He is trying to point out that ND residents have way more opportunity than non res. Which is true. He is wrong about what those are though. That is the entire point of this thread. Non res are losing opportunity all across the west.

I'm just going to quote myself again. Buzz won't read it but most will.


PS buzz. You have doubled down on untruths twice in this thread. The first time about the OP wanting increased non res opportunity. The second time about ND. That's bad even for you. I expect better from you.

Point out where I'm wrong about ND...is it that a NR that owns PLOTS land can actually hunt their own land if its enrolled?

You got me.

If you don't want increased NR opportunity then a few things:

1. You have nothing to complain about when a state favors its residents.
2. There is no good reason for any State to offer any more NR opportunity.
3. You must be content with current NR opportunities.

Great, no reason for further discussion...get to hunting, its more productive. I hunt 4-6 states a year, and have for a couple decades. Sad part is, I leave opportunity on the table on states I can hunt yearly, unhunted.

I have no complaints as a NR regarding opportunity in other states.

 

[Squincher]

I expect better from you.

Your expectations are unrealistic.

 

[robby denning]

I’m super late to this party but I did want to agree with the OP that my opinion is the decreased nonresident participations will show up in lack of support to these conservation organizations.

I don’t know how much it will impact them but personally I’ve talked to about three people that don’t want to donate to some of the bigger orgs because of what’s happening to non-residents the last year.

HSUS and Sierra Club seem to have unlimited potential for support while ours could be waning

IMO


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[BuzzH]

I’m super late to this party but I did want to agree with the OP that my opinion is the decreased nonresident participations will show up in lack of support to these conservation organizations.

I don’t know how much it will impact them but personally I’ve talked to about three people that don’t want to donate to some of the bigger orgs because of what’s happening to non-residents the last year.

HSUS and Sierra Club seem to have unlimited potential for support while ours could be waning

IMO


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Was attendance down at the Reno Sheep show?

Honest question.

 

[robby denning]

Was attendance down at the Reno Sheep show?

Honest question.

I don’t know. I wasn’t there.

And like I said, this is just IMO.

I think it’ll be a while before we see an effect if there is one.

And not sure sheep versus more casual pursuits like deer elk and pronghorn would be affected the same. Most people have accepted that sheep is rare for NR.


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[BuzzH]

I don’t know. I wasn’t there.

And like I said, this is just IMO.

I think it’ll be a while before we see an effect if there is one.

And not sure sheep versus more casual pursuits like deer elk and pronghorn would be affected the same. Most people have accepted that sheep is rare for NR.


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When is the RMEF elk camp? Impacts could be felt there, although Wyoming didn't decrease NR allocations for elk, so maybe elk and the RMEF will be around a few more years. Who knows.

Seems like the fate of hunting in the United States all hinges on Wyoming.

 

[Trap]

It's funny......I was born and raised in CO, but WY was as close to a second home as I've had while growing up. As much time as we spent in WY, we were always surprised why my dad never bought a second home there. He wasn't a hunter but was a phenomenal fly fisherman. He made me a fly fisherman, but I was born a hunter. I could barely wait to start big game hunting in CO when I was 15, the legal minimum age back then.

I remember years later when WY started their points game. I could have easily started collecting points there, and Lord knows I could have had access to a lot of private land even. But I never saw the need to apply in WY........why would I? I was always too busy hunting CO every year. To this day, I still have never applied for or even bought a WY hunting license or point. And yet, it seems as though EVERYONE is trying to get those tags now. What am I missing?

You simply need to get Huntn fool, epic outdoors and go hunt. Watch a few more of these social media dinks I mean hunting influencers. You will have the fear of missing out immediately and will be applying in Wyoming and 6-8 states the next year everyone needs to chill out and just hunt what’s available to them close by. They have a nation of hunters all putting in for way more states than they could ever hunt but I gotta get my points!! We broke the draw system it will only get worse unless people start rationally put in for hunts or just hunt the opportunities where they live. The grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence. It’s not anymore. Getting pissed at states for making proper management decisions is ridiculous hunters did this to themselves

 

[260madman]

Western hunters are decades behind when it comes to hunting drama.

Blind burnings…shooting at “low birds” and hitting other hunters…sinking boats…dog killing.

That’s not even touching the use of imminent domain type pressure to “buy” land wanted by rich guys for their duck clubs…or how certain duck clubs ended up INSIDE closed wildlife refuges…or state funded water control projects…that were built to flood woods for politically connected folks.

I mean…it’s not like the head of game and fish owns a big name club…cough.

What’s old is new again.

WI residents were shooting people at fishing docks and boat landings in the 80s over spear fishing.

Your move duck hunters.

Seriously don’t do this.

 

[BuzzH]

You simply need to get Huntn fool, epic outdoors and go hunt. Watch a few more of these social media dinks I mean hunting influencers. You will have the fear of missing out immediately and will be applying in Wyoming and 6-8 states the next year everyone needs to chill out and just hunt what’s available to them close by. They have a nation of hunters all putting in for way more states than they could ever hunt but I gotta get my points!! We broke the draw system it will only get worse unless people start rationally put in for hunts or just hunt the opportunities where they live. The grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence. It’s not anymore. Getting pissed at states for making proper management decisions is ridiculous hunters did this to themselves

Yes, absolutely this^^^^

Concentrate on what you can hunt and you won't have time to worry about much of anything else.

 

[robby denning]

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Seems like the fate of hunting in the United States all hinges on Wyoming.

Seriously though, I think it started with Idaho last year because they did make it harder for NRS to get deer/elk tags. Although the same number of tags are out there, a lot of guys are not getting their unit

But I’m all good if we wanna blame Wyoming


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[BuzzH]

Seriously though, I think it started with Idaho last year because they did make it harder for NRS to get deer/elk tags. Although the same number of tags are out there, a lot of guys are not getting their unit

But I’m all good if we wanna blame Wyoming


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I don't think any state is to blame for taking care of its residents.

YMMV....

 

[Super tag]

Changing who gets the tag will not impact herd size.

Using that to push for more to residents is insane.

I’m not sure if your reading or comprehending…..

of course changing who gets the tag won’t affect the herd size.

for the third time, THE TAGS ARE LIMITED !!!

 

[Moserkr]

Since we dont have a dedicated hunting meme page here and our country technically has much bigger issues than residents wanting a few more tags... Im just gonna leave this here. Hunting in general is facing extinction. Im not worried at all about non-res vs res access really cause I live in clown world, and y’all have it real good compared to here.

 

[dirtytough]

Point out where I'm wrong about ND...is it that a NR that owns PLOTS land can actually hunt their own land if its enrolled?

I'm not going to do it for you. You have a computer. Figure it out. (How am I doing? That's close/exactly to what you would respond with

You got me.

If you don't want increased NR opportunity then a few things:

You still don't understand. It's not what I want or don't want. It is about what is actually happening. Non res opportunity is decreasing everywhere. And at a higher percentage than res opportunity. That will/is having a down stream affect. Less habitat, less donations, less support, etc.

1. You have nothing to complain about when a state favors its residents.

Not complaining. I'm saying get what you can while you can or move to the non res. To the res better be careful. In the end is the benefit going to be worth the cost? You don't care as long as you get yours as evidenced by still applying for moose. All while how many residents of your own state will never draw? Don't worry about answering that. We already know you think it's perfectly fine as long as you get yours.

 

[Trap]

How about a blanket resident/ non resident allocation across the nation?

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Exactly

 

[BuzzH]

I'm not going to do it for you. You have a computer. Figure it out. (How am I doing? That's close/exactly to what you would respond with

You still don't understand. It's not what I want or don't want. It is about what is actually happening. Non res opportunity is decreasing everywhere. And at a higher percentage than res opportunity. That will/is having a down stream affect. Less habitat, less donations, less support, etc.

Not complaining. I'm saying get what you can while you can or move to the non res. To the res better be careful. In the end is the benefit going to be worth the cost? You don't care as long as you get yours as evidenced by still applying for moose. All while how many residents of your own state will never draw? Don't worry about answering that. We already know you think it's perfectly fine as long as you get yours.

What you need to understand, is that every state has a history of favoring residents. Every state discriminates against nr hunters. Every state that experiences less resident opportunity is going to cut non resident opportunity first.

Every state has the legal right to do it, codified in federal law.

The sooner you realize you hunt as a nr at the pleasure of what the other 49 states believe they can give you, the sooner your anger and blood pressure will both subside.

I don't complain if other states cut me out as a nr completely, don't care if they force me to hire a guide for certain species, don't care if they restrict where I can hunt, don't care if they limit me to parts of seasons, don't care what they charge for nr licenses.

None of that will change my support of wildlife, contributions to places and species I'll never hunt, or how I feel about the value of public lands and wildlife.

The big picture is about more than just the wildlife I can run a hook or bullet into. It's about more than being able to plant my feet on every acre of public land and take something from it.

It's different with you, the only thing you value is your expectations of a dead animal you feel entitled to from a state you don't live in. And if you don't get your way, you'll throw your sucker in the dirt and not support either public land or wildlife. That's your choice to make.

Just own the facts of what you really care about. Once again I hold no contempt for your choices and your reasons or set of values you place on wildlife or public lands. I just don't have to agree with them.

Not many support things if there isn't something in it for them personally, others do.

 

[BBob]

But I’m all good if we wanna blame Wyoming

Yeah Yeah it's all WYO's fault! We down here in AZ and NM dindo nuffin

All the doom and gloom over WY. Open your eyes people, this train started 25 or more years ago. It isn't anything new and isn't going to change for the better as demand continues to increase.