The resident short game. Long term consequences?

[dirtytough]

Tell me how much you do to increase non resident hunting opportunities in the state you live in?

Has absolutely nothing to do with the OP. Always fun watching you side track a thread with irrelevant posts though. If you would like to know what people are doing in the state they live in to increase non res opportunity maybe you should start a thread on it?

 

[Customweld]

So if hunting was banned on federal land, you'd be cool as

So if hunting was banned on federal land, you'd be cool as long as you could still hike, camp, etc? Yeah, right.

It might slow down the mass exodus to Idaho. If I couldn’t hunt on federal land, life would still go on and be as miserable as you make it out to be. I’d continue to fish, ride motorcycles, ice fish , snowmobile and whatever tickles my fancy.

 

[BuzzH]

Has absolutely nothing to do with the OP. Always fun watching you side track a thread with irrelevant posts though. If you would like to know what people are doing in the state they live in to increase non res opportunity maybe you should start a thread on it?

This thread is about making things better for nr hunters....don't you live in North Dakota?

I think it appropriate we talk a bit about North Dakota and what nr opportunity looks like there.

You talked about Alaska and Wyoming why nothing about nodak?

 

[Rich M]

In reality wildlife can be managed without hunting as we see by declining populations and additional predation.

Who knows what the future holds but the long-term outlook as we see more and more groups disenfranchised doesn’t look great. So yes as more and more people stop hunting fewer and fewer will support the right as they won’t care, that doesn’t mean they don’t care about wildlife just means with no interest why step up for it.

Pretty much - if folks aren't allowed to play, they go elsewhere and that removes the money. It is a ripple effect.

If I can only go hunt say once or twice in a lifetime - why would I even think about or try to fund hunt access on a regular basis? Why would I send money if I'm not thinking about them because I've been excluded from the party? The whole idea of pushing folks to send money when they can't play is silly.

So to hell with deer and elk if you can’t hunt them in another state. Got it.

How much money do you spend to support say,

• elk in Minnesota or Pennsylvania?
• Or moose in VT, NH, Maine?
• Key Deer?
• Panthers in FL?
• The manatees?

If not, why not? They are there, you basically said you need to support them if you love animals.

The fact is hunting is becoming an industry and you are a consumer. You are free to take your business else where, but there is a whole host of people out there wanting to make a buck by getting someone new to buy some boots, a rifle and head out west. Maybe some of you fall into that category and you are now realizing you were sold something that wasn't as good as it sounded.

Hunting has been an industry for a very long time. Fred Bear was part of the industry - that goes back a ways.

I got a book in 1978 and saw antelope, mule deer, peccary, etc. Decided I wanted to hunt mule deer and antelope. Figured I might get a chance "someday". 2017 went and shot my first antelope 39 years after first wanting to go. 2019 first muley hunt and got a nice buck, 160-inch ending that 41 year quest. Still want a buck antelope and was collecting points, now planning to go guided to make sure it can be realized.

The media we have these days and the media heroes have ignited the desire a bit more than an old book or magazine article can. Then they told their followers that they should be hunting EVERY YEAR as opposed to a couple of times in their lifetime. Then they told their followers that we need to increase the hunter numbers as much as possible to stave off extinction. They said to bring em out west. They also said to buy these expensive pants and packs. BTW, this is how you apply for the tags and where you need to buy points. They even told everyone where to go in some instances. WY G comes to mind - meat-eat did that. Funny thing is that the various states have been known to pay these guys to come out and make videos to attract more customers. I mean hunters.

Anyway, like it or not - hunting has always been an industry. The offshoot "conservation" organizations have likewise been around for a long time milking the system as well. They do have mission statements and I'm sure part of those are not to help NR hunters get or keep opportunities in the various states.

LOL! - Someone with a little charisma could make a killing if they started that kind of organization right now - Send money to help fight for NR access and opportunities in western states. $35/year gets you a sticker and membership with monthly updates on the plight of the NR hunting in the western hunts. For an extra $25/yr we will include Alaskan hunting and whitetail hunting. You will be asked to provide ideas and participate in telephone and email campaigns.

I'm involved with this stuff for FL duck hunters - and no, we don't differentiate between R & NR - it's a come one come all kind of thing. Think it's $25/yr and we have events too - youth hunts, vet hunts, flyway conferences, and more. I started it in about 1999 - the voice of Florida waterfowl hunters. Promote participation in the regulatory meetings and push for more public access, etc. Just took some attended a meeting. Couple guys showed up and wanted to reinvent the wheel - told them if they joined, they would get an officer position and the ability to do what they were saying they wanted to do - with the support of the membership. We'll see how that goes. Otherwise, they were just flapping they gums. Time will tell.

 

[UpNorth89]

How about a blanket resident/ non resident allocation across the nation?

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[BuzzH]

Duck Hunting | North Dakota Game and Fish

gf.nd.gov

My goodness me...would be nice to get a small slice of the first week of duck season as a nr of nodak.

 

[dirtytough]

This thread is about making things better for nr hunters....don't you live in North Dakota?

I think it appropriate we talk a bit about North Dakota and what nr opportunity looks like there.

You talked about Alaska and Wyoming why nothing about nodak?

Point out in the OP where I said anything about making stuff better for non res hunters. Here is the gist of it. The last paragraph.

"If you are a non res to the western states I would try to get what you can as soon as possible or move. The future isn’t looking bright for non res hunting. If you are a resident of a western state I hope you like company, higher cost of living, and loss of habitat. Because you are bringing it upon yourselves."

Keep trying your best to start a fight/argument/debate about a topic that has nothing to do with this thread. Again you could start your own thread about increasing non res opportunity. Or you can continue to try to threadjack this one.

 

[BuzzH]

Would be nice if a nr could hunt PLOTS land for pheasants in nodak. Kind of a misnomer...should be PLOTRS...R meaning private land open to resident sportsmen only.

Pheasant Hunting | North Dakota Game and Fish

gf.nd.gov

 

[Customweld]

Pretty much - if folks aren't allowed to play, they go elsewhere and that removes the money. It is a ripple effect.

If I can only go hunt say once or twice in a lifetime - why would I even think about or try to fund hunt access on a regular basis? Why would I send money if I'm not thinking about them because I've been excluded from the party? The whole idea of pushing folks to send money when they can't play is silly.



How much money do you spend to support say,

• elk in Minnesota or Pennsylvania?
• Or moose in VT, NH, Maine?
• Key Deer?
• Panthers in FL?
• The manatees?

If not, why not? They are there, you basically said you need to support them if you love animals.



Hunting has been an industry for a very long time. Fred Bear was part of the industry - that goes back a ways.

I got a book in 1978 and saw antelope, mule deer, peccary, etc. Decided I wanted to hunt mule deer and antelope. Figured I might get a chance "someday". 2017 went and shot my first antelope 39 years after first wanting to go. 2019 first muley hunt and got a nice buck, 160-inch ending that 41 year quest. Still want a buck antelope and was collecting points, now planning to go guided to make sure it can be realized.

The media we have these days and the media heroes have ignited the desire a bit more than an old book or magazine article can. Then they told their followers that they should be hunting EVERY YEAR as opposed to a couple of times in their lifetime. Then they told their followers that we need to increase the hunter numbers as much as possible to stave off extinction. They said to bring em out west. They also said to buy these expensive pants and packs. BTW, this is how you apply for the tags and where you need to buy points. They even told everyone where to go in some instances. WY G comes to mind - meat-eat did that. Funny thing is that the various states have been known to pay these guys to come out and make videos to attract more customers. I mean hunters.

Anyway, like it or not - hunting has always been an industry. The offshoot "conservation" organizations have likewise been around for a long time milking the system as well. They do have mission statements and I'm sure part of those are not to help NR hunters get or keep opportunities in the various states.

LOL! - Someone with a little charisma could make a killing if they started that kind of organization right now - Send money to help fight for NR access and opportunities in western states. $35/year gets you a sticker and membership with monthly updates on the plight of the NR hunting in the western hunts. For an extra $25/yr we will include Alaskan hunting and whitetail hunting. You will be asked to provide ideas and participate in telephone and email campaigns.

I'm involved with this stuff for FL duck hunters - and no, we don't differentiate between R & NR - it's a come one come all kind of thing. Think it's $25/yr and we have events too - youth hunts, vet hunts, flyway conferences, and more. I started it in about 1999 - the voice of Florida waterfowl hunters. Promote participation in the regulatory meetings and push for more public access, etc. Just took some attended a meeting. Couple guys showed up and wanted to reinvent the wheel - told them if they joined, they would get an officer position and the ability to do what they were saying they wanted to do - with the support of the membership. We'll see how that goes. Otherwise, they were just flapping they gums. Time will tell.

Well, I buy a shit ton of ammo, powder, bullets and fishing supplies. The PR act ensures that some of that money gets spread around. If I lived down there and they had volunteer opportunities, damn right I’d be out there helping. As it sits, I don’t have a pile of money to drunkenly throw at stuff I don’t need at the various banquets. I will however get out at least 4 or 5 days every month and physically bust my ass to plant trees and brush, roll up barbed wire, improve wetlands. How many trees have you planted up here after a fire has tore through?

 

[BuzzH]

Point out in the OP where I said anything about making stuff better for non res hunters. Here is the gist of it. The last paragraph.

"If you are a non res to the western states I would try to get what you can as soon as possible or move. The future isn’t looking bright for non res hunting. If you are a resident of a western state I hope you like company, higher cost of living, and loss of habitat. Because you are bringing it upon yourselves."

Keep trying your best to start a fight/argument/debate about a topic that has nothing to do with this thread. Again you could start your own thread about increasing non res opportunity. Or you can continue to try to threadjack this one.

Could you point me to the application process for a nr moose hunt in north Dakota?

I can't find it on the website.

 

[BuzzH]

Hey dirtytough, I was working last summer up in nodak, saw some great bull elk up there, and even some bighorn sheep.

Was wondering what the tag splits are for a non resident that may be looking to apply?

Is it 90-10?

 

[dirtytough]

Tell me how much you do to increase non resident hunting opportunities in the state you live in?

Has absolutely nothing to do with the OP. Always fun watching you side track a thread with irrelevant posts though. If you would like to know what people are doing in the state they live in to increase non res opportunity maybe you should start a thread on it?

This thread is about making things better for nr hunters....don't you live in North Dakota?

I think it appropriate we talk a bit about North Dakota and what nr opportunity looks like there.

You talked about Alaska and Wyoming why nothing about nodak?

Point out in the OP where I said anything about making stuff better for non res hunters. Here is the gist of it. The last paragraph.

"If you are a non res to the western states I would try to get what you can as soon as possible or move. The future isn’t looking bright for non res hunting. If you are a resident of a western state I hope you like company, higher cost of living, and loss of habitat. Because you are bringing it upon yourselves."

Keep trying your best to start a fight/argument/debate about a topic that has nothing to do with this thread. Again you could start your own thread about increasing non res opportunity. Or you can continue to try to threadjack this one.

Duck Hunting | North Dakota Game and Fish

gf.nd.gov

My goodness me...would be nice to get a small slice of the first week of duck season as a nr of nodak.

Would be nice if a nr could hunt PLOTS land for pheasants in nodak. Kind of a misnomer...should be PLOTRS...R meaning private land open to resident sportsmen only.

Pheasant Hunting | North Dakota Game and Fish

gf.nd.gov

Could you point me to the application process for a nr moose hunt in north Dakota?

I can't find it on the website.

Hey dirtytough, I was working last summer up in nodak, saw some great bull elk up there, and even some bighorn sheep.

Was wondering what the tag splits are for a non resident that may be looking to apply?

Is it 90-10?

I am shocked you couldn't point out in the OP where I was talking about increased non res opportunity. Shocked I tell you shocked!

 

[Rich M]

Well, I buy a shit ton of ammo, powder, bullets and fishing supplies. The PR act ensures that some of that money gets spread around. If I lived down there and they had volunteer opportunities, damn right I’d be out there helping. As it sits, I don’t have a pile of money to drunkenly throw at stuff I don’t need at the various banquets. I will however get out at least 4 or 5 days every month and physically bust my ass to plant trees and brush, roll up barbed wire, improve wetlands. How many trees have you planted up here after a fire has tore through?

We're all in different spots - I was getting your attention - not saying you've done anything wrong. Some folks do the work, others finance it, and a bunch just reap the rewards, it has always been that way.

I just attended an annual meeting with a local National Wildlife Refuge we hunt - talking about what happened last year, what they want to see happen this year, and how to get it done.

Thank you for your efforts and being a volunteer who makes a difference! You worry about your fire repair and I'll worry about the hunter opportunity and access at this refuge. Together we'll make things better for others.

 

[260madman]

Residents: Move here if you want to hunt here.

Residents: All these people move here and it’s getting crowded.

Residents in10 years: So many out of staters moved here and they’re trying to shutdown trapping and predator hunting, this will damage the herds! This wasn’t how it was supposed to happen! Rokslide needs to help us! Donate to this cause.

Me:

 

[BuzzH]

I am shocked you couldn't point out in the OP where I was talking about increased non res opportunity. Shocked I tell you shocked!

I'm curious why you didn't include North Dakota in your discussion/rant about how poorly some states treat nr hunters?

Don't want to discuss little miss piggy in nodak?

 

[dirtytough]

I'm curious why you didn't include North Dakota in your discussion/rant about how poorly some states treat nr hunters?

I'll think about answering that. Maybe when other posters answer questions asked of them?

It almost feels like you are trying to post leading questions. Maybe to discredit? Maybe to justify? Maybe you aren't that smart to post leading questions? Maybe its as simple as you are just trolling for entertainment? Who knows. Everyone knows when you enter a thread it will up the entertainment value. I do appreciate that part of your forum contributions.

 

[bayoublaster7527]

Crickets....

Pretty sure Colorado currently offers more non-resident big game hunting opportunities than any other western state. Now if you are looking at trophy opportunity, that is a bit different discussion……

 

[BuzzH]

I'll think about answering that. Maybe when other posters answer questions asked of them?

It almost feels like you are trying to post leading questions. Maybe to discredit? Maybe to justify? Maybe you aren't that smart to post leading questions? Maybe its as simple as you are just trolling for entertainment? Who knows. Everyone knows when you enter a thread it will up the entertainment value. I do appreciate that part of your forum contributions.

I think in an honest discussion about how residents want to keep opportunity for themselves, it's curious that you exclude your home state. A state that allows zero non resident opportunity for sheep, moose, and elk. Even goes so far as limiting nr duck hunters to 14 total days, no opportunity at all the first week, won't allow any nr hunting for upland birds on their PLOTS lands.

Did it slip your mind to include those, some of the most favorable resident regulations found anywhere?

I would be all in favor of making hunter management areas and walkin areas resident only in Wyoming.

Would be really great to get a week jump on deer, elk, and pronghorn before non residents.

Would be great if Wyoming kept all 378 moose permits for residents like north Dakota does for their 400 resident only moose permits.

Why would you be upset about another state favoring it's residents when your state does the exact same thing?

Seems strange to not want to talk about the state you live in.

 

[dirtytough]

I think in an honest discussion about how residents want to keep opportunity for themselves, it's curious that you exclude your home state. A state that allows zero non resident opportunity for sheep, moose, and elk. Even goes so far as limiting nr duck hunters to 14 total days, no opportunity at all the first week, won't allow any nr hunting for upland birds on their PLOTS lands.

Did it slip your mind to include those, some of the most favorable resident regulations found anywhere?

I would be all in favor of making hunter management areas and walkin areas resident only in Wyoming.

Would be really great to get a week jump on deer, elk, and pronghorn before non residents.

Would be great if Wyoming kept all 378 moose permits for residents like north Dakota does for their 400 resident only moose permits.

Why would you be upset about another state favoring it's residents when your state does the exact same thing?

Seems strange to not want to talk about the state you live in.

Keep trying. And maybe actually get your facts straight next post? Kind of like earlier in the thread? Still never showed that this thread is about increasing non res opportunity in the OP. I'm waiting.

 

[QuackAttack]

Then there's Reelfoot.


Where people are literally getting shot.

Western hunters are decades behind when it comes to hunting drama.

Blind burnings…shooting at “low birds” and hitting other hunters…sinking boats…dog killing.

That’s not even touching the use of imminent domain type pressure to “buy” land wanted by rich guys for their duck clubs…or how certain duck clubs ended up INSIDE closed wildlife refuges…or state funded water control projects…that were built to flood woods for politically connected folks.

I mean…it’s not like the head of game and fish owns a big name club…cough.

What’s old is new again.