Lobbying Wyoming game and fish negatively affecting non-resident elk hunters

[Bighorner]

Probably don’t need a majority, 25-30%, even if a measurable percentage stopped purchasing points it could be impactful.

I wish you luck and happiness

 

[Rich M]

Just one year? Go for 40. That’ll teach em’!

Touche’! Very good.

I was primarily bringing up the codependant relationship. Dont really have any skin in this game.

Looking to hunt antelope in 2023.

 

[Wyobohunter]

How about we settle all of this with a simple trade agreement. For every Wyoming resident that buys a tag in your state we issue one to someone from your state. One of us gets a whitetail tag in your state. You get one in our state. I get an elk tag where you live, you get one here. A straight up trade. Would that work? I don’t see why not.

 

[BuzzH]

Taxes. Ag taxes are just as low as fed grazing leases. Same subsidy.

Easier permitting. That is true as someone who works in oil and gas not everything needs a well on it and oil companies have no conscience.

Fed grazing fees can be raised. It's a broken historical system that needs fixed (sound familar?)

Lots of possibilities when land gets bought up by wealthy folks. I'm sure you've noticed how welcoming the Wilks are, or any other large ranch. Coming from a guy with a lease in Colorado.

20%? Have you been to a national park out west? They need more space not less. They are getting loved to death. It's like a shopping center with animals.

When the FS is dissolved who is putting out the fire on your leased ground or whatever it is you bought in to?

The west is as wild a place today as it will ever be. We have access and dispite the constant complaint there is a ton of opportunity, just maybe not the oppertunity you feel you deserve.

Don't sweat it. Those that want to divest the greatest gift ever bestowed the American public(public lands) are in the minority and fringe operators.

The interest in keeping public lands public is at an all-time high, a level of support not seen in my lifetime.

Those that say otherwise are simply not paying attention to tourism, hunting, fishing, hiking, mountain bike riding, motorized sports, birding, camping, rock climbing, and on and on and on.

The land management agencies are also seeing increased funding and hiring has increased the last year to levels not seen in the 35 years I've been working.

There is a huge demand for research, management, enforcement, etc in the land management agencies.

Make no mistake, the public loves their public lands and those politicians that would try to peddle them are in for short careers in politics. Few things unite outdoor recreationists from all political sides of the aisle quicker than defending our public lands. Seen it first hand...time and time again.

I would just ignore the radical fringe that believe public lands only have value if they get their way on everything to do with them.

Just keep fighting the good fight, those that support public lands are in the majority, by a landslide, at a minimum.

 

[Wyobohunter]

Happy to do it.

Sounds like we solved it! Now to get everyone else on board. You’ll probably need to bone up on your salesmanship. I really like what I have.

 

[707Veteran]

Tourists are important

That has nothing to do with why residents of states get priority in situations like this. Tourists are important but the word itself explains it. Someone traveling through not residing permanently.

 

[Gutshot007]

I just have to ask, do you work for a local union? If not, you might look into it. You'd do well.

Slick, do you work for FBI doing character profiling? I don't want go off track here . My family worked in steel mills, general motors and electric utilities. 2 have been union president's and I lived through a few strikes as a kid. Not sure if it's genetic ?
And no I don't know where Jimmy Hoffa is buried

 

[Gutshot007]

I think one the biggest issues most Non-Resident western hunters have is the accelerated trajectory at which it's going "from bad to worse" . I don't know an easy answer or compromise, but would like to see the pendulum swing to some reasonable level towards the non-residents. Unfortunately things sometimes get heated before that happens. If there is complete apathy I can guarantee you odds will in reality end up 100/0 not in your favor as a non-resident. Hard to just sit by and watch. Western non-resident hunters keep the ideas flowing on how to prevent this

 

[sndmn11]

I think seeing where this argument has gone with, "Let's punish a state by withholding earned revenue until they appease out of state hunters", is a great example of why you are seeing non-resident opportunity dwindle. At some point the requests get silly and the decision makers stop caring about appeasing the squeaky wheel and stick with the folks who matter.

I am all for Wyoming making it hard for me as a CO resident hard to hunt, and I am all for me as a CO resident getting prime opportunity here by drastically reducing NR opportunity. CPW and each state's wildlife agency will get by just fine fiscally, they will end up saving more time by not having to figure out how to spend their excess revenue.

 

[Squincher]

It’s a shit place to live or even visit.

Most true words I've read in a long time. I try like hell to avoid even working west of the Central Time Zone.

 

[sndmn11]

Who mentioned withholding earned revenue?

I propose the “Fair opportunity in America’s Outdoors Act”

I think the vast majority of us posting here believe in a few fundamental things, one being access to our vast federal lands for recreational opportunities as well as state management of wildlife via the North American model. However we’re seeing a worrying trend in American hunting...

www.rokslide.com

I’d like to see federal legislation that states will lose federal wildlife matching dollars if…

A) Nonresident tag allocation is less than 90/10.

B) If tag costs for nonresidents is greater than 10 times that of the resident cost.

C) If nonresidents are not given all the same privileges with regards to residents when hunting federal land. (IE no more nonresident WY wilderness rule.)

D) If preference is given to outfitted clients with regard to draw odds on tags valid for use on federal land.

Bottom line I think it’s great states give preferential treatment to residents, but at one point there is going to have to be left and right lateral limits because it’s getting ridiculous. I pay taxes for all that awesome NF and BLM land out west. I think it’s only fair that the states give up federal matching dollars if they are going to restrict my opportunity to hunt it to an onerous degree.

We’re all non residents in 49 other states. Would suck to be stuck hunting just one even if it’s some place like WY.

Buckeye rifleman, thanks for the well thought out post. I do think not only leaning on western state legislators we need to think of the angle on the Feds as well

 

[manitou1]

Wy has 580k folks

130-150k of them hunt

The F&G budget is like $81 million

The res hunters cant afford this without help. 1 yr boycott by NR would crush them.

A ten-year boycott sounds better. I could live with that.

 

[Maverick1]

 

[Maverick1]

 

[Gutshot007]

Don't sweat it. Those that want to divest the greatest gift ever bestowed the American public(public lands) are in the minority and fringe operators.

The interest in keeping public lands public is at an all-time high, a level of support not seen in my lifetime.

Those that say otherwise are simply not paying attention to tourism, hunting, fishing, hiking, mountain bike riding, motorized sports, birding, camping, rock climbing, and on and on and on.

The land management agencies are also seeing increased funding and hiring has increased the last year to levels not seen in the 35 years I've been working.

There is a huge demand for research, management, enforcement, etc in the land management agencies.

Make no mistake, the public loves their public lands and those politicians that would try to peddle them are in for short careers in politics. Few things unite outdoor recreationists from all political sides of the aisle quicker than defending our public lands. Seen it first hand...time and time again.

I would just ignore the radical fringe that believe public lands only have value if they get their way on everything to do with them.

Just keep fighting the good fight, those that support public lands are in the majority, by a landslide, at a minimum.

Non-resident western hunters this is a great post on federal lands. Greatest gift ever bestowed to us(as Americans). I agree .There is a sentence in there " I would just ignore the radical fringe that believe public lands have value only if they get their way on everything to do with them" I am assuming he's talking about that small(but not all) radical fringe group of resident hunters ,lobbying groups who want to limit or completely do away with any non-residents ability to have a small piece of the pie. Times have definitely changed since our country has been blessed with this land. I have no idea what rules were for non-resident hunters were early on with these public lands. I'm sure it wasn't a 100 page synopsis. It's a shame that fringe is doing its best to limit you. Unfortunately they have pushed things to the point where it has become necessary for non -resident western hunter's have to look at ways for the federal government to pressure states with whatever means to hunt

 

[Gutshot007]

Reading a number of posts it looks contacting a state legislator may be of little benefit. Hard to say. Can't hurt. It sounds like talking your US senator or congressman may have benefits if the feds can apply pressure or financial benefit to states that are "non -resident friendly "

 

[Gutshot007]

Non-resident western hunters there have been unfortunately a number of negative posts along the lines of "go ahead and don't put in for a license or points. There are 5 more guys standing in line waiting to pay ( I think someone said millions?) " l wonder how LEGALLY accessible non-resident lists are for western states to do mass emails to other nonresidents. I bet there are huge numbers fed up with the current state of non-resident western hunting . A financial boycott may have more leverage than previously thought. Even if not everyone buys in . Obviously huge undertaking and would take logistical skills. Any computer software guys out there with a million bucks?

 

[Gutshot007]

I’d like to see federal legislation that states will lose federal wildlife matching dollars if…

A) Nonresident tag allocation is less than 90/10.

B) If tag costs for nonresidents is greater than 10 times that of the resident cost.

C) If nonresidents are not given all the same privileges with regards to residents when hunting federal land. (IE no more nonresident WY wilderness rule.)

D) If preference is given to outfitted clients with regard to draw odds on tags valid for use on federal land.

Bottom line I think it’s great states give preferential treatment to residents, but at one point there is going to have to be left and right lateral limits because it’s getting ridiculous. I pay taxes for all that awesome NF and BLM land out west. I think it’s only fair that the states give up federal matching dollars if they are going to restrict my opportunity to hunt it to an onerous degree.

We’re all non residents in 49 other states. Would suck to be stuck hunting just one even if it’s some place like WY.

Something along this line sounds reasonable. Could be done add money as well to "non-resident friendly " states vs penalty depending on how things shake out. (Positive vs negative)

 

[tdhanses]

Taxes. Ag taxes are just as low as fed grazing leases. Same subsidy.

Easier permitting. That is true as someone who works in oil and gas not everything needs a well on it and oil companies have no conscience.

Fed grazing fees can be raised. It's a broken historical system that needs fixed (sound familar?)

Lots of possibilities when land gets bought up by wealthy folks. I'm sure you've noticed how welcoming the Wilks are, or any other large ranch. Coming from a guy with a lease in Colorado.

20%? Have you been to a national park out west? They need more space not less. They are getting loved to death. It's like a shopping center with animals.

When the FS is dissolved who is putting out the fire on your leased ground or whatever it is you bought in to?

The west is as wild a place today as it will ever be. We have access and dispite the constant complaint there is a ton of opportunity, just maybe not the oppertunity you feel you deserve.

Or maybe I feel we need change, i’m ok selling 80% but if not another thought is a $50 weekly access permit or $2k annual pass for access, still sell off checker boarded lands.

Yes there is opportunity but really it’s about time we offload these lands, for most people in this nation they’ll never step foot on them.

 

[tdhanses]

How about we settle all of this with a simple trade agreement. For every Wyoming resident that buys a tag in your state we issue one to someone from your state. One of us gets a whitetail tag in your state. You get one in our state. I get an elk tag where you live, you get one here. A straight up trade. Would that work? I don’t see why not.