Lobbying Wyoming game and fish negatively affecting non-resident elk hunters

[BuzzH]

Its time for the states to manage their own BLM land. They have the resources to do it better than the federal gov can. Its a win win for everyone. Easy to see.

Not true....both wyoming and Utah funded extensive studies to look at that. In both cases, neither state had the resources to even come close to managing federal lands.

Information age and people still refuse to research before making untrue, false, and outlandish claims filled with lies.

 

[Rich M]

I think seeing where this argument has gone with, "Let's punish a state by withholding earned revenue until they appease out of state hunters", is a great example of why you are seeing non-resident opportunity dwindle. At some point the requests get silly and the decision makers stop caring about appeasing the squeaky wheel and stick with the folks who matter.

I am all for Wyoming making it hard for me as a CO resident hard to hunt, and I am all for me as a CO resident getting prime opportunity here by drastically reducing NR opportunity. CPW and each state's wildlife agency will get by just fine fiscally, they will end up saving more time by not having to figure out how to spend their excess revenue.

Why should a state make it hard on anyone?

Someone offered a 1:1 trade on nr tags. Ima gonna bet that 99% of folks on here have been to my home state of FL at least once, if not regularly. Not to hunt cause it sucks here but we got the mouse, sun, 80s when you guys are -20, and lets not forget the fishing. Its worth the trip and you are welcome any time.

Why does it have to be a pissing match? IMO, this falls squarely on a small number of folks who dont want to share. Im willing to bet most arent as worked up as say buzz.

All the states are roped together by the fed who provides to those who dont have with what it takes from those that do. Makes us all co-dependant, whether you like it or not. WY cant fund itself but some want to hog the resources.

This topic has really brought out a lot of the bad in folks. A shame.

 

[BuzzH]

I think they should try. I dont see these lands offering much value to a lot of non residents except for the exceptional squirrel hunting and pine cone collecting they offer.

I think you should do some research...Utah produced a 743 page analysis of what it would cost that state to manage federal lands.

They assumed that the state would pay nothing for the federal land, maximizing oil production, and other extractive uses.

They would run a deficit of 1 billion to the state school trust and a similar deficit in maintenance backlogs for infrastructure.

Same thing in wyoming.

Nonstarter and not worth trying unless your goal is to bankrupt Utah.

 

[Wyobohunter]

Why should a state make it hard on anyone?

Someone offered a 1:1 trade on nr tags. Ima gonna bet that 99% of folks on here have been to my home state of FL at least once, if not regularly. Not to hunt cause it sucks here but we got the mouse, sun, 80s when you guys are -20, and lets not forget the fishing. Its worth the trip and you are welcome any time.

Why does it have to be a pissing match? IMO, this falls squarely on a small number of folks who dont want to share. Im willing to bet most arent as worked up as say buzz.

All the states are roped together by the fed who provides to those who dont have with what it takes from those that do. Makes us all co-dependant, whether you like it or not. WY cant fund itself but some want to hog the resources.

This topic has really brought out a lot of the bad in folks. A shame.

I offered a 1:1 trade. Every WY resident that actually buys an out of state tag somewhere would open up a WY tag for a resident of that state… It was in jest. I doubt many WY residents are buying out of state tags. I’d happily trade tags with Alaskans and Elk for Barbary tags with New Mexicans. That’s about it. I wouldn’t even consider trading an elk hunt for sitting in a blind staring at a corn feeder. That was my point, most other states don’t have anything to offer that I’d be even a little bit interested in. A trade requires both parties to see the trade as valuable.

 

[sndmn11]

Why should a state make it hard on anyone?

Because the supply is limited, so the demand must be curbed. The complainers are wanting access to the cream of the crop, not the backwash. Just like you said, nobody goes to Florida to hunt, hence I have not seen anyone trying to revolutionize Florida's wildlife management system to give more to non-residents.

 

[tdhanses]

Not true....both wyoming and Utah funded extensive studies to look at that. In both cases, neither state had the resources to even come close to managing federal lands.

Information age and people still refuse to research before making untrue, false, and outlandish claims filled with lies.

More reason to sell them then, land welfare is what we have in the west. I can see support from both residents and nonresidents in selling off all blm land.

 

[Lawnboi]

More reason to sell them then, land welfare is what we have in the west. I can see support from both residents and nonresidents in selling off all blm land.

It is a finite resource, land. If you can’t afford too bad. That’s what hunting is coming to I guess.

Que our hero of conservation.

 

[Rich M]

I offered a 1:1 trade. Every WY resident that actually buys an out of state tag somewhere would open up a WY tag for a resident of that state… It was in jest. I doubt many WY residents are buying out of state tags. I’d happily trade tags with Alaskans and Elk for Barbary tags with New Mexicans. That’s about it.

If youall were really gonna be selfish about your tags, there should be a point at which the $81 million price for the hunting program would need to be paid for by 130,000 to 150,000 folks who want to keep it all.

Dont you worry, you guys will figure it out. Im sure we will live to see a lock on the interstate system that says nr stay out.

Because the supply is limited, so the demand must be curbed. The complainers are wanting access to the cream of the crop, not the backwash. Just like you said, nobody goes to Florida to hunt, hence I have not seen anyone trying to revolutionize Florida's wildlife management system to give more to non-residents.

Nobody did that to WY, folks been playing by the rules and WY changed those.

Sadly, the resources we have hasnt been managed well and we’re all suffering for it. I hunt ducks a lot and see that decline first hand.

At what point do we blame the outdoors industry for creating so much demand?

 

[sndmn11]

Nobody did that to WY, folks been playing by the rules and WY changed those.

Seems like Wyoming played by the rules fully by choosing how they manage their own wildlife.

 

[Lawnboi]

If youall were really gonna be selfish about your tags, there should be a point at which the $81 million price for the hunting program would need to be paid for by 130,000 to 150,000 folks who want to keep it all.

Dont you worry, you guys will figure it out. Im sure we will live to see a lock on the interstate system that says nr stay out.



Nobody did that to WY, folks been playing by the rules and WY changed those.

Sadly, the resources we have hasnt been managed well and we’re all suffering for it. I hunt ducks a lot and see that decline first hand.

At what point do we blame the outdoors industry for creating so much demand?

You talk like states are paying influencers to pimp their product. Why the hell would they do that? Oh wait, they are.

 

[BuzzH]

More reason to sell them then, land welfare is what we have in the west. I can see support from both residents and nonresidents in selling off all blm land.

Nope, not even close to true. Americans place high value on their public lands and those that have made runs at divesting them have failed, and failed big.

There are things that most Americans with common sense realize that federal lands provide. Everything from clean air and water to recreation, to minerals, timber, grazing, energy, intrinsic value, wildlife, etc etc that every American is a beneficiary of.

It's why Americans have thrashed efforts to divest our public lands time and time again...and why they will remain public.

 

[Lawnboi]

Seems like Wyoming played by the rules fully by choosing how they manage their own wildlife.

I see a bigger problem with the monetization of a wild animal and our hunting heritage than I do limiting of that resource.

 

[BuzzH]

Im confident a smart guy like you can make it work. The resident hunters of these states have spoken. They dont need NRs help to manage resources. The residents are able to afford fancy houses, expensive trucks, expensive hunting gear, and expensive toys. Unfortunately, myself and lot of people are in the position that we need to choose where our money goes. I would rather my tax money stay in my pocket than pay for residents private public land hunting spots. There are lots of issues in my state that money could go towards solving.

Land management and wildlife management are mutually exclusive.

 

[tdhanses]

Nope, not even close to true. Americans place high value on their public lands and those that have made runs at divesting them have failed, and failed big.

There are things that most Americans with common sense realize that federal lands provide. Everything from clean air and water to recreation, to minerals, timber, grazing, energy, intrinsic value, wildlife, etc etc that every American is a beneficiary of.

It's why Americans have thrashed efforts to divest our public lands time and time again...and why they will remain public.

Most Americans will never step foot on BLM lands and would have zero issue selling. The 5 million that utilize public lands are a minority, even in CA. These are federal isssues and the majority of states Voters don’t care as much as you think. Historically it has been hunters voices that were the loudest, that’ll fade.

Yes historically you are right, doubt it lasts forever. I bet 1-10,000 voters in most states even care about public land outside of National Parks they vacation to or even know they exist.

If I remember right, last time this was pushed it included WY politicans.

 

[sndmn11]

I see a bigger problem with the monetization of a wild animal than I do limiting of that resource.

When hunting and fishing licenses became a thing in the 50's or whenever that started, did you begin your protest then?

 

[Rich M]

Seems like Wyoming played by the rules fully by choosing how they manage their own wildlife.

Again i have no skin in the game. When you tell someone who has been in the game for 20-25 yrs that he cant play no more, expect folks to be upset.

The real question is why have the sheep and moose numbers fallen so much that there are few opportunities left. Is it climate change? Poor tag allocations? What?

Wy is cutting tags again for this year. Hopefully they will fo right and eliminate doe tags in thse areas. You want to increase the herd you need baby makers.

 

[Rich M]

Nope, not even close to true. Americans place high value on their public lands and those that have made runs at divesting them have failed, and failed big.

There are things that most Americans with common sense realize that federal lands provide. Everything from clean air and water to recreation, to minerals, timber, grazing, energy, intrinsic value, wildlife, etc etc that every American is a beneficiary of.

It's why Americans have thrashed efforts to divest our public lands time and time again...and why they will remain public.

Sell it Buzz!

Most folks dont care, most dont even know what blm is and that there are vast holdings out west.

The whole idea of recreation is for all to use. Not just the guys who live there day in and out while making money off that same land.

 

[sndmn11]

Again i have no skin in the game. When you tell someone who has been in the game for 20-25 yrs that he cant play no more, expect folks to be upset.

Those people still can apply and have the opportunity to draw tags. They also knew the rules when they began 20-25 years ago.

 

[BuzzH]

Most Americans will never step foot on BLM lands and would have zero issue selling. The 5 million that utilize public lands are a minority, even in CA. These are federal isssues and the majority of states Voters don’t care as much as you think. Historically it has been hunters voices that were the loudest, that’ll fade.

Wrong again and what Americans realize is that they don't have to physically be present on every acre of federal land to benefit from it.

It's not just hunters and angler's that benefit from public lands...it's loggers, miners, livestock producers, tourism of all types, and on and on and on.

The American public will not surrender it's birthright of public lands...just a fact.

 

[BuzzH]

Sell it Buzz!

Most folks dont care, most dont even know what blm is and that there are vast holdings out west.

The whole idea of recreation is for all to use. Not just the guys who live there day in and out while making money off that same land.

And you're as free to use it as anyone else. Your choice to do so or not...don't care either way what decision you make.