Is it all Leopolds

[Archer86]

You are conveniently ignoring the fact that many of the failures have nothing to do with a rifle being dropped


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Not conviently ignoring anything you don't destructive test before normal use or your results are skewed and if you are seeing issue so easily it should be picked up rather fast and no need to drop test

 

[jimh406]

You are conveniently ignoring the fact that many of the failures have nothing to do with a rifle being dropped

Are you talking about dialing or something else? I haven't dialed ever on big game. I'm not saying it's wrong, but I choose to shoot at closer distances.

 

[Archer86]

Basic gun safety prevents you from losing your footing on steep, uneven, icy, wet terrain and falling with your rifle?

Basic saftey yes. I am curious why it has become so common for guys to fall out hunting seams odd to me

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

dropping your rifle on a hunt it should go with out question to re check zero.and the fact that basic gun saftey easily prevents it. My children are apperantly less clumsy then most on this form.

the guys that preach about drop tested scopes i would bet money on it the 90 percent of there set ups wouldn't pass the drop test

You’re thinking about the scope field evaluations like I used to (incorrectly).

 

[bmart2622]

Basic saftey yes. I am curious why it has become so common for guys to fall out hunting seams odd to me

Please explain how basic gun safety increases your footing and prevents falling?

 

[Archer86]

You’re thinking about the scope field evaluations like I used to (incorrectly).

Maybe in your opinion. Why would you try and break a product and compromise it then do the normal use testing ?

 

[Archer86]

Please explain how basic gun safety increases your footing and prevents falling?

How you carry your rifle in areas that have risks of slips and trips has a big impact its not that hard to figure out.

You guys make it seam like you are falling down everywhere you go maybe some boot slip and trip testing would do some good

 

[Jake Larsen]

I don't claim to be a scope testing expert, but my guess is there is more opinion than quality assurance involved.

If that isn't true, I have to wonder why Leupold doesn't do the same tests or very similar. Of course, another option is that Leupold would rather process scopes that need to be repaired through support. That doesn't seem like it makes sense to me due to the cost involved for Leupold. But hey, maybe the people at Leupold aren't very smart .... joking.

Search this topic on google. You’ll see threads just like this one on every single hunting and shooting forum since their inception. Leupold engineers directly addressed this topic at least twice that I’m aware of in the last couple years. It was less than impressive IMO. It’s worth looking up and listening to for yourself, and drawing your own conclusions. It’s also worth reading through the plethora of threads on this forum and others.

Some of us actually do know how to set up a rifle, shoot, and test our gear. When we get a failure, then go on a forum and see other people who have had very similar failures, the evidence is hard to ignore. Are all the “failures” rigorously tested? Probably not. But for YEARS, this discussion keeps on cropping up. And in many cases, there IS quite a bit of evidence based on some testing that the scope failed.

Then Form developed the drop test as a way to attempt a standardized method of testing scopes WITHOUT the pain of missing animals in the field. Is it perfect? Probably not. Is it better than nothing? Yea, it is. How do we know that? Because when I and many other people put scopes they pass the drop testing on our rifles, a bunch of problems disappear. They pass tall target tests. Every time I go shoot, I re-check my 200 yard zero. It doesn’t move. That’s good enough for me to recommend to a stranger


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[bmart2622]

Break a product? Recreating very realistic potential field conditions and riding in a truck is trying to break it?!?! Nah, try again. If they were trying to break them they would drive over them with a truck!!

 

[bmart2622]

How you carry your rifle in areas that have risks of slips and trips has a big impact its not that hard to figure out.

You guys make it seam like you are falling down everywhere you go maybe some boot slip and trip testing would do some good

So carrying your rifle strapped to your pack to keep your hands free is wrong??! Doesnt get much safer than muzzle pointed straight up in the air with no hands anywhere near the trigger. Still waiting to hear how basic gun safety increases footing?

 

[35WhelenAI]

Basic gun safety prevents you from losing your footing on steep, uneven, icy, wet terrain and falling with your rifle?

With respect, regardless of scope, if that happens hunters have a responsibility to check zero if there's any question there may have been reason to expect loss of point of aim.

If that's beyond what folks can do, it becomes selfish and not respecting living creatures that deserve the best when we engage them.

Anybody disagree with that? That's a yes or no answer, do animals deserve the best we can give them when there's any doubt? And if a rifle suffers an impact does that create doubt?

 

[Jake Larsen]

Are you talking about dialing or something else? I haven't dialed ever on big game. I'm not saying it's wrong, but I choose to shoot at closer distances.

This question was posted in the “Long Range” forum….

Yes, I’m talking about dialing. A “tall target test” is designed to prove a scope’s ability to dial up and down without losing zero. It is a different issue than a “migrating zero” Leupolds have been known and shown to have significant issues with both…


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[bmart2622]

With respect, regardless of scope, if that happens hunters have a responsibility to check zero if there's any question there may have been reason to expect loss of point of aim.

If that's beyond what folks can do, it becomes selfish and not respecting living creatures that deserve the best when we engage them.

Anybody disagree with that?

Nope, not at all, you should check if your rifle takes a hit but saying basic gun safety prevents falls is absurdly ridiculous

 

[Archer86]

Break a product? Recreating very realistic potential field conditions and riding in a truck is trying to break it?!?! Nah, try again. If they were trying to break them they would drive over them with a truck!!

Dropping a scope on 3 sides at multiple heights is trying to break it then proceeding to the normal use test doesn't no good you could have broke something in the drop process then you use that same product for the normal use test you compromise the product and potential skew the resukts of said test.

Would you take a brand new truck run it through a off road race and when it doesn't drive straight and continues to have issues say it's the truck that's the issue and not the fact you used it in a way it wasn't designed to be used ? Got test all your gear correct make sure that truck can get you to the trail head

 

[35WhelenAI]

Bmart, absolutely agree. With that, I see a potential trend that guys put faith in some Scopes they wouldn't have in others and may not implore due diligence for the respect of animals because a scope passed a drop test. As we know there is more in an aiming system to maintaining consistent point of impact than the scope itself.

 

[Archer86]

So carrying your rifle strapped to your pack to keep your hands free is wrong??! Doesnt get much safer than muzzle pointed straight up in the air with no hands anywhere near the trigger. Still waiting to hear how basic gun safety increases footing?

Then when slip fall back and your buddy is behind you and the barrel is pointed straight at his face

 

[z987k]

First off I doubt there’s many higher end leupolds selling for half off. Secondly supply and demand, if it’s hard to even find a new one, the used ones will obviously sell higher

Ebay keeps the prices up to some extent. You can sell them here about 15-25% less than they go for on ebay. Ebay fees make that worthwhile. But it has to be a price someone is comfortable with maybe dealing with a scam. The scams are so prevalent here and other forums with classifieds you pretty much have to price in that risk.

 

[LongWayAround]

How you carry your rifle in areas that have risks of slips and trips has a big impact its not that hard to figure out.

You guys make it seam like you are falling down everywhere you go maybe some boot slip and trip testing would do some good

I just packed a cow elk 2 miles down an icy road. I fell 4-5 times. Once was pretty official, with the barrel smacking me in side of my head. Not super fun.

I intend to check my setup soon. My rifle is carried in a Kifaru gun bearer.

Shit happens.

 

[Jake Larsen]

Dropping a scope on 3 sides at multiple heights is trying to break it then proceeding to the normal use test doesn't no good you could have broke something in the drop process then you use that same product for the normal use test you compromise the product and potential skew the resukts of said test.

Would you take a brand new truck run it through a off road race and when it doesn't drive straight and continues to have issues say it's the truck that's the issue and not the fact you used it in a way it wasn't designed to be used ? Got test all your gear correct make sure that truck can get you to the trail head

The problem with your analogy is that there are several scopes that do pass the drop tests…


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[bmart2622]

Then when slip fall back and your buddy is behind you and the barrel is pointed straight at his face

Nice try