Is it all Leopolds

[wind gypsy]

In fairness PRS embraces the fact that it's just an expensive game. The one to do away with the zero range would probably be better suited to NRL Hunter.

That’s how it is at the one day NRL hunter matches i shot last year. There was no zero range.

 

[Billy Goat]

Yesterday I would have bought this. Today I can’t. It may fail me.


J/k

I just bought a scope last week so I have no money currently.

I'll take trades

 

[Yukon Cornelius]

Appreciate the clarification. Im the same way with testing gear. In this case specifically, I’ve experienced the exact failures Form has recreated with testing, and had great luck using scopes the “drop tests” recommend.

I don’t agree with him about everything, that’s for sure. He and I have had our fair share of back and forth on this forum, especially when it comes to caliber and bullet selection. I just appreciate that from what I’ve seen, he’s quite rigorous with his testing, and clearly tries to appeal to empirical evidence when discussing these topics. Some things are subjective, such as what type of wound cavity you’d like to see on your game animals. Some things aren’t subjective; I just about guarantee that if any of these guys arguing for Leupold had my old scope on their rifle, they’d be singing a different song.


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I think I’ll be where you are eventually.

He does try to test things the same. He does provide information.

And I’ll still call the leupold haters. The tikka lovers. And the 30 cal or larger only guys all part of a cult.

What I enjoy about these threads is more information to process. I think some of the naysayers over exaggerate their experience.

I think about that guy that shared the photos the other week of the elf-x bullet that didn’t penetrate or something. And he was crusified for now showing more pictures.

I like showing proof of any claim I make if I’m going to be serious but I don’t always get a chance to take pics.

The wound channel my daughter’s eld-x did to our moose was freaking eye opening. But I know of 4 guys that swear the bullet sucks and doesn’t perform. They have personal bal experience with it failing.

 

[Jake Larsen]

Read enough threads or watch enough YouTube. I'm not here to convince you what to do.

Dude you might want to take your own advice there. I’ve been commenting on this thread from the very beginning, and made it very clear that those variables need to be accounted for, but I’ll repeat myself:

Step 1: Make sure your gun is set up properly. All sorts of videos on how to make sure your rings/bases aren’t the problem
Step 2: run a tall target test at 100 yards. You’ll find out immediately if your scope doesn’t track or return to zero
Step 3: shoot a zero conformation shot every time you take your rifle to the range. If you shoot even once a month, you’ll find out if your zero is migrating pretty quickly.
Step 4: get a different scope; and run the same tests. If the problem disappears, IT WAS THE SCOPE.

A whole bunch of us have had this experience with Leupolds. If you haven’t, count your blessings. I wish Id had a different experience. Mine cost me a 190+ mule deer that I’d hunted for 14 days.

Also, rather than reading threads and watching YouTube to inform what I do, I test my gear

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[Jake Larsen]

I think I’ll be where you are eventually.

And I’ll still call the leupold haters. The tikka lovers. And the 30 cal or larger only guys all part of a cult.

.

What can we do to pressure you into joining the cult?


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[bmart2622]

How is that trashing them? If they are a cult they are a cult. That doesn’t have to be a bad thing.

They ain’t drinking kool-aid to off each other.

They are like vegans and crossfitters.
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Ohh, so its a term of endearment?!?!

 

[jimh406]

Also, rather than reading threads and watching YouTube to inform what I do, I test my gear

So why ask what the variables are?

 

[Jake Larsen]

So why ask what the variables are?

I was assuming you had read the thread up to this point. Those variables have been discussed ad nauseam. With that context, you seemed to be implying that there was some other explanation for the poi shift.


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[Marbles]

I was assuming you had read the thread up to this point. Those variables have been discussed ad nauseam. With that context, you seemed to be implying that there was some other explanation for the poi shift.


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I regret reading the thread up to this point, but I'm sitting in the airport and trying not to so anything of value. So this train wreck is an ok distraction.

 

[fwafwow]

I regret reading the thread up to this point, but I'm sitting in the airport and trying not to so anything of value. So this train wreck is an ok distraction.

Hater

 

[Yukon Cornelius]

What can we do to pressure you into joining the cult?


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Buy me a lightweight scope that is as clear as my leupold.

 

[Yukon Cornelius]

How is that trashing them? If they are a cult they are a cult. That doesn’t have to be a bad thing.

They ain’t drinking kool-aid to off each other.

They are like vegans and crossfitters.

Ohh, so its a term of endearment?!?!
[/QUOTE]
Read it how you like.

I have nothing against cult members. I don’t have to join their cult. Hell, I invite JWs and Mormons into my home for a cup of tea or coffee.

 

[bmart2622]

Ohh, so its a term of endearment?!?!

Read it how you like.

I have nothing against cult members. I don’t have to join their cult. Hell, I invite JWs and Mormons into my home for a cup of tea or coffee.
[/QUOTE]
I dont know why you are even inclding me in this conversation, I am not a member of the "Form" cult

 

[Yukon Cornelius]

I'll take trades

All I have to offer is another leupold. Lol

Really, I don’t like the low end of that scope. I got rid of all my 4-x scopes.

I like me some 2-12 or 2.5-8 range options. 2.5-10 too.

 

[Yukon Cornelius]

Read it how you like.

I have nothing against cult members. I don’t have to join their cult. Hell, I invite JWs and Mormons into my home for a cup of tea or coffee.

I dont know why you are even inclding me in this conversation, I am not a member of the "Form" cult
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That’s a great question. Probably because I’m a little old and tech and I sometimes get along and sometimes we don’t.


Hmmmm…is that a connection with leupold?

 

[bmart2622]

I dont know why you are even inclding me in this conversation, I am not a member of the "Form" cult

That’s a great question. Probably because I’m a little old and tech and I sometimes get along and sometimes we don’t.


Hmmmm…is that a connection with leupold?
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No but comments like that scream Troll!!!

 

[BigNate]

Ohh, so its a term of endearment?!?!

Read it how you like.

I have nothing against cult members. I don’t have to join their cult. Hell, I invite JWs and Mormons into my home for a cup of tea or coffee.
[/QUOTE]
That's funny! May as well ask them if they would like to have shot and join your swingers group!

 

[Yukon Cornelius]

Read it how you like.

I have nothing against cult members. I don’t have to join their cult. Hell, I invite JWs and Mormons into my home for a cup of tea or coffee.

I have not done that yet.

 

[pacoalcracker]

Hey Wrench, that was a great video you posted. It was worth the hour to watch it. Thanks.

 

[LongWayAround]

One group: scope X shifted by margin Y at distance Z; possibly with pictures.

Another group: mine and my grandpappy's always work perfectly. Everyone else is a hater.