Is it all Leopolds

[35WhelenAI]

Basic gun safety prevents you from losing your footing on steep, uneven, icy, wet terrain and falling with your rifle?

With respect, regardless of scope, if that happens hunters have a responsibility to check zero if there's any question there may have been reason to expect loss of point of aim.

If that's beyond what folks can do, it becomes selfish and not respecting living creatures that deserve the best when we engage them.

Anybody disagree with that? That's a yes or no answer, do animals deserve the best we can give them when there's any doubt? And if a rifle suffers an impact does that create doubt?

 

[Jake Larsen]

Are you talking about dialing or something else? I haven't dialed ever on big game. I'm not saying it's wrong, but I choose to shoot at closer distances.

This question was posted in the “Long Range” forum….

Yes, I’m talking about dialing. A “tall target test” is designed to prove a scope’s ability to dial up and down without losing zero. It is a different issue than a “migrating zero” Leupolds have been known and shown to have significant issues with both…


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[bmart2622]

With respect, regardless of scope, if that happens hunters have a responsibility to check zero if there's any question there may have been reason to expect loss of point of aim.

If that's beyond what folks can do, it becomes selfish and not respecting living creatures that deserve the best when we engage them.

Anybody disagree with that?

Nope, not at all, you should check if your rifle takes a hit but saying basic gun safety prevents falls is absurdly ridiculous

 

[Archer86]

Break a product? Recreating very realistic potential field conditions and riding in a truck is trying to break it?!?! Nah, try again. If they were trying to break them they would drive over them with a truck!!

Dropping a scope on 3 sides at multiple heights is trying to break it then proceeding to the normal use test doesn't no good you could have broke something in the drop process then you use that same product for the normal use test you compromise the product and potential skew the resukts of said test.

Would you take a brand new truck run it through a off road race and when it doesn't drive straight and continues to have issues say it's the truck that's the issue and not the fact you used it in a way it wasn't designed to be used ? Got test all your gear correct make sure that truck can get you to the trail head

 

[35WhelenAI]

Bmart, absolutely agree. With that, I see a potential trend that guys put faith in some Scopes they wouldn't have in others and may not implore due diligence for the respect of animals because a scope passed a drop test. As we know there is more in an aiming system to maintaining consistent point of impact than the scope itself.

 

[Archer86]

So carrying your rifle strapped to your pack to keep your hands free is wrong??! Doesnt get much safer than muzzle pointed straight up in the air with no hands anywhere near the trigger. Still waiting to hear how basic gun safety increases footing?

Then when slip fall back and your buddy is behind you and the barrel is pointed straight at his face

 

[z987k]

First off I doubt there’s many higher end leupolds selling for half off. Secondly supply and demand, if it’s hard to even find a new one, the used ones will obviously sell higher

Ebay keeps the prices up to some extent. You can sell them here about 15-25% less than they go for on ebay. Ebay fees make that worthwhile. But it has to be a price someone is comfortable with maybe dealing with a scam. The scams are so prevalent here and other forums with classifieds you pretty much have to price in that risk.

 

[LongWayAround]

How you carry your rifle in areas that have risks of slips and trips has a big impact its not that hard to figure out.

You guys make it seam like you are falling down everywhere you go maybe some boot slip and trip testing would do some good

I just packed a cow elk 2 miles down an icy road. I fell 4-5 times. Once was pretty official, with the barrel smacking me in side of my head. Not super fun.

I intend to check my setup soon. My rifle is carried in a Kifaru gun bearer.

Shit happens.

 

[Jake Larsen]

Dropping a scope on 3 sides at multiple heights is trying to break it then proceeding to the normal use test doesn't no good you could have broke something in the drop process then you use that same product for the normal use test you compromise the product and potential skew the resukts of said test.

Would you take a brand new truck run it through a off road race and when it doesn't drive straight and continues to have issues say it's the truck that's the issue and not the fact you used it in a way it wasn't designed to be used ? Got test all your gear correct make sure that truck can get you to the trail head

The problem with your analogy is that there are several scopes that do pass the drop tests…


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[bmart2622]

Then when slip fall back and your buddy is behind you and the barrel is pointed straight at his face

Nice try

 

[bmart2622]

I just packed a cow elk 2 miles down an icy road. I fell 4-5 times. Once was pretty official, with the barrel smacking me in side of my head. Not super fun.

I intend to check my setup soon. My rifle is carried in a Kifaru gun bearer.

Shit happens.

You clearly weren't practicing basic gun safety

 

[LongWayAround]

You clearly weren't practicing basic gun safety

Clearly.

Fortunately, I did unload the gun.

 

[bmart2622]

Clearly.

Fortunately, I did unload the gun.

Doesn't matter, you still fell

 

[35WhelenAI]

Yeah once the animal is being packed out, rifle is unloaded and it's an artifact. No different than a limb from a tree or a rock in the road. This line of thinking is rather immature and ridiculous. It's just tit for tat at this point, guys acting like preschoolers.

 

[jimh406]

I can't remember the last time I fell, but I don't think it's that often. I think a few decades ago. As someone mentioned, maybe some walk testing is needed. If you have issues walking, sorry, I don't mean to offend. Just a joke ... I've had friends who've had issues wearing bifocals. I don't have to wear glasses walking, so I'm lucky.

Fwiw, it's been decades since I fell snowskiing, too. But, I'm an expert skier who usually only skis on intermediates any more. I only have to keep up with my non-expert daughter.

As Clint says, a man has to know his limitations.

 

[Archer86]

Nice try

Whats funny is they fact you guys try to make it normal to slip and fall all the time can't imagine falling down non stop like you guys just going for a walk in the woods. It's not that hard one foot In front of the next.....

 

[bmart2622]

Whats funny is they fact you guys try to make it normal to slip and fall all the time can't imagine falling down non stop like you guys just going for a walk in the woods. It's not that hard one foot In front of the next.....

Still waiting for you to tell me how basic gun safety can increase traction and prevent falls

 

[jimh406]

Still waiting for you to tell me how basic gun safety can increase traction and prevent falls

Just guessing, protect the gun when you fall. It won't stop you from falling.

 

[bmart2622]

No, it sure wont

 

[Archer86]

Still waiting for you to tell me how basic gun safety can increase traction and prevent falls

I never said how you carry is going to increase traction... basic fitness that will help with that maybe go to the gym or try some body weight exercises Increase the strength of stabilizing muscles might notice a big difference if you are falling all over the place....really helped my grandma she was mid 90s though