Gun ban

[Red Letters]

Its because you Utahn’s put idiots like Romney in there. Gotta get him out of there…he is awful.

I live in Texas, basically known for our stance on gun rights and my POS senator just voted to pass the last gun bill that includes red flag laws. This is giving people that now can’t tell you the difference between a man and a women and think giving puberty blockers to children without parental consent is perfectly fine (I could add to this list the rest of the day) authority to say who has the mental capacity to own a firearm. Just a few years ago just about any of these things would have landed people promoting them in jail or a nut house and now its main stream with half of Washington.
It’s coming, these sorry politicians are almost all bought and paid for.

 

[PredatorSlayer]

I live in Texas, basically known for our stance on gun rights and my POS senator just voted to pass the last gun bill that includes red flag laws. This is giving people that now can’t tell you the difference between a man and a women and think giving puberty blockers to children without parental consent is perfectly fine (I could add to this list the rest of the day) authority to say who has the mental capacity to own a firearm. Just a few years ago just about any of these things would have landed people promoting them in jail or a nut house and now its main stream with half of Washington.
It’s coming, these sorry politicians are almost all bought and paid for.

Gotta get people like that out of there. They didn’t put themselves in office and if they don’t represent their constituents and go rogue, the people should remove them from office.

Honestly, term limits is the only real solution to get rid of these idiots, or at least limit our exposure to them.

 

[roadrunner]

Wasn't the 2nd ammendment put in place to protect us as US citizens from a tyrannical government. That same government is currently trying pass laws to disarm the populace and infringe my 2nd ammendment rights. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they take an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution. I believe any elected official that votes for these unconstitutional laws has failed to uphold their oath and be considered a treasonous tyrant.

They pretend they have the authority to pass a law like this, but they don't. The only way they get away with it is through financial extortion against us.

 

[amassi]

I ain’t trusting the same Senate that has folded multiple times in the last couple months to sell the American people out. Send emails and pick up that phone.

**** you. No.

You mean the senate that voted to pass the pact act in June and flipped this week to 45 no votes? You don't trust that gang of fools?

Roksliders if you live in one of these districts a quick email or phone call would be greatly appreciated.

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[amassi]

I live in Texas, basically known for our stance on gun rights and my POS senator just voted to pass the last gun bill that includes red flag laws. This is giving people that now can’t tell you the difference between a man and a women and think giving puberty blockers to children without parental consent is perfectly fine (I could add to this list the rest of the day) authority to say who has the mental capacity to own a firearm. Just a few years ago just about any of these things would have landed people promoting them in jail or a nut house and now its main stream with half of Washington.
It’s coming, these sorry politicians are almost all bought and paid for.

If it's Cruz or Cornyn they also think veterans health benefits are political ploys and should be discretionary spending and not guaranteed.

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[gabenzeke]

They specified the militia.

Not keeping themselves in check, or self defense.

This is a misunderstanding. Another way to read it is: we know having a militia is important for the security of the state. Therefore, all citizens shall have access to weapons. It isn't granting the militia access to weapons but to the people while also saying a militia is important.

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[*zap*]

Way too many people want the perception of safety and not actual freedom.

That # goes up every year and eventually the sheep will be too many for freedom to exist without the exercise of violence of action by those wanting freedom above everything else. The problem is that many people 'say' they want freedom first but when their $ and possessions are threatened they will cave in. The situation, if looked at thru the eyes of honest logic, does not look very promising....good luck to you all.

 

[5MilesBack]

They pulled the rug out from under veterans that are sick and dying from toxic exposure.

Exactly HOW would this bill stop the veteran's sicknesses or prevent those veterans from dying from these conditions?

 

[WV Mountaineer]

The Supreme Court should see it that way and make said law illegal. But they keep kicking gun cases back to circuit courts who uphold the infringement, and have been unwilling to use their majority to flip any meaningful gun laws since heller. Also the 2nd ammendment was put in place to protect the new gov from all the threats to the new republic.

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The proposers of these bills knows the feds have little interest in any further restrictions. They also understand local and state government does.

 

[amassi]

Exactly HOW would this bill stop the veteran's sicknesses or prevent those veterans from dying from these conditions?

It would add to the list of conditions that are presumptive. Presumptive conditions are much easier to get rated and care for as their onset is presumed to have come from exposure to toxic chemicals in Vietnam, gulf War 1, Iraq and Afghanistan

It would expand access to care- more doctors in network and more out of network coverage
The sooner you get care, the better your odds of surviving these ailments. The current system is delay, deny, wait for them to die.


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[amassi]

The proposers of these bills knows the feds have little interest in any further restrictions. They also understand local and state government does.

Well I guess that would land on the states rights v federal rights argument

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[BFR]

Exactly HOW would this bill stop the veteran's sicknesses or prevent those veterans from dying from these conditions?

The bill was never about stopping sickness or death resulting from toxic exposure. It was about forcing the VA to address this issue with making medical treatment and disability available for veterans affected and make these presumptive conditions. What this means is that if an affected veteran files a claim for certain conditions the VA cannot arbitrarily deny military connection, something it is notorious for.

 

[fngTony]

There seems to be two topics (gun rights and the pact act) being discussed here. Let’s keep this about the original topic please.

 

[GSPHUNTER]

There seems to be two topics (gun rights and the pact act) being discussed here. Let’s keep this about the original topic please.

Thank you. I was tarting to wonder.

 

[WV Mountaineer]

Well I guess that would land on the states rights v federal rights argument

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I’m not guessing. There are issues states and local government can legally take action on. No Amendment under the bill of rights is one of them. The higher courts seem to agree lately. Which is great to finally see.

 

[Missahba]

Some definitely romanticize them as some sort of altruistic enlightened thinkers...

But I don't think "wow, what if we need reminded of our place?!" was on their list of priorities.

They were the slave owning ruling class, just without a crown.

Fortunately they were better read, and more informed on history, and philosophy, than some enlightened people. But to each his own. I’m still waiting for someone to enlighten me about founding documents that do better at preserving individual liberty over the long term.

 

[displacedtexan]

This is a misunderstanding. Another way to read it is: we know having a militia is important for the security of the state. Therefore, all citizens shall have access to weapons. It isn't granting the militia access to weapons but to the people while also saying a militia is important.

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I may have over simplified...

My intent/point was that the 2nd was more than "shall not be infringed"

 

[amassi]

I’m not guessing. There are issues states and local government can legally take action on. No Amendment under the bill of rights is one of them. The higher courts seem to agree lately. Which is great to finally see.

Maybe the Supreme Court didn't get the message with firearms and magazine restrictions In a dozen states pretty easy cases they keep kicking back to circuit courts.

No ammendment under the bill of rights? What about the 10th? (Sarcasm) your civil rights don't end at 10 you're covered through 27 for now.

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[displacedtexan]

Fortunately they were better read, and more informed on history, and philosophy, than some enlightened people. But to each his own. I’m still waiting for someone to enlighten me about founding documents that do better at preserving individual liberty over the long term.

They still owned humans as property, thought women were subservient, and indigenous people needed eradicated...

If I met one of then in a bar or at work today, I wouldn't want to be his friend.

 

[amassi]

Fortunately they were better read, and more informed on history, and philosophy, than some enlightened people. But to each his own. I’m still waiting for someone to enlighten me about founding documents that do better at preserving individual liberty over the long term.

Show your facts

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