Would you buy this scope?

[mxgsfmdpx]

Sounds like a user issue, not a scope issue. I’ve never had issues finding my target with higher magnification scopes.

Never, once? Incredible!

 

[Dobermann]

There’s no way they haven’t had friends and associates send them dozens of links to this forum. They know.

My theory anyway.

No need for it to be a theory - at least the last part. They know. Multiple of us have pointed them to the threads here. When you speak with them, they know all about it.

However, for a little while, they hadn't twigged that going on a podcast and then misrepresenting the drop eval, and even seeming to belittle this customer base of theirs would, in turn, be noticed and commented upon ...

But they know about that now, too!

 

[Dobermann]

Scope specs:

FFP 3-12x40 to 3-12x44mm

Consistently holds zero through 3-foot drops and 3,000 rounds of constant use.

The reticle is specially designed for 25 to 600 yards, with bold outer posts and correct center aiming references.

Zero Stop

Low profile top turret.

Capped windage.

Large eye box

Good glass

20oz


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Yes.

Likely two ordered up front, and approx. 7 or so over time.

 

[Dobermann]

For those wanting to delve more into the history of thought behind this project, the two posts below are starting points.

Then read Form's eval of the Minox XP5 and Maven RS 1.2, and associated Q&A threads, in detail ...

This might help answer some of the questions / issues throughout this current thread about specs, performance, and so on.

Missing Rifle Scope Features?

What do you want in a rifle scope that you either don't have now or aren't seeing on the market?

rokslide.com

Here’s the recipe-

1). Mid power 3 or 4x in the low end, 12-16x on the high end.

2). 30mm, 42-45mm objective.

3). sub 24oz weight

4. Specifically designed and built to stay zeroed through impacts and drops.

5). Locking or zero stopped low pro elevation turret, capped windage designed and built for consistent and repeatable use

6). Front focal plane, Mil/Mil with a reticle that is specially designed for low and high power visibility. Cut to the chase and use the THLR reticle from @THLR

7. Large, forgiving eyebox, large FOV if possible.


Then take that scope and actually test them versus the “tests” that everyone does, before placing on the market

Trijicon Tenmile 3-18x44mm Field Eval Q&A

Updated with 36 more drops from 3 feet.

rokslide.com

 

[swavescatter]

No need for it to be a theory - at least the last part. They know. Multiple of us have pointed them to the threads here. When you speak with them, they know all about it.

However, for a little while, they hadn't twigged that going on a podcast and then misrepresenting the drop eval, and even seeming to belittle this customer base of theirs would, in turn, be noticed and commented upon ...

But they know about that now, too!

No my theory isn't that they don't know Rokslide is driving sales, more that they accidentally spec'd a scope from LOW that happens to be rugged while their other scopes aren't. As long as they hold inventory in those (non-ruggedized) scopes, they can't acknowledge that only one model they sell is worth mounting to a rifle.

Perhaps their next gen 3 series RS scope will be ruggedized as well if their accountants decide to sign up for unprecendented demand.

 

[JGRaider]

Some of this crowd needs to come to grips with the fact that the RS influence on the rifle scope optics market is less than miniscule.

 

[43.6N]

3-12x40/42 Trijicon Creedo (RS)?

 

[Macintosh]

Some of this crowd needs to come to grips with the fact that the RS influence on the rifle scope optics market is less than miniscule.

I've said the same before. It's not wrong. At the same time, most of us, me included, dont know what kind of volume per sku registers as "significant" for various companies...the answer is virtually certainly not the same for Maven as it is for Leupold, just for instance. Ryan/Form/et al have the rokstock to point to as a case-study for relative volume, ie when they floated that idea they got X# of responses, and eventually sold a concrete # of stocks within a certain period of time...so in this case it would not be a stretch to say "based on the ratio of responses to actual sales there, we think we wil get a similar ratio on this scope, so based on X# of positive responses we guess we will sell X# of these scopes". That is pretty concrete as these things go. At that point it's just a matter of how much development cost and time, how much time you need to buy inventory for and how quickly they need to pay for it, ie if the minimum order quantity will take 6 months to sell at their estimated rate of sales, can they afford to buy 6 months of inventory under whatever the payment terms of the buy are. It either is worth the risk or it isnt, but it aint my money so I say if they pull it off good on them.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Some of this crowd needs to come to grips with the fact that the RS influence on the rifle scope optics market is less than miniscule.

Would you say 32,000 individual click throughs in 26 days is "miniscule". Hint, most scope brands don't produce or have scopes produced in this quantity on a per year basis.

Yes, the overall target market is "small" but it is growing every month. Look at prime example of scopes on perpetual backorder simply because of how few optics meet requirements.

Do you think this thread would even exist if every manufacturer or brand house said "no, there is no market for this". Forecasting and EAU's are tricky no matter what industry, optics in general is niche at it's core anyway.

 

[amassi]

People need to understand NO NICHE IS TOO SMALL.
My buddy and his wife make over six figures setting up halloween, fall and Christmas decorations as a side job, I’m sure they would have been laughed out of a small business loan officers office if they had pitched it.
Mfgs choose to fight over the same PRS sales and ignore a subset of hunters at their own peril. Someone could make a nice little chunk of change AND own that market. Weird idea I know


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[JGRaider]

Let's see, if everyone on this thread actually bought what they promised to buy, about 150 scopes or so would be sold. Yeah, that's miniscule compared to the overall market no matter how you slice it.

 

[amassi]

Let's see, if everyone on this thread actually bought what they promised to buy, about 150 scopes or so would be sold. Yeah, that's miniscule compared to the overall market no matter how you slice it.

Then rokslide does a review +250
Then social media traction and reposts of the review +1130
Then word of mouth from 1530 users add another 2000 units
Another review of long term use
Rinse and repeat
Law of accelerating return


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[JGRaider]

Then rokslide does a review +250
Then social media traction and reposts of the review +1130
Then word of mouth from 1530 users add another 2000 units
Another review of long term use
Rinse and repeat
Law of accelerating return


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IF, the reviewers actually believe the reviews.

 

[Duh]

 

[Bluumoon]

IF, the reviewers actually believe the reviews.

I think enough of us videoed and posted some pretty brutal (overly hard surfaces) drop tests on the Maven that it’s hard to disregard. Now how many people actually watched those, probably like 5…

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

Let's see, if everyone on this thread actually bought what they promised to buy, about 150 scopes or so would be sold. Yeah, that's miniscule compared to the overall market no matter how you slice it.

Less than a month, with zero marketing, one thread on one site, and something that doesn't even exist yet, yet you're already establishing a volume? You don't seem to grasp how this works in the slightest. Moving on.

 

[Mtrigg]

If it does everything the maven rs1.2 does at the same price point and 6 oz lighter? Absolutely

 

[HighUintas]

The only time more mag on a scope would be helpful is if trying to identify the genitals on an elk calf so you can determine if you can shoot it. I did this a few days ago (need more mag than the rs1.2 for genital ID at 500!) and then backed the mag out to 6x to shoot a spike when it walked out.

 

[lintond]

On this note...I shoot just as accurate at 100 to 600 with my x10 and my x15...it just doesn't seem as accurate from the rifle...but out on the target it is. It takes some of the wiggle out and I think there is a bit more confidence in the shot.

Same, I think not seeing the holes on paper helps me stay focused as well.


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[rcook10]

Man some of you guys are so f@ckin salty. We rarely have an opportunity to have enough market share and power to make stuff we actually want to use and that holds up the abuse. We actually got a shot here and all I see on this forum is tears and circle jerking. Either live a little or shut up and let people with vision make change happen.