Would you buy this scope?

[Shortschaf]

I won’t buy sight unseen, but I’ll trust a good review or two if I can’t handle it first.

I agree with the first two points…but those are industry-wide issues, not specific to this post/project. Unless I’m mistaken, find me ANY manufacturer or even reviewer that has an actual measurable definition of “large eye box”.
So far that’s a point that is usually subjective and comparative. But I think we all have seen examples of cheaper variables that when at the top of their magnification range, eye box gets small. Avoiding that I would assume is the goal.

Good glass is definable. But at that price point and for the intended use, I can’t imagine it could be much of an actual concern that it won’t be good enough.

The last point, I will disagree and say, look for the Scope Evals here on Rokslide. “Form” explains the drops and 3,000 rounds test in depth and explains the rationale behind it very well. It’s a consistent and logical test that gives a good indication of scope performance and reliability.

4x zoom ratio with japanese glass will pretty much be guarenteed to have a "large eye box" to the most stringent standards you can dream of. That's a primary reason for the small zoom ratio

 

[Dave0317]

4x zoom ratio with japanese glass will pretty much be guarenteed to have a "large eye box" to the most stringent standards you can dream of. That's a primary reason for the small zoom ratio

Yep. I agree.

 

[Split toe]

I'd be interested in one if we could get 15 or 16x zoom on the top end.

 

[grizz19]

The fact that it tops out at 12 power leaves me out. Personally I’d like to see at least 15.

 

[Macintosh]

Can you get a turret that dials on those?

Yes.

 

[Roosterstraw]

Not right now.

1. Not enough magnification for me.

2. You guys dropped the ball getting the stock out. Couldn’t imagine this would be any different.

 

[WKR]

Not right now.

1. Not enough magnification for me.

2. You guys dropped the ball getting the stock out. Couldn’t imagine this would be any different.

You don't believe people/small businesses learn from their mistakes?

One screw up doesn't mean a lifetime of pre-order fiascos

 

[Roosterstraw]

You don't believe people/small businesses learn from their mistakes?

One screw up doesn't mean a lifetime of pre-order fiascos

That’s why I said “not right now”. Maybe once they’ve proven they can get a good product out without being a year behind on shipping.

 

[WKR]

That’s why I said “not right now”. Maybe once they’ve proven they can get a good product out without being a year behind on shipping.

Understood

 

[ljalberta]

Is everyone hunting common house flies that they want above 12x on the zoom range?

 

[bullmtn]

Is everyone hunting common house flies that they want above 12x on the zoom range?

If you shot the size of deer I shoot, you would need high zoom too.

 

[Dave0317]

Is everyone hunting common house flies that they want above 12x on the zoom range?

Must be, lol.

I’ve been wondering the same thing.
The 12x top end is part of what will help this scope achieve good eye box, field of view, and other benefits. If someone wants the trade off of more top end zoom and less of the other features, they can already buy any number of other Trijicon or Nightforce scopes. Or even the Mavens.

So it’s weird they are like, “we like the idea of a new scope, but we want it to be more like lots of other scopes that already exist”. lol.

Please OP, stick to the original goal. A scope for killing animals at any practical distance from field positions. The guys shooting varmints and doing load development already have several Trijicon Tenmiles and NF NX8 type scopes to choose from.

 

[khuber84]

Make the 3-12x, but also make a 5-20 or 6-24, go with an optical form that has as big a FOV as possible. It's strange as Swaro/Kahles has a patent on FOV angles, so everyone but them is kinda limited to how wide the FOV can be. However Burris/Steiner just ignores it, and makes whatever they want, a lot the Asian manufacturers do. However American and Euro all do not infringe.

 

[mtwarden]

Is everyone hunting common house flies that they want above 12x on the zoom range?

I always thought 9-10X was more than plenty; shot my Dall at 430 yards w/ a 2.5- 8X

I don't look at a scope unless it's at least sub 16 oz and even then I'll usually gravitate to something a wee bit lighter; I'm pretty sure I'm the odd man out

 

[Weldor]

I always thought 9-10X was more than plenty; shot my Dall at 430 yards w/ a 2.5- 8X

I don't look at a scope unless it's at least sub 16 oz and even then I'll usually gravitate to something a wee bit lighter; I'm pretty sure I'm the odd man out

Did you hold over or dial, just curious. Very cool Sheep for sure and certain.

 

[4th_point]

I always thought 9-10X was more than plenty; shot my Dall at 430 yards w/ a 2.5- 8X

Mike,

That's assuming that everyone "sees" as well as you do.

And that everyone is hunting in the same terrain (soil, rock, and veg) as a background.

Jason

 

[ElPollo]

My impression is that needing 15x+ is a result of focusing too much on shooting paper. 15x slows down your time to get on target, ensures that you are not going to be able to spot your impacts, and ensures you are unlikely to be able to get back on target for a second shot. So much of what people seem to want out of rifle scopes is just speculative stuff that does not help you be a better field shooter. My take is that 12x is plenty to shoot paper and more than I need for 99% of western hunting. Mine would likely stay on 6x for hunting if the reticle is appropriate and would likely never get turned up above 10x in the field.

 

[ElPollo]

Mike,

That's assuming that everyone "sees" as well as you do.

And that everyone is hunting in the same terrain (soil, rock, and veg) as a background.

Jason

The issue of how well you can see is more related to reticle design than magnification. If the reticle is useable at lower magnification (6-10), higher magnification does nothing positive for you unless you are shooting past 1000 yards. How many people should even be trying something like that on game? Certainly not me.

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

If you shot the size of deer I shoot, you would need high zoom too.

I killed this Great Dane sized coues deer at 530 yards with a fixed 6 power scope. Horrible up hill angle and he was popping in and out of thick ocotillos and cats claw. Deer don’t get smaller than these…

 

[wapitibob]

If I picked a zoom level or reticle based on needing a follow up shot, I'd spend more time learning how to shoot and less time telling everybody else what they needed.