Would you buy this scope?

[NSI]

What are you talking about? It ain’t rocket science. You shoulder your rifle, if it’s setup properly, it points to your target. I hate that you’re having problems doing that. Maybe with some practice or setting your rifle/scope up to fit you better may help you. Good luck with your issues that you’re having with it.

Hell, I'll bite. A few clarifying questions:

1) What magnifications at what ranges are you using?
2) Do those mags change for steel vs animals?
3) What cartridges are you shooting at these mags?
4) What is your average reticle deflection in mils, observed after the recoil cycle prior to re-aiming?
5) Where, relatively speaking, in the reticle, does the target appear after the recoil cycle when shooting prone at these mags and distances? Does it ever not appear? Has that ever been a problem on animals?
6) Same as 5, but for field positions less stable than prone - such as seated supported, seated unsupported, tripod, off-hand, etc.

Appreciate you engaging,
-J

 

[NSI]

The special orders had to come through Eurooptic as they were the only US dealer. Eurooptic was great to deal with, but working with S&B is not a quick process. A person shouldn't order through them if they aren't patient and understanding of the fact that timelines/production schedule for S&B should be taken with a grain of salt...the size of a 50 lb mineral block.

For me, it was worth the wait and the $. Yesterday I switched one of them over to the rifle I'll do most of my hunting with this year. I'd had a NXS 2.5-10x42 on it, it fit the purpose of the rifle and I'd been shooting it all summer...but kept thinking about how I prefer the PMII.

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I hate to derail the thread, but could you point me to a thread which describes the characteristics of this optic? Or list them quickly in reply? (weight, price, reticle, turrets, ordering instructions etc.)

Thanks,
-J

 

[ElPollo]

What are you talking about? It ain’t rocket science. You shoulder your rifle, if it’s setup properly, it points to your target. I hate that you’re having problems doing that. Maybe with some practice or setting your rifle/scope up to fit you better may help you. Good luck with your issues that you’re having with it.

I’m curious what your motivation is for posting on this site since you seem to know all the answers to everything and yet don’t seem to provide any useful information for anything. It appears you just like being a shit-stirring internet troll. That seems like a pretty sad existence. But you get to choose who you want to be.

 

[Runwilderness]

I hate to derail the thread, but could you point me to a thread which describes the characteristics of this optic? Or list them quickly in reply? (weight, price, reticle, turrets, ordering instructions etc.)

Thanks,
-J

Correction: wrong scope; link below is not the PIi

Ups, da ist was schief gegangen!

www.schmidtundbender.de

 

[amassi]

Ups, da ist was schief gegangen!

www.schmidtundbender.de

That’s the klassik
He was referring to a fixed 6x PMII


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[HighUintas]

Ups, da ist was schief gegangen!

www.schmidtundbender.de

Sweet. Anyone care to give the price on those when ordering through Eurooptic?

Edit: I see now the special order referred to is PMII. Still wondering about price

 

[JGRaider]

I’m curious what your motivation is for posting on this site since you seem to know all the answers to everything and yet don’t seem to provide any useful information for anything. It appears you just like being a shit-stirring internet troll. That seems like a pretty sad existence. But you get to choose who you want to be.

It was an appropriate answer to a stupid question that you asked. It should be second nature to shoulder your rifle and get a clear FOV if, as he mentioned, your gear is set up correctly. You whine more than my neighbor's 7 year old daughter.

 

[NSI]

Christ you people are going to drive me off this damn site. Quit it.

-J

 

[svivian]

Christ you people are going to drive me off this damn site. Quit it.

-J

You’re surprised?

 

[ElPollo]

It was an appropriate answer to a stupid question that you asked. It should be second nature to shoulder your rifle and get a clear FOV if, as he mentioned, your gear is set up correctly. You whine more than my neighbor's 7 year old daughter.

I’m unsure why asking him to tell me why high magnification scopes are better for spotting impacts or getting on target quickly is a stupid question. If you agree with him, you’re welcome to defend his opinion. He chose not to.

 

[wapitibob]

The fascination with spotting impacts and needing follow up shots is entertaining if nothing else.

 

[Petergon]

Scope specs:

FFP 3-12x40 to 3-12x44mm

Consistently holds zero through 3-foot drops and 3,000 rounds of constant use.

The reticle is specially designed for 25 to 600 yards, with bold outer posts and correct center aiming references.

Zero Stop

Low profile top turret.

Capped windage.

Large eye box

Good glass

20oz


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Yes

 

[atmat]

The fascination with spotting impacts and needing follow up shots is entertaining if nothing else.

“The ability to see where you shoot is entertaining.”

 

[Bluumoon]

“The ability to see where you shoot is entertaining.”

It is in fact entertaining and enlightening.

 

[amassi]

Sweet. Anyone care to give the price on those when ordering through Eurooptic?

Edit: I see now the special order referred to is PMII. Still wondering about price

Fixed 6 klassik $979


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[Ryan Avery]

Christ you people are going to drive me off this damn site. Quit it.

-J

Everyone is awesome until they are tested...

 

[WKR]

The fascination with spotting impacts and needing follow up shots is entertaining if nothing else.

Its an absolute necessity for me. I frequently hunt alone without a spotter.

 

[Clarktar]

For $500 I would buy three. Let's see the reticle drawlings

 

[wapitibob]

Its an absolute necessity for me. I frequently hunt alone without a spotter.

And that makes sense for you and how you hunt. I don't see my impacts, never have, and most likely never will. It's a non issue at this point. It would be fun to see them but other than form, I'm not changing anything. I turned the knob down to 10 last Friday before I shot my Pronghorn, it didn't stay there very long.

 

[JCMCUBIC]

I hate to derail the thread, but could you point me to a thread which describes the characteristics of this optic? Or list them quickly in reply? (weight, price, reticle, turrets, ordering instructions etc.)

Thanks,
-J

Below is a link to the original special order sale, with specs/price in the first post. As typical of optics related posts, the thread turns into a lot of fussing....

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/printthread/Board/16/main/874571/type/thread

A couple of notes on the specs that differ from that post:
Weight is ~19 oz, not the ~16 listed
Eye relief is ~80mm, not the 90mm listed

You would need to contact Eurooptic regarding current pricing. They will contact S&B and get a quote. The pricing listed by CameraLand for the special order gives you a good idea of what it was...no telling what it is now.