Would you buy this scope?

[N2TRKYS]

I like higher magnification. I’ve never once had any trouble getting on target with them, but all my rifles fit me and point correctly.

I can shoot 600 yards with a fixed 6x, but do it better with higher magnification.

 

[Billy Goat]

Not right now.

1. Not enough magnification for me.

2. You guys dropped the ball getting the stock out. Couldn’t imagine this would be any different.

To be fair, I think this is getting shopped out, just trying to get someone to do it.


I have the same sentiments, but I think this will be coming from a brand.


If it's an "exclusive" and only available from one place, I'll be a lot more hesitant unless they are shipping within 48 hrs, assuming positive reviews.


And once I got used to it, 10x has been fine for me shooting groundhogs to 400, so a max of 10-12x doesn't bother me at all anymore for most of what I'd be doing with a hunting scope.

 

[ElPollo]

If I picked a zoom level or reticle based on needing a follow up shot, I'd spend more time learning how to shoot and less time telling everybody else what they needed.

I actually said high zoom levels make it slower to get on target, harder to spot your impacts, and slower to get on target for follow-up shots. Which part do you disagree with and why?

 

[Hondo64d]

All:

It’s a serious question from Ryan. This is not just a feeler post. No presale or other nonsense.


If a 3-12x40’ish mil/mil scope was offered that was consistently reliable and durable, was tested heavily, had multiple reticles that were truly usable/visible from 3-12x, a good/great eyebox and DOF, low profile zero stop elevation and capped windage; and was under $1,500- would you buy it?

Yes.

John

 

[mtwarden]

Did you hold over or dial, just curious. Very cool Sheep for sure and certain.

Hold over. I wasn’t going to shoot anything over 500 yards. I was really hoping for a 200 yard and under shot, but that didn’t happen. Range work payed off immensely

 

[Peaks&Creeks]

Yes I’d want one


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[grizz19]

I guess your only supposed to comment on here if you like low mag scopes and are interested in this one

Personally never had an issue getting on target with scopes up to 18x. I’ve watched a pig react to impact from a 7 rem mag at 250 yards at 15x. Maybe recoil affects some people more than others.

 

[Dave0317]

I guess your only supposed to comment on here if you like low mag scopes and are interested in this one

Personally never had an issue getting on target with scopes up to 18x. I’ve watched a pig react to impact from a 7 rem mag at 250 yards at 15x. Maybe recoil affects some people more than others.

You can comment on anything, anywhere, but the OP asked who was interested in a scope with a specific set of specs that don’t exist in the current market. So suggesting something different (and that already exists) is of course going to be met with discussion on the pros and cons of those choices. Make the post, then be ready to discuss why you are right and why the OPs idea of making a new and different scope is not ideal.

If scopes with high top end mag, large zoom ratio, and small eye box work well for you, keep doing what you are doing. You are in luck, lots of them are already out there.

 

[N2TRKYS]

You can comment on anything, anywhere, but the OP asked who was interested in a scope with a specific set of specs that don’t exist in the current market. So suggesting something different (and that already exists) is of course going to be met with discussion on the pros and cons of those choices. Make the post, then be ready to discuss why you are right and why the OPs idea of making a new and different scope is not ideal.

If scopes with high top end mag, large zoom ratio, and small eye box work well for you, keep doing what you are doing. You are in luck, lots of them are already out there.

Who makes high magnification scopes that are 20 ounces, meets the drop test, returns to zero, with good glass, and are less than $1500?

 

[Shortschaf]

Who makes high magnification scopes that are 20 ounces, meets the drop test, returns to zero, with good glass, and are less than $1500?

Plenty of 15x or higher options that meet all characteristics EXCEPT the weight. The most bare bones option in existance (3-15 swfa) is still 24oz.

Realize there are not any options even at 12x top end that meet all the goals. High magnification brings a weight penalty, so at this stage it is kind of wishful thinking to ask for 15x and higher.

The described scope seems feasible. Stretching the specs (mag range, zoom ratio, objective size) will quickly make it not feasible

 

[N2TRKYS]

Plenty of 15x or higher options that meet all characteristics EXCEPT the weight.

Not according to the guy I quoted. He’s said a few times that folks asking for higher magnification under these new scope specs already had plenty of options. I would be interested in one of those higher magnification scopes that met the new scope specs. That’s why I asked him who makes them.

 

[GoatPackr]

Sign me up. Preferably same or lower cost than the Maven RS1.2

Is this something that will be branded Shoot2Hunt?

 

[walk2112]

See2Aim2Shoot2Hunt

 

[Macintosh]

… Great Dane sized coues deer…. Deer don’t get smaller than these…

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If thats not a challenge, I dont know what is…great danes arent that small!

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

If thats not a challenge, I dont know what is…great danes arent that small!

Large male great danes are taller at the shoulder and weigh significantly more than the average coues deer. Folks don't realize the scale until you get one on the ground. They are much closer in size and weight to a large dog than they are to a mule deer or non-coues whitetail deer.

Lots of guys carry them out on their shoulder a take smaller bucks back to camp whole, with guts out and hide on to protect the meat; if it's not too hot and the hike is short enough. As per this buck below that I packed down the hill to an ATV for an injured friend. This deer was killed at 550 yards with the same fixed 6 SWFA, on the same ridgeline, a few days after the previous buck was killed.

 

[4th_point]

The issue of how well you can see is more related to reticle design than magnification. If the reticle is useable at lower magnification (6-10), higher magnification does nothing positive for you unless you are shooting past 1000 yards. How many people should even be trying something like that on game? Certainly not me.

The reticle isn't the issue.

There are a lot of people, especially at Rokslide for some reason, who judge other's equipment needs based on their own perception and previous experience. I was guilty of that for many years, especially hunting in areas with similar terrain, soil, and veg.

There are places here in OR where you can see deer antlers well at dang near a mile with good 8x binocs (green wheat fields) or at least get an idea of structure based on the beams depending on the resolution of the system.

But travel a bit east to the high desert and you may struggle to see elk antlers at 600-800 with the same 8-10x binocs and definitely have a hard time with deer antlers at 400-500 due to the coloration of the soil, rock, and veg. They simply blend in, and almost vanish. More magnification helps, or certain contrast or color cast in the optic.

Also factor in low light, glare, or dirty air!

You may say that a riflescope is not for viewing, and that is true. However, when you flop down on the dirt to shoot you may need to quickly get on the one single buck that you picked out in your spotting scope.

If you can barely see antlers with 8x or 10x binocs, how will a 6x scope do better? The deer might be browsing, moving, and not sitting around waiting to be shot! If there are multiple bucks, you need to locate the desired buck quick or they may crest a ridge and be gone.

I have better than 20/20 vision and had a heck of a time keep track of a buck at ~500 with Swaro 8x42. My 10x SWFA was certainly no better.

The reticle was not the issue.

 

[ElPollo]

The reticle isn't the issue.

There are a lot of people, especially at Rokslide for some reason, who judge other's equipment needs based on their own perception and previous experience. I was guilty of that for many years, especially hunting in areas with similar terrain, soil, and veg.

There are places here in OR where you can see deer antlers well at dang near a mile with good 8x binocs (green wheat fields) or at least get an idea of structure based on the beams depending on the resolution of the system.

But travel a bit east to the high desert and you may struggle to see elk antlers at 600-800 with the same 8-10x binocs and definitely have a hard time with deer antlers at 400-500 due to the coloration of the soil, rock, and veg. They simply blend in, and almost vanish. More magnification helps, or certain contrast or color cast in the optic.

Also factor in low light, glare, or dirty air!

You may say that a riflescope is not for viewing, and that is true. However, when you flop down on the dirt to shoot you may need to quickly get on the one single buck that you picked out in your spotting scope.

If you can barely see antlers with 8x or 10x binocs, how will a 6x scope do better? The deer might be browsing, moving, and not sitting around waiting to be shot! If there are multiple bucks, you need to locate the desired buck quick or they may crest a ridge and be gone.

I have better than 20/20 vision and had a heck of a time keep track of a buck at ~500 with Swaro 8x42. My 10x SWFA was certainly no better.

The reticle was not the issue.

I will agree there are some occasions where more magnification can be helpful. However, it does not change the fact that increased magnification negatively affects your time to acquire a target and your ability to spot your impacts. There is no free lunch available. Everything you change about a scope has both positive and negative impacts.

I am not saying you or others haven’t had that experience you describe. I’ve just had and watched a lot of other people have way more trouble finding their target because of too much magnification from their rifle scope.

I am also not by any means saying that you shouldn’t have the option to buy or use high magnification scopes or fine reticles. Those things already exist from multiple manufacturers at multiple price points and aren’t going away. I was discussing the merits of the scope Ryan is proposing and why I think it’s worth him getting it made, and why I’d give him my money for it.

 

[N2TRKYS]

I will agree there are some occasions where more magnification can be helpful. However, it does not change the fact that increased magnification negatively affects your time to acquire a target and your ability to spot your impacts. There is no free lunch available. Everything you change about a scope has both positive and negative impacts.

I am not saying you or others haven’t had that experience you describe. I’ve just had and watched a lot of other people have way more trouble finding their target because of too much magnification from their rifle scope.

I am also not by any means saying that you shouldn’t have the option to buy or use high magnification scopes or fine reticles. Those things already exist from multiple manufacturers at multiple price points and aren’t going away. I was discussing the merits of the scope Ryan is proposing and why I think it’s worth him getting it made, and why I’d give him my money for it.

Sounds like a user issue, not a scope issue. I’ve never had issues finding my target with higher magnification scopes.

 

[ElPollo]

Sounds like a user issue, not a scope issue. I’ve never had issues finding my target with higher magnification scopes.

Please share with us your approach to getting on target quickly with a high magnification rifle scope, spotting your impacts, and making follow-up shots as required.

 

[Halligan]

Scope specs:

FFP 3-12x40 to 3-12x44mm

Consistently holds zero through 3-foot drops and 3,000 rounds of constant use.

The reticle is specially designed for 25 to 600 yards, with bold outer posts and correct center aiming references.

Zero Stop

Low profile top turret.

Capped windage.

Large eye box

Good glass

20oz


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Based on the above---> Yes, totally in on the concept assuming that parralax adjustment is included

In regard to price, in my mind, needs to be at Maven's price point or below, mainly since grad school is doing a great job at gnawing into my wallet (for anyone considering it... run... hide in the woods). Joking aside, I would probably replace 2-3 scopes with something like this.

Additionally, I think it was Marbles that made mention of a 2-8x version, and I think this would be the secret sauce that would open up the east of the Mississippi market drastically. I say this because its a bear trying to find something that works from snowtracking in the Adirondacks, to the mountains and farmfields.