Why is the .270 dying?

[Formidilosus]

Here is your quoted comment for you to read again. You need to read my original entire post again and then reread again since your comprehension is lacking.

No doubt it is.

You always seem to disregard others when it doesn’t suit what you think is your expert opinion.

Really? Please post an actual conversation or argument that I disregarded where factual, demonstrable information was given.

Seems to be your style to conveniently not remember what you wrote or what you stated when you are challenged.There was way more going on in the 1950’s and 1960’s in cartridge development than today.

This is what I wrote-

The amount of people that understood anything about what we see as modern case designs could have fit at a family dining table in the 1950/60’s.

There is nothing “modern” about a Weatherby or 7mm REM Mag, or a 300wm blown out and necked down to 7mm.

Go ahead and name the people before the 1950’s that knew what is now known about modern case designs and chamber/throat dimensions.

Dude you are not the expert you claim to be or want to be. Why anyone values your opinions amazes me!

Hmmm. Please post a single time that I have said I was an expert on anything. For fun, please educate me on what factual statement I have made that you believe are incorrect.

 

[MtnW]

Go ahead and name the people before the 1950’s that knew what is now knowing about modern case designs and chamber/throat dimensions.

 

[MtnW]

Perfect example above . Now you conveniently changed your quote dates to “Before the 1950’s” , where your original was 1950-1960’s.
You are not a self proclaimed internet expert??? Really? You comment on about every third gun/scope/shooting related post. By the way are you ever going to show us pics of the game you hunted and killed outside of the one small branch antlered elk?
Carry on as the self proclaimed internet shooting expert.

 

[Formidilosus]

Perfect example above . Now you conveniently changed your quote dates to “Before the 1950’s” , where your original was 1950-1960’s.

You don’t even quote it correct. I didn’t change anything- every person can go look at what I originally wrote.

You are not a self proclaimed internet expert??? Really? You comment on about every third gun/scope/shooting related post.

Hmm. I’ll have to pump those numbers up.

By the way are you ever going to show us pics of the game you hunted and killed outside of the one small branch antlered elk?

Haha. Do what? THAT is your massive “proof”. There are probably 200 pics of different big game animals I have posted on here. You don’t even make sense.

Everything you wrote here anyone in 5 minutes can see is outright false.

Carry on as the self proclaimed internet shooting expert.

So I guess you won’t educate me on what factual statements I have made that you believe are incorrect?

 

[MtnW]

You don’t even quote it correct. I didn’t change anything- every person can go look at what I originally wrote.



Hmm. I’ll have to pump those numbers up.




Do what? There are probably 200 pics of different big game animals I have posted on here. You don’t even make sense.

Everything you wrote here anyone in 5 minutes can see is 100% false.





So I guess you won’t educate me on what factual statements I have made that you believe are incorrect?

Over time people like yourself self destruct on the internet. Go ahead and pump yourself up. Wantabe internet influencers are a dime a dozen. Arrogance usually is one of the first signs of insecurities . You my internet adversary have plenty of arrogance. Maybe some of the Napoleon complex too?

 

[Formidilosus]

Over time people like yourself self destruct on the internet. Go ahead and pump yourself up. Wantabe internet influencers are a dime a dozen. Arrogance usually is one of the first signs of insecurities . You my internet adversary have plenty of arrogance. Maybe some of the Napoleon complex too?

Per usual.

 

[Ganderzone]

Ultimately I believe the gun manufacturers are largely following suit to the ammo manufacturers. Browning is making a fast twist 270 win that allows for extended length in the magazine and faster twist, if the rifle manufacturers start to adopt this concept you will see a resurgence of some of the legacy cartridges. Imagine a long throated 30/06 with extended magazine length, correct twist and a throat in a factory rifle. My hunch is the next craze will be updating legacy cartridges and marketing them as the next best thing.

 

[Smithb9841]

Ultimately I believe the gun manufacturers are largely following suit to the ammo manufacturers. Browning is making a fast twist 270 win that allows for extended length in the magazine and faster twist, if the rifle manufacturers start to adopt this concept you will see a resurgence of some of the legacy cartridges. Imagine a long throated 30/06 with extended magazine length, correct twist and a throat in a factory rifle. My hunch is the next craze will be updating legacy cartridges and marketing them as the next best thing.

That could be possible I wonder how companies would differentiate which new loads will only work in newer rifles with faster twist and need a longer mag box?

For the record I really like the idea of a 270 shooting 170 EOL at over 2900fps.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

This doesn’t seem to be a real problem for the 5.56/.223 loads on the market. The longer heavier loads might not shoot great in an old .270, but they wouldn’t be unsafe.

Even for rifles where different loadings are unsafe, there are not that many issues. There are .45-70 loads of at least three different load ranges available on the market - some for the weakest old actions and others for more modern actions.


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[Ganderzone]

That could be possible I wonder how companies would differentiate which new loads will only work in newer rifles with faster twist and need a longer mag box?

For the record I really like the idea of a 270 shooting 170 EOL at over 2900fps.

I'd imagine they modernize the rifles/ chambers first to allow them to shoot the existing ammo and open the door to modern high bc bullets. Would we then see high bc factory loads come to market after while once there is a platform for the loads? Just thinking out loud here.

 

[Smithb9841]

This doesn’t seem to be a real problem for the 5.56/.223 loads on the market. The longer heavier loads might not shoot great in an old .270, but they wouldn’t be unsafe.

Even for rifles where different loadings are unsafe, there are not that many issues. There are .45-70 loads of at least three different load ranges available on the market - some for the weakest old actions and others for more modern actions.


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The fact some wouldn’t shoot great I don’t think would be an issue but I’d be more concerned with the loads not chambering or fitting in the mag box. I would imagine that would be a nightmare for ammo companies to deal with all the phone calls and customer service issues that would come with it.

 

[FredH]

So with standard bullets with BC's of over .500 available and muzzle speeds being close to 2900 fps with these bullets I fail to see where there is a problem with the 1-10 twist rifles. That twist stabilizes the 150 gr. Ballistic Tip which has a BC of .496. This provides a pretty darned good level of performance way out there. If you can't take care of the vast majority of shooting problems with these ballistics it's not a twist issue.

 

[The Guide]

Perfect example above . Now you conveniently changed your quote dates to “Before the 1950’s” , where your original was 1950-1960’s.
You are not a self proclaimed internet expert??? Really? You comment on about every third gun/scope/shooting related post. By the way are you ever going to show us pics of the game you hunted and killed outside of the one small branch antlered elk?
Carry on as the self proclaimed internet shooting expert.

 

[ozyclint]

A day late and a dollar short on page 17, BUT I highly doubt this cartridge is dying, it's just not fancy and cool to talk about.

Cool enough for 18 pages so far.

 

[Southern Lights]

Ultimately I believe the gun manufacturers are largely following suit to the ammo manufacturers. Browning is making a fast twist 270 win that allows for extended length in the magazine and faster twist, if the rifle manufacturers start to adopt this concept you will see a resurgence of some of the legacy cartridges. Imagine a long throated 30/06 with extended magazine length, correct twist and a throat in a factory rifle. My hunch is the next craze will be updating legacy cartridges and marketing them as the next best thing.

This year I was wanting to switch to monos as I think the writing is on the wall for lead, and I wanted to just eliminate thinking about it. All these years I've been shooting the 270 and it turns out to be a great monometal cartridge. Drives 129 LRX at about 3100 fps. It sends 110TTSX at almost 3400fps. My 30-06 drives 130TTSX at 3100 as well. The larger cases and powder capacity are not a negative if you want speed to make monos work well at longer ranges.

I have tried the 6.5CM as well with 120gr Sako Blade that is doing a respectable almost 2900fps, but the 270 LRX carries the speed further with less drift.

I think if monos become more and more required for hunting that these older cartridges could see a resurgence.

 

[flyfisher117]

I'd imagine they modernize the rifles/ chambers first to allow them to shoot the existing ammo and open the door to modern high bc bullets. Would we then see high bc factory loads come to market after while once there is a platform for the loads? Just thinking out loud here.

The issue is your average Joe, 10 rounds a year, bubbah. Bubbahs going to buy these new ammo/projectile offerings and be upset when it doesn’t work in grand pappies old deer rifle. They are then going to trash who ever made the ammo because they don’t know what they don’t know.

 

[MtnW]

So I guess you won’t educate me on what factual statements I have made that you believe are incorrect?

Haha. Do what? THAT is your massive “proof”. There are probably 200 pics of different big game animals I have posted on here.

Everything you wrote here anyone in 5 minutes can see is outright false.

Really? I guess we need everyone to read your elk hunting drama by Formidilosus on 24 Hour Campfire entitled “Thanks Montana” back on 11/25/2013 I believe it is post #8289001. You can’t make this sh** up.
It’s one of the most bizarre hunting stories ever. How anyone can have that many issues, accidents ,incidents, problems and dilemmas on a hunt is beyond belief. As you stated it was you first big game hunt. Readers need to research this “Thanks Montana” story of yours and then let’s chat about credibility.
By the way that hunt was in 2013, your first big game animal. So you are telling us in the next 12 years you killed an additional 200 big game animals ? Why can we only find one pic of you on the internet of you and some small raghorn 3x4 bull? I know many active and diligent hunters , none of them kill 20 animals a year or 200 animals in 10 years. Please share some photos with us .

You don’t even quote it correct. I didn’t change anything- every person can go look at what I originally wrote.









Everything you wrote here anyone in 5 minutes can see is outright false.

You sure about that?

So I guess you won’t educate me on what factual statements I have made that you believe are incorrect?

Let’s all read your Campfire essay “Thank You Montana” You had more issues on a 5 day elk hunt than I and my hunting companions have had on fifty elk hunts. Are you not embarrassed and feel you have lost all credibility about writing something like that on the internet? It is now archived and history

Haha. Do what? THAT is your massive “proof”. There are probably 200 pics of different big game animals I have posted on here. You don’t even make sense.

Everything you wrote here anyone in 5 minutes can see is outright false.





So I guess you won’t educate me on what factual statements I have made that you believe are incorrect?

Like I said I scoured the internet, all I can find is your Montana drama about your 1rst hunt and one pic of you and a small raghorn 3X4. Am I missing more of your internet posted hunting exploits? If so I sure wish you will share them with us plus your 10 year 200 big game animal kills.

 

[MTMeatHunter]

Really? I guess we need everyone to read your elk hunting drama by Formidilosus on 24 Hour Campfire entitled “Thanks Montana” back on 11/25/2013 I believe it is post #8289001. You can’t make this sh** up.
It’s one of the most bizarre hunting stories ever. How anyone can have that many issues, accidents ,incidents, problems and dilemmas on a hunt is beyond belief. As you stated it was you first big game hunt. Readers need to research this “Thanks Montana” story of yours and then let’s chat about credibility.
By the way that hunt was in 2013, your first big game animal. So you are telling us in the next 12 years you killed an additional 200 big game animals ? Why can we only find one pic of you on the internet of you and some small raghorn 3x4 bull? I know many active and diligent hunters , none of them kill 20 animals a year or 200 animals in 10 years. Please share some photos with us .



You sure about that?

Let’s all read your Campfire essay “Thank You Montana” You had more issues on a 5 day elk hunt than I and my hunting companions have had on fifty elk hunts. Are you not embarrassed and feel you have lost all credibility about writing something like that on the internet? It is now archived and history

Like I said I scoured the internet, all I can find is your Montana drama about your 1rst hunt and one pic of you and a small raghorn 3X4. Am I missing more of your internet posted hunting exploits? If so I sure wish you will share them with us plus your 10 year 200 big game animal kills.

You must have become a WKR posting in the traditional archery forum. You’re clearly not in the rifle forum very often…

 

[MtnW]

You must have become a WKR posting in the traditional archery forum. You’re clearly not in the rifle forum very often…

Yes, I do hunt with traditional archery. My passion is mule/horse back mountain hunting primarily with a rifle. Have you read Form’s MT elk hunting drama that he composed over on the Campfire?

 

[lantern68687]

While its true the 270 is not part of the "tactical" marketing fad, it is still a very popular cartridge.

Its a very versatile cartridge, and with the addition of higher BC bullets added to the market in the last few years, it's added long range shooting to its resume.