Vaccine?

[thinhorn_AK]

Imagine a vaccine so safe, that you have to be threatened and shamed to take it....

....For a virus thats so deadly, you need to be tested to find out if you even have it.

 

[MattB]

Imagine a vaccine so safe, that you have to be threatened and shamed to take it....

....For a virus thats so deadly, you need to be tested to find out if you even have it.

Imagine someone so ill-informed that they posted that on a public forum.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Imagine someone so ill-informed that they posted that on a public forum.

I’m sorry you feel that way.

 

[MattB]

I’m sorry you feel that way.

Brother, I am the last person you should feel sorry for. Maybe listen to the podcast on the bottom of p. 19 of this thread and learn something about the subject we are discussing?

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Brother, I am the last person you should feel sorry for. Maybe listen to the podcast on the bottom of p. 19 od this thread and learn something about the subject we are discussing?

I’ve listened to everything posted on this thread and read as much as anybody. Thank you for proving my point though....when somebody disagrees with you, all you can do is insult them. I’m sorry you need to resort to insults when somebody disagrees with you.

 

[fwafwow]

I won’t shame anyone into taking the vax. But one can get the virus and not need a test to know you have it. The odds for my survival were as advertised, but (like a topic on the podcast) I have no idea what the long term impact is of my continuing issue(s).

 

[satchamo]

Well you know what they say....when you assume....

Heres some quick facts since you seem to care:

-every restaurant where I live locally has been closed since march, 3 of them are permenently out of business because of it. I havn't been inside of a restaurant since march.

-every business in this town requires a mask to enter, so obviously I'm wearing a mask to go inside

-the post office requires a mask

-the hardware store requires a mask

-I don't wear a mask at the pumps because there's nobody near me.

Also, I'd never dream of taking an animal to a person to butcher it for me, I do that on my own in my garage, on my cutting tables.

So yes, I only wear a mask where its required. if you have a problem with that....then its your problem and only yours.

Also, I still stick by what I originally said, other peoples health is not my problem, I'm supposed to care about them, who cares about my mental health when I have to quarantine for 14 days when I'm not sick??? none of these people I'm supposed to care about have any empathy for me when I'm expected to sit in a hotel room for 14 days.

When you say “that’s your problem” you hit the nail on the head - you not wearing a mask is invading on rights of citizens to go about their lives feeling safe - or even if you are infected, actually being safe. So you’re just being a walking problem. I don’t understand where this segment of America is getting their logic.... marching around pretending like you’re a true patriot for lacking empathy and endangering others out of stubbornness. I bet you also think trump didn’t lose by 8 million votes

 

[thinhorn_AK]

When you say “that’s your problem” you hit the nail on the head - you not wearing a mask is invading on rights of citizens to go about their lives feeling safe - or even if you are infected, actually being safe. So you’re just being a walking problem. I don’t understand where this segment of America is getting their logic.... marching around pretending like you’re a true patriot for lacking empathy and endangering others out of stubbornness. I bet you also think trump didn’t lose by 8 million votes

Did you read anything I posted or is reading not something you do before responding??? I literally stated that I wear a mask nearly everywhere.

And boohoo with the empathy garbage.

 

[satchamo]

Did you read anything I posted or is reading not something you do before responding??? I literally stated that I wear a mask nearly everywhere.

And boohoo with the empathy garbage.

Of course I read all of your backpedaling - but you still had to drop in the line about “that’s your problem” which is what I was posting about....

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Of course I read all of your backpedaling - but you still had to drop in the line about “that’s your problem” which is what I was posting about....

I didn’t backpedal at all, you clearly didn’t read what I wrote or you’d realize you don’t have a point at all. If masks are required, I wear one there. If somebody wants to wear a mask where it’s not required, that’s there choice.

Try reading and keeping up with the conversation next time, also “backpedaling” I don’t think that words means what you think it does.

And also thanks again for demonstrating the insults as soon as you encounter somebody you don’t agree with, nice work!!!

 

[Troutnut]

Absolutely yes I'm taking the vaccine as soon as I can (pending its very likely approval by the FDA), but I'm in a low-risk group so I'll be near the back of the line.

It's completely irresponsible for anybody to refuse to be vaccinated unless they have a very good medical excuse and their doctor advises that it's unsafe for them personally. It's the same as with measles, polio, and many other vaccines for diseases we've nearly wiped out thanks to the vaccine. No vaccine is 100 % effective, but when we have close to 100 % of the population covered by a vaccine that's over 70 % effective or so, we can pretty much wipe out many diseases.

If only 50 % of the population gets vaccinated and Covid is still raging through the other 50 %, then people who don't deserve to are going to get sick and die, including people who couldn't get the vaccine due to medical complications and people who were unlucky enough to get the virus despite being vaccinated. (This is possible with most vaccines; they only seem to be near 100 % effective because we've vaccinated enough people to create herd immunity.)

I had very close family get very sick from this virus despite their being extremely careful themselves, because of one forced work contact with a reckless anti-masker and one mode of transmission (via a sick pet) that hasn't even been formally documented yet. It is not something to be taken lightly by anyone who cares about not killing their neighbors, grandparents, etc. Plenty of young people have died after getting the virus thinking they're in a low-risk group, and plenty more have unintentionally murdered friends and loved ones with their recklessness. We're on track to lose over a hundred 9/11s worth of American civilians to this thing, and yet a lot of people who would have run across burning lava to stick a knife in Osama bin Laden aren't even willing to wear an extra piece of cloth or get a little shot to protect their fellow citizens from a far worse threat. It's infuriating.

There are legal obstacles to the government making vaccines mandatory, but I do hope many businesses take it upon themselves to require vaccinations for people to utilize their private property, such as airplanes, universities, stores, etc. That will go a long way toward building the herd immunity we need to keep everyone safe.

 

[4rcgoat]

Absolutely yes I'm taking the vaccine as soon as I can (pending its very likely approval by the FDA), but I'm in a low-risk group so I'll be near the back of the line.

It's completely irresponsible for anybody to refuse to be vaccinated unless they have a very good medical excuse and their doctor advises that it's unsafe for them personally. It's the same as with measles, polio, and many other vaccines for diseases we've nearly wiped out thanks to the vaccine. No vaccine is 100 % effective, but when we have close to 100 % of the population covered by a vaccine that's over 70 % effective or so, we can pretty much wipe out many diseases.

If only 50 % of the population gets vaccinated and Covid is still raging through the other 50 %, then people who don't deserve to are going to get sick and die, including people who couldn't get the vaccine due to medical complications and people who were unlucky enough to get the virus despite being vaccinated. (This is possible with most vaccines; they only seem to be near 100 % effective because we've vaccinated enough people to create herd immunity.)

I had very close family get very sick from this virus despite their being extremely careful themselves, because of one forced work contact with a reckless anti-masker and one mode of transmission (via a sick pet) that hasn't even been formally documented yet. It is not something to be taken lightly by anyone who cares about not killing their neighbors, grandparents, etc. Plenty of young people have died after getting the virus thinking they're in a low-risk group, and plenty more have unintentionally murdered friends and loved ones with their recklessness. We're on track to lose over a hundred 9/11s worth of American civilians to this thing, and yet a lot of people who would have run across burning lava to stick a knife in Osama bin Laden aren't even willing to wear an extra piece of cloth or get a little shot to protect their fellow citizens from a far worse threat. It's infuriating.

There are legal obstacles to the government making vaccines mandatory, but I do hope many businesses take it upon themselves to require vaccinations for people to utilize their private property, such as airplanes, universities, stores, etc. That will go a long way toward building the herd immunity we need to keep everyone safe.

Did you really say MURDERED!! People like YOU really need to get a grip man.

 

[Sccritterkiller]

Been following the vaccine news last few days...Its seems that some kinds of booster will be needed looks like 6 months to a year they don't know. This after the 2nd shot...
None of the vaccines have proven to prevent prevent transmission...so all you folks virtue signaling that you need to get a shot to protect "the community" guess what the vaccine doesn't stop transmission.

I also see where the British government has so much faith in the vaccines they are starting a trial in Jan and are going to give patients both....

So let me gets straight...I will need to take multiple does of a rushed to market vaccine that won't stop me from carrying covid and none of the manufactures have to accept liability for any complications from it...call me a sheep, idiot, ignorant whatever...chances are I have been called worse by better folks...
HARD PASS...

 

[sndmn11]

I didn't read any of the 22 pages. I'd like to get an anti-body test when the vaccine is in solid use to see how long mine have stuck around. After that I will consider on whether or not I want to get vaccinated.

 

[NDGuy]

So let me gets straight...I will need to take multiple does of a rushed to market vaccine that won't stop me from carrying covid and none of the manufactures have to accept liability for any complications from it...call me a sheep, idiot, ignorant whatever...chances are I have been called worse by better folks...
HARD PASS...

FYI the non liability for Pharma is not a new thing.

Rushed yes BUT:

1. This is an unprecedented situation. The amount of strain on the healthcare system and economy is critical and all eyes are on finding a solution to this issue and we are nowhere near heard immunity. Nor is it likely possible.
2. Insane amounts of money, research, engineering, manufacturing, and logistics are all being injected at once
3. Vaccine trials are the parts that usually take forever because people actually need to be exposed to the virus they received a trial vaccine for. Since COVID is running so rampant, they were able to compile data very quickly.
4. Vaccine work had already been done due to COVID-19s similarities with SARS and MERS
5. The red tape from the approval chain has been lessened because all eyes are focused on this single issue in the approval process.
6. The first round of volunteers received the vaccine in May, we will have a year's worth of data around the time us normal folk will be getting it. Historically any issues with vaccines typically appeared within a few months. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2019.00594/full
7. Also frankly by the looks of it, we were incredibly lucky the virus itself is pretty stable. As of now it doesn't look like we need to worry about massive mutations causing vaccines to lose effectiveness.

Some fun reading if anyone cares
https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/06/11/clinical-trial-success-rates-phase-and-therapeutic-area-14845
Frontiers | Advances in mRNA Vaccines for Infectious Diseases | Immunology (frontiersin.org)

 

[grizz_bait]

Been following the vaccine news last few days...Its seems that some kinds of booster will be needed looks like 6 months to a year they don't know. This after the 2nd shot...
None of the vaccines have proven to prevent prevent transmission...so all you folks virtue signaling that you need to get a shot to protect "the community" guess what the vaccine doesn't stop transmission.

I also see where the British government has so much faith in the vaccines they are starting a trial in Jan and are going to give patients both....

So let me gets straight...I will need to take multiple does of a rushed to market vaccine that won't stop me from carrying covid and none of the manufactures have to accept liability for any complications from it...call me a sheep, idiot, ignorant whatever...chances are I have been called worse by better folks...
HARD PASS...

Most vaccines require multiple doses/boosters to build immunity. The general medical knowledge of the public is that of a 2nd grader. Your comment demonstrates that. We're talking 101 level information here.

 

[Blueeyes]

I think i'll just chill for the first few weeks or even months and hear from people who have taken the vax then i should get my answer if i should or not

 

[Bobbyboe]

Some real peckers posting here! People need to stop with the insults or this tread will be shut down too. My God, this is getting to be like Twitter.....

 

[whaack]

The really scary thing is when places like restaurants, hotels, airlines etc won’t allow you to enter or use their services without proof you’ve had a vaccine.

Then it becomes a normalized event. Next year and the year after. With each new virus there will be lockdowns snd vaccine mandates.

Is this really the world we want to live in? All for a virus that nearly every single medical professional who is on the ground dealing with COVID has told me “use reasonable precautions. Wash your hand. This thing is completely off the tracks with regards to the fear people have. “.

For these reasons snd many others my family will not be getting the vaccine.


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[Ozarkansas]

Been following the vaccine news last few days...Its seems that some kinds of booster will be needed looks like 6 months to a year they don't know. This after the 2nd shot...
None of the vaccines have proven to prevent prevent transmission...so all you folks virtue signaling that you need to get a shot to protect "the community" guess what the vaccine doesn't stop transmission.

I also see where the British government has so much faith in the vaccines they are starting a trial in Jan and are going to give patients both....

I've seen the "Hasn't been proven to prevent transmission" argument a lot recently and I think it's kind of an empty claim. In most of these studies scientists aren't deliberately infecting anybody so there's really no way the could prove it prevents transmission. But if it's triggering an immune response in your body and preventing you from getting the disease, it's really hard to see how transmission could still be possible.

The Brits will have like 40K people vaccinated by the end of the week and 4 million by the end of the year. That's a pretty huge sample size. If we're looking at a spring roll-out for the vaccine here (to the general public), I'm thinking many of your concerns about vaccine effectiveness will be answered by then, one way or another.