The response Jake and Ryan asked for concerning "why not use vulgarity?"

[AZ_Hunter]

Western civilization has historically championed and encouraged maturity among men. Men should be warrior poets, not orcs. You can be athletic and a great salesman or elk hunter or have a successful business or podcast and a thousand other things, and not be a mature man. But what you cannot do, is ask mature men to see you as a fellow man, when you are not. It's easy to be a big strong old boy. Being a man requires some discipline over yourself and over your desire to stay a boy.

If a man-eating lion got loose in America, he'd starve to death.

1 Corinthians 13:11. Some of y'all need to put away childish things.

I don’t disagree. However, what does any of that have to do with certain words being said or a certain type of humor?

Nothing.

 

[Turkeytider]

The fact that they have to ask, "Why not use vulgarity?" says it all right there. They KNOW it's wrong and are hoping enough people justify it.....most people won't, period.

Asking the question, at least to me , implies that it’s a CHOICE to use it as opposed to being intellectually and cognitively incapable of NOT using it. I can only assume that they feel that it somehow makes their podcasts more appealing to a segment of their potential audience. If one subscribes to the belief that the liberal use of s&#t and f*&k , and derivatives thereof, is a normal component of the vernacular in everyday speech of a segment of their audience, then maybe that’s the motivation. Or, maybe it’s no more than just another indication of the continuing degradation of manners and civility in our society.

 

[JGRaider]

If it is in fact a choice, that makes the decision even worse. Nothing like alienating at least half of your potential customer base. Sound like a page taken right out of the late night "comedy" show playbook......it aint working BTW.

 

[Turkeytider]

I don’t disagree. However, what does any of that have to do with certain words being said or a certain type of humor?

Nothing.

Well, I think he’s alluding to the use of foul language, deliberately, as an indication of immaturity. Of course, one can always go back to Lenny Bruce and George Carlin and their deliberate use of “ forbidden “ language in their acts. That was simply for shock value in a VERY conservative time in our society , at least IMO.

 

[AZ_Hunter]

The whole argument is subjective and arbitrary.

 

[Amos Keeto]

Justin Wilson, Cajun philosopher, often stated, "There's nothing wrong with a real good 'hell' or a 'damn' every now and then."
His stories and routines were well seasoned with the words. Few found his stories offensive.

Profanity is one thing, vulgarity quite another.

A man that can't express himself without cursing is poorly educated and NOT a gentleman.

 

[Radford]

On the Shoot to Hunt Podcast, Ryan and Jake responded to questions about their consistent use of vulgarity. I believe is was Jake that asked for a case against the constant use of vulgarity and profanity. I'm not sure how many Roksliders are in a position to do this. Being a theologian with a background in classics, moral philosophy and so on, I thought I'd make an offering.
Ask: would anyone be willing to read it and offer suggestions before I offer it to Jake and Ryan, or post it (if I put it somewhere public, I won't refer to Ryan and Jake, unless I think it will create good web traffic for them)?

Warning, it is 13 pages single spaced. I've tried to make a mostly non-religious argument, and Included what I think are the most noble reasons to use profanity and vulgarity, so as not to demonize it. PM me if you're interested.

I'd be interested to read your thoughts on it. A mans speech should be aimed toward truth and good. Vulgarity will water your soul down.

 

[WRO]

Are we still fukkin talking about this? Turn the channel if you bleed once a month..


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[bojangles808]

the swearing is a little annoying now that I have a kid. but I just turn the fader up and have gotten really good about anticipating when Ryan is going to say f*** or something is g**

 

[BLJ]

the swearing is a little annoying now that I have a kid. but I just turn the fader up and have gotten really good about anticipating when Ryan is going to say f*** or something is g**

In what context is the second used?

 

[mtnwrunner]

Man, it's really very very very simple. I can't speak for Ryan or Jake but if I was a betting man, this thread won't change the way they communicate. Listen or don't listen.

At a recent staff meeting, the subject of using the eff word came up as apparently it gets tossed around a bit and admin basically wants to quell it. My boss chuckles a bit and says, "well, my crew consists of ex cops, ex loggers, and ex construction workers. Yeah, ill mention it to them."

Randy

 

[IDVortex]

Man, it's really very very very simple. I can't speak for Ryan or Jake but if I was a betting man, this thread won't change the way they communicate. Listen or don't listen.

At a recent staff meeting, the subject of using the eff word came up as apparently it gets tossed around a bit and admin basically wants to quell it. My boss chuckles a bit and says, "well, my crew consists of ex cops, ex loggers, and ex construction workers. Yeah, ill mention it to them."

Randy

Only time swearing wasn't allowed was in general public. I think if admin tried to end the use of Profanity, they'd be having to look for a entire new road crew.

 

[mtnwrunner]

Only time swearing wasn't allowed was in general public. I think if admin tried to end the use of Profanity, they'd be having to look for a entire new road crew.

And thats a fact.

 

[Turkeytider]

Justin Wilson, Cajun philosopher, often stated, "There's nothing wrong with a real good 'hell' or a 'damn' every now and then."
His stories and routines were well seasoned with the words. Few found his stories offensive.

Profanity is one thing, vulgarity quite another.

A man that can't express himself without cursing is poorly educated and NOT a gentleman.

And I personally don’t think that most people are put off by a “ hell “ or a “ damn “ on occasion, particularly in certain situations, they just seem to fit , IMHO. Routine use of vulgarity, particularly use of certain words, is another story for a whole lot of folks.
I pulled up one of their podcasts. Just sounded like a couple of overgrown juveniles to me.

 

[KurtR]

As you mf ers keep posting on here and Ryan is stacking benjis

 

[IDVortex]

As you mf ers keep posting on here and Ryan is stacking benjis

What is the saying. 'If you're not paying for the service, than you are the product'? Something along those lines?

 

[Steve O]

In what context is the second used?

95% 6.5 Creedmore

 

[Steve O]

And BTW, the “swearers” are putting up a much more passionate “argument” than the “clean” dudes. Almost “Karen” like.

The clean proponents all are pretty middle of the road and would prefer it cleaned up but still listen and filter out the cussing unless they are protecting their kids.

Bastards!!!

 

[nagibson1]

Man, it's really very very very simple. I can't speak for Ryan or Jake but if I was a betting man, this thread won't change the way they communicate. Listen or don't listen.

At a recent staff meeting, the subject of using the eff word came up as apparently it gets tossed around a bit and admin basically wants to quell it. My boss chuckles a bit and says, "well, my crew consists of ex cops, ex loggers, and ex construction workers. Yeah, ill mention it to them."

Randy

Randy, I just want to iterate what seem to keeps getting lost: the OP was not a complaint about Jake and Ryan's Profanity and Vulgarity. I asked for feedback on something Jake explicitly asked for in a podcast in a genuine and somewhat challenging way: whether there was a good argument not to use P&V. I did not complain about his language to anyone, write in, or insert myself uninvited.
I think ethical considerations are incredibly important, but I don't wish to press where I'm not invited any more than others want me to supply what they do not demand. Since Jake asked for it, I took him at his word that he is genuinely interested.
I've also had some good PM convos with guys that have been interested.