Special Interest group stealing Co resident tags

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Here is a cut and paste but if you are a resident of Colorado you need to be aware of this. The post is kinda long but well worth the read if you are a Colorado Resident and like to hunt.

If you are not aware there is a movement in the Colorado Wildlife Commission to decrease the allocation of resident tags. What is disturbing is that the Commissioners and special interests have "huddled" up to do this with as little of input from resident hunters as they can.

Below is the record from the last commission meeting min as well as a Denver Post article where some of the Commissioner have been "extremely lucky" and received over 1 million $ in Gov't Grants and handouts..

All resident hunters should be extremely upset by this push and we all need to band together, write letters, and do what ever it takes to stop this tag grab. The next commission meeting is September 11 th in Glenwood Springs.

Thanks

Here is the DENVER POST article about the tag grab and the lucky Robert Bray.

To observers at recent Colorado Wildlife Commission meetings, it's come to be known as "the huddle," this strategic gathering of two commissioners and two key representatives of the agricultural community.

Heads wag knowingly as the quartet - commissioners Robert Bray and Bob Shoemaker, along with T. Wright Dickinson of the Colorado Cattleman's Association and Garin Bray of the Colorado Farm Bureau - drift off to coordinate their efforts toward skimming more valuable deer and elk licenses for resale by landowners.

On the surface, there's nothing unusual about a wildlife commissioner assuming a position of advocacy on various issues. Robert Bray and Shoemaker were appointed to the 11-member policy-making body specifically as agriculturalists, reflecting an enduring political culture in which farmers and ranchers seek uncommon sway in wildlife affairs.

Nor is it remarkable to find agents of the state's primary husbandry organizations hammering the commission for a bigger slice of a license pie that grows more valuable each year. That particular exercise began more than three decades ago, and ranchers have been sharpening their pencils ever since.

What becomes increasingly disturbing is the appearance of a conflict of interest that looms larger with two recent developments. One involves two major government grants to Bray worth more than $1 million. Another is tangled in the latest hot-button debate over landowner preference.

Through the Colorado Species Conservation Program administered by the Colorado Division of Wildlife, Bray this year was awarded an allotment valued at approximately $800,000 to facilitate habitat development for the threatened Gunnison sage grouse on 900 acres of a large sheep and cattle ranch he operates near Redvale in the southwest corner of the state. Funding comes in part from a Great Outdoors Colorado grant, the rest from matching federal funds.

By all accounts, Bray's property contains prime grouse habitat suitable for inclusion in a recovery effort. It must be noted that the negotiation began long before he became a wildlife commissioner last March, but that certain elements remain unsettled. DOW officials say the exact dollar amount hasn't been determined.

Further, the deal is contingent upon Bray maintaining certain standards on the property subject to oversight by DOW. This puts the wildlife agency on shaky ground should these considerations put it at odds with a man who stands as one of its bosses. Can DOW actually hold Bray's feet to the fire if he hedges on the agreement?

Clearly, the recipient of a rich DOW grant now sits in judgment of the agency that gave it.

Things get stickier from here.

More recently, Bray, a remarkably lucky fellow, received another grant - this for $311,175 directly from Great Outdoors Colorado - for a conservation easement on a separate parcel of the ranch to ensure against future development, also for grouse protection.

This also is a process that began long before Bray was chosen for the wildlife commission in March, but the final vote of approval came just weeks ago. That's where Dickinson comes in. Owner of a large ranch in Moffat County, Dickinson is an elected county commissioner and appears often at various wildlife meetings, either as a stockman advocate or critic of the DOW.

More to the point, Dickinson also is a member of the GoCo Board of Directors; this month, he voted in favor of giving Bray more than $300,000. The two collude openly in an effort to expand the voucher system by which ranchers get off-the-top permits for the most prized deer and elk licenses.

This involves a two-part pilot program initiated in response to landowner demands. DOW proposes a test in Unit 10 by which ranchers get more elk vouchers while hosting public hunters. A second provision gives eastern Colorado landowners additional family-only tags for antelope. The "huddlers" immediately pushed to include several other West Slope units in the pilot and to expand the family tags to include deer.

Expansion of the pilot program is roundly viewed as a clever wedge to get ranchers the added vouchers they failed to obtain through a power play last fall, blunted by a sportsman uprising. A similar attempt earlier this year through a License Allocation Working Group stacked toward commercial interests also crashed, again from opposition by the hunting rank and file.

The quartet seemed to sway the commission at a November meeting in Greeley, but sentiment appeared to turn when sportsmen finally joined the debate at the December gathering.

Bray receives a substantial number of deer vouchers for sale from his ranch - DOW won't say how many - and potentially would benefit financially from any future percentage increase in vouchers. Dickinson's ranch would profit immediately and directly from Bray's proposal to expand the pilot to include units requiring five or more preference points.

Despite a familial connection and the obvious aspect of complicity, Garin Bray, Robert Bray's daughter and a representative of the Colorado Farm Bureau, was given one of the 15 seats on the LAWG and became a vocal advocate of a proposal to allow substantially more of these vouchers.

Yet when Robert Bray was asked at that Dec. 8 commission meeting about possible conflicts of interest, he bridled at the suggestion.

"I'll excuse myself from any vote that involves any conflict," Bray snapped before hurrying away.

The fact remains he already has spoken proactively and often on voucher issues that benefit himself and Dickinson, his ally and benefactor.

The question also arises why the administration would appoint a man in line to receive more than $1 million in state conservation funds and scads of money from the sale of license vouchers to a commission with oversight over some of the same programs. Or why Bray would accept.

Big game hunting has become big business in Colorado; vouchers that allow high rollers to stand first in line for hard-to-get licenses sometimes sell for five figures. The voucher system - from legislative action at a time when agricultural interests held much more political sway - bestows to landowners 15 percent of the most coveted licenses right off the top, before the rest of us can bid. These vouchers are bought and sold like stock options, traded variously among ranchers and outfitters, always to the highest bidder.

More recently, landowners began pushing for an even juicier share, a move that would push ordinary hunters farther back in line behind those with money. When it comes to hunting vouchers, greed knows no limits.

What does come as a shock is the sharp change in the tenor of the wildlife commission, heretofore a balanced group that typically made the well-being of the resource and of the average license buyer its primary concerns.

Robert Bray's voice is heard more than any other commissioner these days, always for mandates that line the pockets of stockmen. When he and Shoemaker aren't speaking, Dickinson and Garin Bray parade to the podium to drive the points home.

Considering all the possibilities inherent in "the huddle," it's enough to make one wonder.
 
Landowner tags should be for the landowner's land only or zone wide for the land owner only. Whenever they are for sale to be used zone wide, you bring corruption into a system that should be fair to all. And this goes for every state.

A couple of auction tags for fund-raising is one thing, but the pay-to-play stuff is getting out of hand.
 
Here is what the CBA or Colorado Bowhunters Ass had to say about the grab.


The CBA will have representation at this meeting. This meeting will take place at the address and dates below. You may participate and contact them via the web site: http://cpw.state.co.us/aboutus/Pages/CommissionMembers.aspx

Meeting Location:
Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission
Subcommittee on Big Game License Allocation

5:00 – 6:00 PM, Thursday, September 11, 2014

Ramada Inn

124 W. 6th Street

Glenwood Springs, CO 81601

Letter Sent to Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission by the CBA BOD:
September 7, 2014

Chairman Bill Kane

Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission

6060 Broadway

Denver, CO

Re: In Regards to Big Game License Allocations and the BGSS

Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commissioners:

The Colorado Bowhunters Association would like to express their concern regarding the decision to reassess the allocation of big game licenses between resident and nonresident hunters . The Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission is responsible for making policies and decisions that protect the wildlife of this great State, and protect the interests of resident hunters. At the August Parks and Wildlife Commission meeting, a subcommittee was formed to evaluate the reallocation percentages of highly desirable elk and deer tags from residents of Colorado to nonresidents. The CBA believes that this process is not justified, and that Colorado is already more than fair to nonresident hunters compared to other western states.

In addition, the Parks and Wildlife Commission recently approved a 5% increase in landowner vouchers which will become effective in 2015. Some of that reallocation will be coming from what is now the resident draw. Until sportsmen and other interested parties in Colorado have an opportunity to see the effects of that change, other compounding changes are unwise.

We ask that the Parks and Wildlife Commission Public terminate any consideration of changing license allocation at this time. If the Parks and Wildlife Commission does choose to proceed in this review, a full public involvement in this process is vital and that a working group of all affected parties should be convened to consider this issue. The development of a subcommittee to develop allocation options without complete constituent representation could be viewed as an attempt to circumvent the outcome of the last Big Game License Allocation Work Group process. In the event of a public involvement process, the CBA would like to participate.

The Parks and Wildlife Commission is in a unique position in its responsibility to guide policy for wildlife management and conservation. There is no biological or wildlife management goal to be reached by increasing nonresident percentages. Current statistics show that in most years the current 35% allocated to nonresidents is not fully utilized. According to the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the majority of nonresident hunters are satisfied with the current availability of licenses to nonresidents that hunt in Colorado. Colorado already has the highest percentages of licenses available to non-residents of any western state. Nonresidents can hunt elk every year if they choose with an over the counter license. Left over tags are available but underutilized by nonresidents. We recommend that the reallocation of licenses to nonresidents be removed from consideration because it is an unwarranted change.

Protecting our resident hunters should be a priority and not secondary to nonresident interests. The current percentages for allocation of licenses to nonresidents are under utilized on a yearly basis. An increase is not needed. For these reasons, we recommend the proposal for reallocation of nonresident licenses be removed from consideration and the current license allocation percentages be kept at the status quo.

Respectfully,

Mike Yeary

Chairman

Colorado Bowhunters Association
 
I get sick of hearing what NM residents do with elk landowner tags each year. No preference points and very few % NR tags. Forces NR`s to buy landowner tags just to hunt elk in the best units. 4-7000.00 on average. Total bullshit! Im glad Kansas did away with this crap and im hoping other states will too!
 
Great to see the CBA stepping up. BHA released a statement last year when this started popping up in the legislature and we all wrote letters. Kind of feels like we are on a slippery slope in CO, to me this goes beyond the resident/non-resident issue.
 
Yikes scary. Sounds like a couple crooks trying to put more cash in their pockets.

I hope we "the people" can fight this.
 
Welcome to the "New Old West". I guess nothing changes. On the plus side, I just became a member of CBA. I have mixed feelings about BHA and am curious to see what they have to say and do about it. Personally, I'd like to see legislation introduced that bars ranchers/farmers from accepting State/Federal money if they sell vouchers.
 
Here is a cut and paste but if you are a resident of Colorado you need to be aware of this. The post is kinda long but well worth the read if you are a Colorado Resident and like to hunt.

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Can you post a link to this article? I'd like to voice my concerns to my local State Reps about this.
 
Here is a link to the article in the Denver Post it is the same as the cut n paste above.. Again this all has to do with moving units to the 80 - 20 split as per the CPW mandate that the landowners/outfitters are trying to get around any way they can.

Dirty, Dirty, Dirty

http://www.denverpost.com/rec/ci_3317486


Here is what the audio recording of the last commissioners meeting recorded it is just something I cut and pasted here as well..


Below are some transcriptions from the audio of the PWC discussion on this topic which show a clear desire by the Commission to make a change to allocation without public input. This should be very concerning to all resident hunters in the state.


Chairman Kane at 57:45: “Is there a way that we can refine the system we have, without having to go back and revisit the universe of the entire underlying philosophy of the whole 80/20 and 60/40 and re-invoke that whole statewide debate? I’m wondering if there aren’t some tweaks and clarifications relative to perhaps the hybrid draw and firming up some of the caps in here to make more licenses available to out of state hunters and follow through on what Commissioner Bray thought was the deal in 2005. You know that just feels intuitively like a much more appealing thing for us rather than having to go back and rewrite the whole Constitution of the United States relative to this. Because I think that if we’re going to approach it globally we are talking about reengagement with the public and statewide roundtables, and this is just an enormous commitment of both Commissioners’ time and staff time and if there’s a way we can get at it efficiently, as one Commissioner speaking, that sounds like a very attractive alternative.”

Chairman Kane at 1:04:40: “We just have to change a spark plug here, let’s not take the heads off.”

Commissioner Bray replied: “I would support the Chairman’s recommendation that we can tweak things and don’t have to recreate the world, or at least talk about tweaking things, and try to keep it civil and in-house, I think there are some things we can do that will make it a better system, without huge, wholesale changes.”

Chairman Kane at 1:19:00: “The mission is to see what improvements can be made within our existing system structure to address what has been perceived by some as an inappropriately rigid system relative to the out of state hunter.”

Chairman Kane at 1:20:10: “I don’t think it should be burdensome; hopefully, you know, conference calls, you can do a lot of this over the phones and with email, and so that people aren’t burning up the highways to get this done.”
 
Also any letter has to be recieved by tonight to be before the meeting so please send you letters to the people below.

Thanks

For folks that are concerned about the issue, let the commission member know your feelings about it!

[email protected]

Gaspar Perricone [email protected]

William Kane [email protected]

Chris Castilian [email protected]

Robert Bray [email protected]

Jeanne Horne [email protected]

James Pribyl [email protected]

James Vigil [email protected]

Dean Wingfield [email protected]

Michelle Zimmerman [email protected]

Dale Pizel dale.pizel@state,co.us

Alexander Zipp [email protected]

Mike King [email protected]


Also I would send one to the denver post writer Jason Blevins.

[email protected]
 
Husky -Here is one from the Denver Post dated September 10th, 2014. I can add another where Gov Ritter removed many of these same Commissioners for in his words "corruption"..

Truth is that a few wealthy outfitters and landowners are attempting to steal tags any way they can from the resident hunter. The process will at least now get full public input and that is a step in the right direction. The best news is that there is a group looking for a sponsor to write a bill for a state wide 80 - 20 hard split in the first and second draw. A resident vote for the 80 - 20 split is in the process of gaining signatures would be refreshing to put this to a resident vote as to cut out all the BS and corruption.


Below is a cut and paste of the article.





An uprising is afoot among Colorado's rank-and-file sportsmen. The degree of revolt depends largely on discussion slated for 5 p.m. Thursday at the Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission's monthly meeting in Glenwood Springs. The general public is encouraged to attend.

At issue is the recent attempt by CPW commissioner Robert Bray to increase the proportion of big game license allocations for nonresident hunters in limited draw units at the expense of Colorado residents. A big game license subcommittee studying the proposal at commissioner Bray's behest is scheduled to make a preliminary presentation at the Glenwood Springs Ramada Inn on Thursday afternoon.

It's not the first time the two-time commissioner and big game hunting outfitter from southwestern Colorado has attempted to carve out a larger slice of the increasingly valuable license pie for large landowners and outfitters such as himself, nor is it likely to be the last. It is, after all, Bray's position as an "agricultural" representative of the commission to advocate on behalf of ranchers such as himself in an effort to maintain the considerable political clout that community has managed to achieve among wildlife affairs.



And it is clearly in his best interest as well to see a greater portion of limited license allocations awarded to out-of-state hunters who are more likely to hire the services of an outfitter such as himself or other members of the Colorado Outfitters Association. But it is certainly not in the best interest of the Colorado sportsmen who serve as the backbone of wildlife management and conservation statewide.

While there's no argument that nonresidents deserve a fair opportunity to hunt game in Colorado, there is a pretty compelling one recognizing that our state already offers the best opportunity for nonresidents to hunt big game in the nation. Nonresidents are allocated 35 percent of the limited license draw for big game tags in most units, and Colorado offers unlimited over-the-counter elk licenses to both resident and nonresident hunters in 92 game units statewide.

In addition, a full 15 percent of the licenses in every totally limited hunting unit is already set aside for landowners through the Landowner Preference Program that allows for lucrative transfers to non-resident hunters seeking a trophy from Colorado. That percentage increases next year by 5-10 percent, depending upon location.

Simply put, any nonresident can hunt elk, and usually deer, in Colorado every year already. With no change, there is no squabble. But changing the current allocations of resident to nonresident tags benefits few to the detriment of many.

The reasoning that an increase in nonresident license allocation translates to increased revenue for Colorado Parks and Wildlife dismisses the intrinsic value of resident sportsmen and their attendant contributions to wildlife management and conservation statewide. Reducing opportunity for high-quality hunts among residents is also likely to have a cascade effect on hunter recruitment and retention objectives, undermining the tradition of Colorado sportsmen and jeopardizing future generations critical to the success of state wildlife programs.

Big game hunting is big business in Colorado. But selling out to the highest bidder is not always the best business strategy, especially when it comes to the long-term interests of your most loyal stakeholders.

Scott Willoughby: swilloughby @denverpost.com or twitter.com/ swilloughby
 
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