CO Gov appoints Sierra Club leader to represent hunters/outfitters on CPW Commission

Gila said:
Outfitter “welfare” in New Mexico and land owner tags are exactly why we are losing our hunting, trapping and fishing! Outfitters as well as anti-hunting groups could give a rat’s patootie about science based wildlife decisions. The biggest thing in common is that outfitters and anti-hunters want to see a reduction in the number of tags allocated to the public draw. Colorado antis are following the same playbook as they did in California 30 years ago. In New Mexico using the outfitters and land owners to kill off public hunting. They probe the state’s weaknesses to move their agenda. The Western states that have a large population center like Denver metro are left-wing. That is because big-city folks don’t understand the country life or American traditions which includes wildlife conservation.

In New Mexico we can win some issues because half of the population is not metro. But from what I see we need to get some federal intervention to fight some very relevant issues. Overturning the legislative bodies in a metro Western state is a tough row to hoe. For instance delisting the lobo and gray wolf would be a huge win for hunting in both states. Delisting those wolves would take away a lot of the “power” the antis have. I do know from decades of personal experience in multiple Western states that when “non-hunting” commissioners are appointed hunting, fishing and trapping opportunity unravels quickly.
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We all get it man. You despise guides and landowners. We don’t need the spin or to beat the dead horse.

You have tried quite a few ways to spin this.
Again…Not buying it.

Guides and Landowners aren’t screwing up hunting. People like you are.
 
Ten Bears said:
We all get it man. You despise guides and landowners. We don’t need the spin or to beat the dead horse.

You have tried quite a few ways to spin this.
Again…Not buying it.

Guides and Landowners aren’t screwing up hunting. People like you are.
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Once he said pheasants destroy grouse nests I knew it was all mumbo jumbo.
 
Gila said:
Yea, well anyone who knows anything about grouse and pheasants at all know I am right. I had sharpies and huns on my CRP. They lived together quite well. The guy in the next section had a pheasant hunting property. After opening day I would have 100-200 pheasants in my yard and they would go into the CRP. No body wants pheasants in the National Grasslands South of Pierre. Even the GFP doesn’t want them around the sage grouse in the Northwest. The grandkids would come and shoot them out of my grove….somebody mentioned ditch parrots yup…they sure are!
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You are delusional . There is absolutely no truth to anything you have said. The only thing pheasants will do is out compete grouse for food during a hard winter. I have shot grouse and pheasants side by side so many times I can’t even keep track.

A little snip it of what the Sdgfp does want. You need to quit making stuff up to fit your narrative

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svivian said:
Who? I’m not seeing them. Can you point them out?
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Well you can count me in. I didn't agree with everything he said, but I personally feel like we're seeing a pattern in this country and state of "people with money vs everyone else". There are plenty of good outfitters. There are plenty of bad ones, too - and this forum is full of "XYZ screwed me, avoid avoid avoid!" threads about the bad ones. And I for one personally believe that a "fly fishing outfitter" and Sierra Club member "representing" the interests of big-game hunters in the state is not a good appointment.

I am not religiously or ideologically motivated. Unlike a lot of folks I can be moved. Give me a rational, objective reason why this was a good appointment and I will very thoughtfully consider it. Until then, feel free to count me as one of the "not a fan" folks.
 
taskswap said:
Well you can count me in. I didn't agree with everything he said, but I personally feel like we're seeing a pattern in this country and state of "people with money vs everyone else". There are plenty of good outfitters. There are plenty of bad ones, too - and this forum is full of "XYZ screwed me, avoid avoid avoid!" threads about the bad ones. And I for one personally believe that a "fly fishing outfitter" and Sierra Club member "representing" the interests of big-game hunters in the state is not a good appointment.

I am not religiously or ideologically motivated. Unlike a lot of folks I can be moved. Give me a rational, objective reason why this was a good appointment and I will very thoughtfully consider it. Until then, feel free to count me as one of the "not a fan" folks.
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While I understand your point, comparing New Mexico to Colorado just doesn’t make sense. New Mexico’s outfitting operations is a complete mess and that’s in direct correlation with the type of hunting available.

Colorado is not like that in the least. There are a lot of honest small mom and pop operations that need good elk populations and OTC opportunities for their clients.

Edit in direct regard to the appointed person. There are by far better choices. I’m simply referring to his objection to outfitters having a seat at the table at all
 
taskswap said:
Well you can count me in. I didn't agree with everything he said, but I personally feel like we're seeing a pattern in this country and state of "people with money vs everyone else". There are plenty of good outfitters. There are plenty of bad ones, too - and this forum is full of "XYZ screwed me, avoid avoid avoid!" threads about the bad ones. And I for one personally believe that a "fly fishing outfitter" and Sierra Club member "representing" the interests of big-game hunters in the state is not a good appointment.

I am not religiously or ideologically motivated. Unlike a lot of folks I can be moved. Give me a rational, objective reason why this was a good appointment and I will very thoughtfully consider it. Until then, feel free to count me as one of the "not a fan" folks.
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you aren’t getting it.
people are sick of him turning every topic into some bs about landowners and guides in New Mexico. The topic could be about grizzlies in new york city and he would tie it to that.

it’s not a good appointment. anything Polis does is guaranteed to be the wrong move regarding wildlife.

but blaming guides and landowners constantly is old. it’s so low on the totem pole of hunting problems that it’s obviously some axe he grinds.

this guy is a BHA account posing as a member that trolls constantly with his delusional rhetoric.
 
svivian said:
While I understand your point, comparing New Mexico to Colorado just doesn’t make sense. New Mexico’s outfitting operations is a complete mess and that’s in direct correlation with the type of hunting available.

Colorado is not like that in the least. There are a lot of honest small mom and pop operations that need good elk populations and OTC opportunities for their clients.

Edit in direct regard to the appointed person. There are by far better choices. I’m simply referring to his objection to outfitters having a seat at the table at all
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OK, completely fair. To clarify, I personally object to this particular appointment, and not outfitters in general. I didn't see the NM/CO reference - since the thread was about CO's appointment, I focused on that.
 
Ten Bears said:
this guy is a BHA account posing as a member that trolls constantly with his delusional rhetoric.
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This might be true to some degree but it's also an Argument Ad Hominem logical fallacy. I don't know the poster or his history but "even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while." I'm not going to disagree with a valid point just because of who made it. I know Trump personally and detest the man for a number of (to me) valid reasons, but he's not wrong when he says the media is generally hot garbage. (The point that often gets missed is that this applies to Fox, too.)
 
taskswap said:
This might be true to some degree but it's also an Argument Ad Hominem logical fallacy. I don't know the poster or his history but "even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while." I'm not going to disagree with a valid point just because of who made it. I know Trump personally and detest the man for a number of (to me) valid reasons, but he's not wrong when he says the media is generally hot garbage. (The point that often gets missed is that this applies to Fox, too.)
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yeah. you aren’t getting it.
all good man. have a good one.
 
Ten Bears said:
yeah. you aren’t getting it.
all good man. have a good one.
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How can we possibly have an objective discussion if I state my opinion and all you say is "you aren't getting it?" I made it very clear I was open to objective counter-arguments and this is all you came to the table with. My feeling is you're the one not "getting it." This was an opportunity lost.
 
taskswap said:
How can we possibly have an objective discussion if I state my opinion and all you say is "you aren't getting it?" I made it very clear I was open to objective counter-arguments and this is all you came to the table with. My feeling is you're the one not "getting it." This was an opportunity lost.
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Nothing to be mad about and no discussion opportunity lost.

You stated you don’t the posters history. That is the part to “get” that ads color to this and many folks frustration on here. Without understanding who he is and what he does it’s difficult to have a conversation about it. That is what was meant.

The topic itself, as usual with him gets steered off the ramp into his oft repeated and typically delusional wood chipper.
 
Gila said:
New Mexico SB5 originally stripped the power of the Governor to appt commissioners but that provision was removed before the bill passed. I don’t know what the Colorado chapter of Wildlife Federation is doing but the NM chapter has been correct on the issues that I am aware of. I don’t think I would want the Outfitters Association on the commission because they are in it for themselves. Maybe it is time to hit our commissions in the pocket book by properly allocating the fed excise taxes each state gets for licenses. Also Colorado and New Mexico get fed dollars to manage their wolf recovery programs. I think I may have mentioned before that red shirts at a public commission meeting gets attention. it is a tough row to hoe when a state legislature goes too far to the left…There are quite a few moderate Democrat hunters that don’t agree with this anti hunting crap.
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This still has NOTHING to do with the specific topic of this thread. The Govenor's appointment to a current position (whether you agree that position should exist is not relevant). Damn man let it go in this thread.
 
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