RokStok

[Reburn]

How’s NOLA?

Leaving in the morning.

 

[hereinaz]

A negative comb as presented here, moves the recoil pad inline with the bore which greatly helps mitigate muzzle rise. When the rifle recoils backwards, the negative comb part (the slop) allows your face to slide away from the cheekpiece- it’s opposite of most conventional combs which cause the comb to slam into your face during recoil.

Hmmm.

Negative comb on my face/cheek? I see the logic that it slides away. I have bruised my cheek shooting a shotgun like an idiot.

Higher butt pad? Yeah, I buy that more. On a rifle with an adjustable pad I raised it up to get in line with the bore. Recoil is substantially different. I haven’t felt the need to go back to it.

Mechanically I can see the high butt pad makes more sense to keep recoil inline. I do believe that much of stock design is still based off of the straight sticks that had to slope down to sight down the barrel.

It’s not that it looks weird, it’s that I am not sure how much difference it would make now. I already marry with the top of the butt pad. I use a “jaw weld” which is really just an index point.

It could be the next evolution. I don’t know whether it would make enough difference for me.

It might make me look at making a lightweight buttpad retrofit to push it up.

When one of you get your Rokstock and want to sell a Rem 700 SA M5, lemme know, I will buy a used one to try it.

 

[Balderdash]

Can I get BOAL airbrushed on mine?

Be a great thread when some dandy steals it when you're not looking.

 

[Smokey12]

That would be cause for whole new thread!

 

[Balderdash]

That would be cause for whole new thread!

Aram, is that you?

 

[Smokey12]

Ha nope! If that’s the BOAL guy he is a legend. If I remember right he never responded to that legendary post.

 

[DangerRanger]

Yeah I’ll do a smear

 

[Dos XX]

Smear me.

 

[Clarktar]

I'd have to choose the WMD Donkephant from Lib Tech, 2002 I believe was the year.

 

[dreamingWest]

Drove to deer camp to see like 6 new pages on this thread. Got nervous. Please announce preorder midweek when I'm sitting at my desk bored! Just saying.

 

[Marbles]

Drove to deer camp to see like 6 new pages on this thread. Got nervous. Please announce preorder midweek when I'm sitting at my desk bored! Just saying.

Yeah, I'm screwed if it is announced during the work day, both due to time zone and because I'm too busy to check this.

I don't care about the color, I just want at least one, but preferably two, stocks.

 

[roosiebull]

Final answer!!!!!

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Close, but needs a little more pop

 

[Dobermann]

Hey Rokslide,

Quick update on the Rokstok, we have approved the engineering drawing and it is now being 3D printed by the wonderful Jessica @Stockys . We hope to have it in our hands this weekend for testing that may or may not involve shooting........we will see.

If there were to be any shootability issues during testing they will be corrected before production, @Formidilosus and @Ryan Avery will make sure of it. Those of you that are worried about the radically negative comb can be assured it will be tested to its limits before we proceed.

Our goal here was to produce the most shootable, affordable stock on the market without regards to norms or previously held beliefs of what a stock should look like.

If the 3D print doesn't need much correction, we will proceed to production quickly and possibly have first stocks by end of year. We will keep you guys updated here of course.

Here is a pic of the new boxes below that just came in and a little more teaser of the drawing.

If testing goes great we will start the pre sale here on this thread very soon.

50 Green carbon camo and 50 gold carbon camo will be available first come, first served as limited edition colors that won't be made again. The color is very Rokslide Green and Gold just like the box. The color is interwoven with black in the carbon fiber and then it looks like patchwork pieces of carbon that give it a camo look.

Stocks will be sold and distributed through Unknown Munitions

@Unknown Munitions - Fixed it for you.

@Formidilosus - I've got your back.

 

[Dobermann]

McMillan Mountaineer........................

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I love that they still got it wrong! Hilarious!

 

[Dobermann]

I am excited to have a functional stock that leads a paradigm shift........function follows Form........
Will mount to a 6.5cm SS Roughtech 24"

I saw what you did there, and I'm not letting it go unnoticed.

 

[Dobermann]

Giveway or not, in all seriousness I'm most excited that we might finally have a real chance of changing rifle design history.

Shooting legend Jeff Cooper advocated for negative comb stocks. Gun building legend Melvin Forbes built negative comb stocks. Steyr used one on their then-groundbreaking Steyr Scout (which was also seen as 'weird' and 'ugly', but is a joy to shoot).

With quotes like these from as seasoned, and 'mainstream', a gun writer as Richard Mann, perhaps there's a chance that he and others could be sent a stock and we start a revolution?

Let’s start with one of the least obvious features: the negative drop at the comb.

Most rifle stocks show drop from the nose of the comb to the heel. This has been a long-standing tradition, and it’s how stocks are shaped so shooters can get their eye behind open sights. The problem with this concept—and it boggles the mind that we’re still building stocks this way—is that it increases felt recoil because it drives the comb into the shooter’s cheekbone. Not only that, but common open sights are now about as rare as unicorn poop. The comb on the Steyr Scout Rifle rises from the nose to the heel. This helps to better position the eye behind the optic and allows the comb to slip painlessly past the shooter’s cheekbone.

[Emphasis added; from: https://gundigest.com/gun-reviews/rifles-reviews/gun-review-steyr-scout-rifle-in-6-5-creedmoor]

The other aspect of friendless Cooper desired dealt with the stock's comb. The center of Steyr Scout Rifle's comb is very high, only a fraction of an inch below the centerline of the bore. Additionally, the comb does not drop from nose to heel, it rises. This might seem counter to conventional wisdom but Melvin Forbes of New Ultra Light Arms pioneered this concept in 1983 with his model 20 lightweight rifles. (Incidentally, Forbes stocked a prototype Scout Rifle for Cooper in 1987.) With a comb configured in that fashion, it allows the shooter to establish a solid check weld, while being able to see through the optical sight. Just as important, during recoil the shooter's cheek slides forward and down the comb. With a conventional rifle stock the crest of the comb is driven into the shooter's cheek and the drop prevents the cheek from experiencing a comfortable interface.

[From: https://www.thetacticalwire.com/features/231505]

FWIW, mine will be a 20.5" 6.5 Creed Tikka T3x Superlite, with Oceania Defence titanium Alpine Hunter suppressor (164 g / 5.8 oz), and Minox ZP5 5-25 with THLR reticle in UM Tikka rings.

And left-handed because @Unknown Munitions and @Stockys listened to us here!

Hoping to be the first here to have a "Rokstock-Minox Special". The near-rhyme at the beginning even makes it sound cool.

But if the Maven RS1.2 2.5-15 x 44 passes a drop test, then I might have to switch to having a "Rokslide Rokstock RS1.2 Special" - or perhaps the "RS3" for short.

As others have said, huge thanks to @Formidilosus, @Ryan Avery, @Unknown Munitions, and @Stockys for making this happen!

 

[JCMCUBIC]

If you had your wish of any camo or color that McMillan ever did, why would it be?

From McMillan's patterns, the basic GAP scheme.

One they did for a customer a long while back was called Copperhead Camo. I can't remember who it was done for, or the exact color mix (browns/tans), but I liked it enough to remember the name...and I'm not much of a "camo" guy.

Outside of McMillan, the original pattern from the Seekins Havak stocks was good.

 

[Gstew1930]

Bruh… I only have 40 pairs…..

Jesus man save some women for the rest of us @Ryan Avery

 

[hereinaz]

I am excited to have a Form approved stock to go with my Avery approved footwear.

 

[TheCougar]

Jesus man save some women for the rest of us @Ryan Avery

@Unknown Munitions

Are you going to post the pictures of the finished product (green/gold), so we can all pick which flavor of gaudiness we want when the preorder goes live?