Petition - OTC for Colorado Residents

[87TT]

And a lot of the money if not most spent by hunters in these places is by RESIDENT hunters.

 

[gelton]

You dropped $3000 on a scouting trip???
How? Why?

I took my wife along and we stayed 4 nights in the mountains, and 2 nights in a resort. Throw in the gas, groceries, and dinners and it adds up pretty quickly.

 

[KurtR]

Just going to throw this out there. In Idaho the NR quota hasn't changed in decades. They changed the rules to spread out the NR's all over the state. They also raised the fees that were too low for years. All the out of state hunters cried the same things. "will hurt the local economy", "the state will lose the revenue they depend on to manage wildlife", "it's our federal land" and all the other stuff. Well, guess what? The NR tags that used to go unsold and open for second tags are gone. I can remember like six or seven years ago they discounted NR elk tags for a second option just to sell them. Demand is higher than ever. Just witness all the bitching about the traffic jam when tags go on sale. Tags sell out in hours now. All these guys are doing is trying to keep some kind of guaranteed tag opportunity for residents to hunt every year and maybe take their kid or aging parent hunting. Some residents don't have the money to travel or play the point game. So all you out of state hunters can just stop. Save your energy to fight the anti's and wolf lovers. Find a place in your own state to hunt or play whatever game the state you want to hunt lets you.

Yep first year i went 2016 we didnt buy tags till August and from then on it was earlier. The last year i went 2020 it was May i think for the otc tags. Prices went up which i thought makes sense to be the same as every one else and they capped units which I also thought was a good idea to spread out pressure. Im not fighting on the computer for a tag. The only thing i really miss is hunting with my brother every year.

 

[Rado]

Man, the non-resident reaction in this thread is disheartening and really disappointing. No one is trying to take away your ability to hunt our state. Fact of the matter, the current situation is a shit show. This isn't a secret, it's discussed ad nauseam everywhere Colorado OTC is brought up. In order to improve the experience for every hunter in the field, we need to reduce the number of hunters in the field.

Resident hunters want to improve the experience of Colorado hunting for everyone in the field, while retaining the ability to hunt every year in our home state. This is a privilege many of you NR hunters have in your home state. If you do not have this privilege, and you put together a petition to gain that privilege, shoot me a link and I'll sign it.

I don't know if I agree or disagree with everything about this petition, but I support it because it's an attempt to accomplish this goal, improve the experience of Colorado hunting while retaining the ability of residents to hunt every year. And I'm really disappointed in my fellow hunters that are pushing back because they can't see how it will immediately benefit them.

 

[Bubblehide]

You can access it all you want. You can hike camp fish take pictures etc. But if you want to to hunt state owned wildlife there you’ll have to pay.

Some people have a way around that

 

[Greenbelt]

Resident hunters: We want to figure out a way to prioritize our experience in the state we live in with the animals that our state regulates/owns, like most every other state.

Non-resident hunters: You can't keep the lights on without us, your state coffers will run dry, you're too cheap to pay for tags like we do, we won't donate to conservation organizations for the species we claim to love, if you wanted more elk to hunt you shouldn't have reintroduced wolves, you should reintroduce wolves & grizz to scare the libs, if OTC goes away xxxxxx relative can't hunt anymore...

Why would CO residents (or residents of any western state) want such fickle 'allies'? The idea that mountain towns/western states are beholden to hunters is asinine; and shows a shocking level of ignorance in light of how much skiers/bikers/hikers/tourists spend every day. Yes, tourism dollars drive a lot of CO's economy, and dollars spent in small towns during mud season absolutely matter. However, to assume that your dollars spent buys you anything other than the service you're directly paying for is a quick way to sour the relationship.

How about we all have the discussion about how Hawaiian feel about tourists also cause Colorado residents sound just like them. Complaining every step of the way when they fail to realize they are nothing without them. Complaining every step of the way while they suck from the tit of the state on every program they can. Coloradans are literally the new Hawaiians. Plus they vote just like them; Dems all the way.

 

[cnelk]

Colorado already has Resident Only hunting units in place (Moose)

I’m surprised NonRes haven’t had an issue with that

 

[Mykolaivka887]

Colorado already has Resident Only hunting units in place (Moose)

I’m surprised NonRes haven’t had an issue with that

The online majority are/were probably not aware of it.

 

[WTFJohn]

How about we all have the discussion about how Hawaiian feel about tourists also cause Colorado residents sound just like them. Complaining every step of the way when they fail to realize they are nothing without them. Complaining every step of the way while they suck from the tit of the state on every program they can. Coloradans are literally the new Hawaiians. Plus they vote just like them; Dems all the way.

Again, I will ask: Why would we want people like you, with that kind of entitled attitude, to come here? If you were here in person, would you demand we bow at your feet, thanking you for every penny spent? Would you loudly proclaim in a restaurant or bar in Rifle/Meeker/Grand Junction that everyone in there owed you gratitude for coming out to hunt and that they were all Democrats, sucking from the tit of the state?

Where do you live? I want to make sure I avoid it if there are more people like you there.

 

[Archer86]

Colorado already has Resident Only hunting units in place (Moose)

I’m surprised NonRes haven’t had an issue with that

There only loud when it happens then they forget about it and move on to complaining about the next state. Once colorado gets everything done and it's a few years old most will wonder why it wasn't done earlier.

 

[intunegp]

Man, the non-resident reaction in this thread is disheartening and really disappointing. No one is trying to take away your ability to hunt our state. Fact of the matter, the current situation is a shit show. This isn't a secret, it's discussed ad nauseam everywhere Colorado OTC is brought up. In order to improve the experience for every hunter in the field, we need to reduce the number of hunters in the field.

Resident hunters want to improve the experience of Colorado hunting for everyone in the field, while retaining the ability to hunt every year in our home state. This is a privilege many of you NR hunters have in your home state. If you do not have this privilege, and you put together a petition to gain that privilege, shoot me a link and I'll sign it.

I don't know if I agree or disagree with everything about this petition, but I support it because it's an attempt to accomplish this goal, improve the experience of Colorado hunting while retaining the ability of residents to hunt every year. And I'm really disappointed in my fellow hunters that are pushing back because they can't see how it will immediately benefit them.

Agree 100% and think this needs to be a bigger point in this whole thing. As a resident of a given state you should be able to hunt there each year. You shouldn't have to fight the residents of 49 other states for a tag in the draw.

 

[RyanT26]

Colorado already has Resident Only hunting units in place (Moose)

I’m surprised NonRes haven’t had an issue with that

I didn’t know about it. But now that I do, I am extremely upset by this injustice, I’m going to rant and rave for at least the next few days.

 

[RyanT26]

Agree 100% and think this needs to be a bigger point in this whole thing. As a resident of a given state you should be able to hunt there each year. You shouldn't have to fight the residents of 49 other states for a tag in the draw.

As a resident of Colorado, you can hunt every year. You really don’t have to fight the residents of 49 other state to draw a tag

 

[Rado]

As a resident of Colorado, you can hunt every year. You really don’t have to fight the residents of 49 other state to draw a tag

Correct. And the petition is an attempt to retain that right as CPW attempts to reduce hunter pressure through various methods.

 

[intunegp]

As a resident of Colorado, you can hunt every year. You really don’t have to fight the residents of 49 other state to draw a tag

I understand that and take advantage of it, and as Rado said I would like to retain that right.

 

[gelton]

Oh wow, $3,000! And you even vaguely threaten our resource & talk down about working two jobs to live in an area trying to be 'rizty'. We can't wait for you to come back this fall with that attitude.

If you can't understand that it's established case law that animals are owned by the state, and that simultaneously they can live on federal land (that you're still free to access 24/7/365), you're not even in the right ball park for the discussion. There's also the irony of a Texan crowing about public lands...

Again, why would CO residents want more people like you here? Your attitude is one of 'if I can't play the game by my rules, I'm taking your ball and going home.'

I'm off to go build you a shrine out here for saving all of us with your NR dollars, thank you for your sacrifice.

I'm just saying that you should identify your allies and your enemies, and your enemies aren't NR hunters.

If you want to keep the states resources to yourself, you might want to reconsider your stance on public lands.

This eventually evolves into a deeper debate of extracting the mineral resources of said public lands, where you do have real enemies - the politicians that have driven what was once the most prosperous nation, perhaps in the history of the world, into a nation that is 21,000,000,000,000 in debt. If we began to repay that debt back at $100 a second, it would take us 6,650 years to do it and that is assuming there is no inflation over 6K years.

The USGS has estimated and cataloged exactly how much - untapped oil, coal, gold, silver, and other mineral deposits are on public lands. So much so that the value is already on the balance sheet, and it's the Federal Government and ALL citizens that own that, not the state. This creates a situation where people begin questioning at what point is that land leased to private industry for extraction in order to overcome what is a real and potential danger - a debt crisis.

Who are you going to turn to to stand beside you to fight that? Would it be other RESIDENTS that only use the land for recreational purposes and wouldn't think twice if your hunting rights vanish? Or would it be your true allies which are NR hunters?

If opportunities for NR continue to be curtailed, we would have little to no stake in the matter at all, and there is a ton of wealth locked up in those lands that belong to all of us.

 

[fishslap]

As a resident of Colorado, you can hunt every year. You really don’t have to fight the residents of 49 other state to draw a tag

Non residents can also hunt every year on draw tags without unlimited OTC opportunities for those who choose to hunt vs build points. Plenty of zero point hunts, you just don’t get that pp and be able to hunt. I’ve killed 7 of my 8 bulls on draw hunts that non residents can get with no points, and these are three different units.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

I'm a NR to everything Western, not reading 11 pages but figured I wouldn't be cool if I didn't add a reply to an 11 page thread. I think CO OTC should be resident only, similar to Wyoming... just don't adopt the silly Wilderness rule please.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Non residents can also hunt every year on draw tags without unlimited OTC opportunities for those who choose to hunt vs build points. Plenty of zero point hunts, you just don’t get that pp and be able to hunt. I’ve killed 7 of my 8 bulls on draw hunts that non residents can get with no points, and these are three different units.

That's what we've been doing, although we got cow tags in Wyoming this year so sending the CO back. If OTC went to res-only I'm sure these opportunities would be more difficult, but I'm OK with that.

 

[fishslap]

That's what we've been doing, although we got cow tags in Wyoming this year so sending the CO back. If OTC went to res-only I'm sure these opportunities would be more difficult, but I'm OK with that.

Likely so. I’d guess that a good number of NR would choose to build points and not hunt every year vs hunt zero point draw units in place of OTC.