Nissan Titan PRO-4X

[GunsAreFun]

You are crazy to go to a Titan which is such a good truck that Nissan is discontinuing it. Buy a 2020 or 2021 Tundra.

Sales numbers aren’t the measure of a good truck otherwise Tundra wouldn’t be a distant fourth. I’ve looked at the 2020-21s. Actually was shopping for one since May, but every time I drive one, I feel like I’d be spending $40-42k for an incremental improvement. Even the TRD Pro I drove today was hardly any nicer than my 13 year old SR5 with an aftermarket display and nice seat covers and they wanted $51k with 34k miles and cheap, off brand highway tires.

The refreshed Gen 2 Tundras lost all the underseat storage in the back, most of the underseat storage for the front seats, and that smaller dash compartment is gone. I think the center console is smaller too. I’d have to buy one of those kits and cut the floor out to get some of the storage back and then still install one of those swing boxes to keep my stuff. I wouldn’t mind that stuff if other areas were improved, but they weren’t. I still can’t believe Toyota couldn’t figure out a 9 or 10 speed Transmission with the 5.7 to squeeze out 16-18 combined MPG. That would have been killer with the 38 gallon tank.

 

[swampfox]

I just checked Fuelly.com and I don’t think you’ll be getting much fuel mileage improvement going to a Titan. 2014-2021 Titan avg ranges from 12.9 - 15.3 mpg and the Tundra avg ranges from 13.6 - 14.1 mpg. I think at best you are looking at 1 mpg improvement with similar driving and at worst a wash.

I have a 2017 Tundra and try to stay out of the throttle unless I need it. Before I lifted the front end a bit and put bigger tires on it 17-18 combined mpg was pretty easy to achieve if I wanted to. After the lift/tires I’m generally getting 14.5 - 15 mpg with about 50/50 city/hwy if I’m not towing. But like I said I stay out of the throttle and my hwy driving is around 65 so that helps quite a bit. All that to say there may be many reasons to get a Titan but I don’t think fuel economy is one of them.

My first Tundra is was a 2007 and as you say there is only incremental improvement to the Gen 2.5. For me that is the beauty of Toyota, they don’t change things just to change them so stuff tends to break less. But if you’re looking for a radical change in ownership/driving experience you’ll definitely have to go to a 22+ or another brand. So perhaps Tundra isn’t for you, just get the Titan and I’m sure it will be great. The only guy I know of with a Titan has had pretty good luck with his. He had a wiring issue in the rear tail light that burned up the plastic a bit and caused some weird electrical issues but it was replaced under warranty and has been good since. I could never be convinced that on average they will be as reliable as a gen 2 Tundra, but if the Tundra is boring to you and you don’t want to pay a bunch for essentially the same truck you are in now just get the Titan and who cares what a bunch of guys on the internet think.

 

[PredatorSlayer]

Sales numbers aren’t the measure of a good truck otherwise Tundra wouldn’t be a distant fourth. I’ve looked at the 2020-21s. Actually was shopping for one since May, but every time I drive one, I feel like I’d be spending $40-42k for an incremental improvement. Even the TRD Pro I drove today was hardly any nicer than my 13 year old SR5 with an aftermarket display and nice seat covers and they wanted $51k with 34k miles and cheap, off brand highway tires.

The refreshed Gen 2 Tundras lost all the underseat storage in the back, most of the underseat storage for the front seats, and that smaller dash compartment is gone. I think the center console is smaller too. I’d have to buy one of those kits and cut the floor out to get some of the storage back and then still install one of those swing boxes to keep my stuff. I wouldn’t mind that stuff if other areas were improved, but they weren’t. I still can’t believe Toyota couldn’t figure out a 9 or 10 speed Transmission with the 5.7 to squeeze out 16-18 combined MPG. That would have been killer with the 38 gallon tank.

Thats the magic of the Tundra and why it is so reliable. I had an 18 TRD off road, bought a new cummins in 2020, then last year went back to a tundra - found a 2020 1794 with 10k miles on it. MPGs arent great, interior and tech is outdated, although I do have apple car play and a wireless charging station. But this truck will also likely go to 500k miles without any major problems.

 

[CorbLand]

Between this thread and your other one, it’s pretty clear that you don’t want another Tundra. Go buy the Titan and let us know your experience with it.

 

[WRO]

You can put a bigger tank in your truck for 1500.00 fyi


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[IowaNative]

What do you mean frame specs?

Frame measurements... It's how we determine frame damage in collision repair

 

[stephane]

I love my tundra, but if I was looking I would seriously consider the Nissan. You save a lot of money up front it seems, but of course you lose it on resale in the end.

 

[adieatrick]

The Tundra doesn't do anything for you. Got it. Sounds like you've already got your mind made up so just go buy the Nissan.

 

[elkliver]

IF you buy a Titan.... I have a set of rims and studded Tires to make you a heck of a deal on!

 

[HingleMcCringleberry]

IF you buy a Titan.... I have a set of rims and studded Tires to make you a heck of a deal on!

What are we talking? Pro4x wheels? Steeles? 17s? 18s?

 

[elkliver]

What are we talking? Pro4x wheels? Steeles? 17s? 18s?

265 70 r17s. Nissan pro4x
Where are you located?

 

[Tradchef]

I’ve got a 2011 Titan and I’m at 275k and have had zero issues with it. Solid underrated trucks for sure. Was a Toyota fan for a long time. The prices those seem to be getting in the current market is insane. To me they aren’t worth the money but that’s just me

 

[TVW]

Not apples to apples but.... I've got the 2017 Titan XD with the Cummins, it is the Pro4X trim package. Aside from DEF system issues, which thankfully were under warranty, I'm at 100k miles and have had ZERO other issues with the truck.

I do more dirt/rough road driving than most I would think, probably 40k of the 100k has been not on pavement, and I still don't have a ton of rattles or issues from that either.

Solid trucks for the price in my opinion, might lose out on resale value like others said but you're also paying less to begin with so is it really a loss?

 

[Drswoll69]

Ok Rokslide, I am close to pulling the trigger on a low mileage, certified 2023 PRO-4X and trading in my 2010 Tundra. This your chance to tell me I’m crazy.

FYI, main reasons I’m looking to upgrade are to get modern pre-collision safety features and longer range on a tank of gas while also keeping a naturally aspirated V-8 while I still can still do all three of those. For a bunch of reasons too long to list regarding Chevy, GM, Dodge, and Ford, my remaining choices are 2020-21 Tundra or 2022+ Titan. The Tundras are extremely hard to find and pricey. I’ve been looking since May and haven’t found what I felt was a reasonable price within a 12 hour drive. I also plan to keep this vehicle for 10 years, and the 2021 Tundras are already quite dated interior, technology, and MPG wise. They just do much for me to feel good about forking over $40k+. Test drive them and am kind of like meh. Plus the 2014-2021s absolutely trashed the amount of interior storage. It’s horrible.

The Titan P4X has better ground clearance and off road specs then I get in a similarly priced Tundra. Better technology, storage, and overall interior look and feel than a similarly priced tundra. Range is similar despite having smaller tank due to better MPG, and everything I’ve heard is that it actually gets the listed MPG vs Tundras that often don’t unless you drive like grandma. Basically, I can recreate in a Tundra what Titan offers if I up my budget $15,000 which I’m not prepared to do. I get Tundras are reliable…mine has been good not great. Nissan has an excellent warranty, and $15,000 buys a lot of repairs for a truck I will probably only out 150,000 miles on. Plus, compared to what I’ve seen from other brands, at worst they are no worse then them and possible better than most reliability wise.

Tundra all the way!

Ok Rokslide, I am close to pulling the trigger on a low mileage, certified 2023 PRO-4X and trading in my 2010 Tundra. This your chance to tell me I’m crazy.

FYI, main reasons I’m looking to upgrade are to get modern pre-collision safety features and longer range on a tank of gas while also keeping a naturally aspirated V-8 while I still can still do all three of those. For a bunch of reasons too long to list regarding Chevy, GM, Dodge, and Ford, my remaining choices are 2020-21 Tundra or 2022+ Titan. The Tundras are extremely hard to find and pricey. I’ve been looking since May and haven’t found what I felt was a reasonable price within a 12 hour drive. I also plan to keep this vehicle for 10 years, and the 2021 Tundras are already quite dated interior, technology, and MPG wise. They just do much for me to feel good about forking over $40k+. Test drive them and am kind of like meh. Plus the 2014-2021s absolutely trashed the amount of interior storage. It’s horrible.

The Titan P4X has better ground clearance and off road specs then I get in a similarly priced Tundra. Better technology, storage, and overall interior look and feel than a similarly priced tundra. Range is similar despite having smaller tank due to better MPG, and everything I’ve heard is that it actually gets the listed MPG vs Tundras that often don’t unless you drive like grandma. Basically, I can recreate in a Tundra what Titan offers if I up my budget $15,000 which I’m not prepared to do. I get Tundras are reliable…mine has been good not great. Nissan has an excellent warranty, and $15,000 buys a lot of repairs for a truck I will probably only out 150,000 miles on. Plus, compared to what I’ve seen from other brands, at worst they are no worse then them and possible better than most reliability wise.

tundra

 

[Yoder]

Just for comparison, I went and drove a 2021 TRD Pro that was for sale locally and is probably the closest comparison trim for Toyota. It just didn’t do anything for me. No excitement or new car feel. Felt like a slightly dressed up version of my 2010. It is just not worth $50,000 for me.

The only way I would pay $50k for a truck was if it had $20k cash in the glove box.

 

[TVW]

I just bought a 19 pro4x titan for alot of the reason you have said. It is the 5.0 diesel but wasn't dead set on that motor just what I found the best deal on. After looking at the American big 3 and tundra. I realized I was going to have to give up all luxury features, and add another 30-50,000 miles to them to stay at the price I wanted to be at.

If the titan is what you like and in your budget get it and don't look back.

Not sure if you can in NC or if the kit is still available, but I took a few things off that truck and it instantly had more power and got 3mpg better mileage.

I'm at 110k on mine with not a single problem since I deleted it. Luckily it was still on warranty when I had the problems.

Might be something to look into.

 

[loganwayne]

Not sure if you can in NC or if the kit is still available, but I took a few things off that truck and it instantly had more power and got 3mpg better mileage.

I'm at 110k on mine with not a single problem since I deleted it. Luckily it was still on warranty when I had the problems.

Might be something to look into.

We Just have safety inspections. So it's getting work done on it this summer. Would be sooner but life got in the way

 

[Everest11]

Sales numbers aren’t the measure of a good truck otherwise Tundra wouldn’t be a distant fourth. I’ve looked at the 2020-21s. Actually was shopping for one since May, but every time I drive one, I feel like I’d be spending $40-42k for an incremental improvement. Even the TRD Pro I drove today was hardly any nicer than my 13 year old SR5 with an aftermarket display and nice seat covers and they wanted $51k with 34k miles and cheap, off brand highway tires.

The refreshed Gen 2 Tundras lost all the underseat storage in the back, most of the underseat storage for the front seats, and that smaller dash compartment is gone. I think the center console is smaller too. I’d have to buy one of those kits and cut the floor out to get some of the storage back and then still install one of those swing boxes to keep my stuff. I wouldn’t mind that stuff if other areas were improved, but they weren’t. I still can’t believe Toyota couldn’t figure out a 9 or 10 speed Transmission with the 5.7 to squeeze out 16-18 combined MPG. That would have been killer with the 38 gallon tank.

I get what you're saying about the Tundra. I've been in a similar situation, comparing the older models to the newer ones.

 

[GunsAreFun]

Just to update in case anyone else has a similar decision, I ended up buying a fully loaded 2021 P4X with 12,000 miles. I elected to sell my Tundra privately instead of trading.

The Titan interior is very nice in that trim level. Nice screen, sound system, and comfy cooled and heated seats. The back seats fold up and down, with storage underneath. The Titan P4X ride quality, handling, acceleration, etc. was all similar to the Tundra.

Where the Titan disappointed a bit was:
1. Transmission didn’t really know what to do when you transitioned from decelerating and then quickly accelerating like you do at a round about where you never really stop completely.
2. MPG didn’t deliver as advertised even with very deliberate driving style aimed at MPG over speed. Best I could produce in daily commute was 15 mpg and best highway mileage, even staying around 68-70 and having tires inflated higher than normal, was 18.4 mpg. Both of which are only 1-1.5 mpg better than I get with the Tundra under normal driving conditions not really trying to get better mileage, and I can often times match those numbers if I try to milk mileage.
3. Backseat really seemed to shrink once I started really using it. This is compounded by the rear door not opening very far. With car seats in, it was impossible to get anything like a suitcase or even a large grocery sack in the truck without scuffing the doors or jamming it in. After carefully lining up both trucks’ front seat to be equivalent, I found that the Tundra backseat is several inches longer, which makes a big difference with car seats, dogs, suitcases, tools, etc.

In the end, I decided to keep the Tundra. Because I shopped so long and negotiated hard for a good deal, I was able to sell the Titan after a few months within a few days to get all my money back.

So not sure where I’ll go from here. Should probably just keep the Tundra for a few more years. If I totaled the Tundra today, I’d probably get an F-150, but don’t see myself jumping to that unless I have to.

 

[bojangles808]

i briefly entertained one of these pro 4xs but ultimately going to stick with my f150. Theres a dealer in peoria AZ practically giving them away for 43k (msrp 58k) with 0% for 60 months. I worry though about future parts availability in the future but its still a tempting deal