Is anyone else going broke because of deals "you just can't pass up?"

My problem is with items that regularly go out of stock for long periods of time. If I know I plan on buying it eventually I feel compelled when it is in stock.

That’s a tough one. I actually stopped myself today. I actually saw a couple pounds of xbr 8208 on the shelf. First I’ve seen in 5 years. I left it on the shelf. I have more powder on the shelf than I’ll probably ever burn. I’ve got a rifle that would probably be perfect for, but paying $75 a pound on powder to gain a few fps is no longer a game I’m willing to play.


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I feel for the OP. I have on occasion bought things I didn’t need. Good example is a browning .243, scope, $500 worth of bullets, $300 worth of powder, $250 in reloading equipment. For a practice rifle. I coulda bought a lot of ammo for my other rifle for that kind of money. OTOH I do shoot it a lot, and enjoy it.

There are other things I won’t get into. I will say this. Buying things is absolutely not a way to save money. Buying things is a way to spend money. To save money, you take it out of circulation … you don’t spend it.

I’ve seen many people dig themselves some deep holes using credit cards. I’ve never run a credit card balance in my life, except I use mine for every day purchases to get the rewards points and pay it down to zero on the first of every month. Makes me a few hundred dollars cash every year.
 
That’s a tough one. I actually stopped myself today. I actually saw a couple pounds of xbr 8208 on the shelf. First I’ve seen in 5 years. I left it on the shelf. I have more powder on the shelf than I’ll probably ever burn. I’ve got a rifle that would probably be perfect for, but paying $75 a pound on powder to gain a few fps is no longer a game I’m willing to play.


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I was terrible in 2008 when there was a 22lr shortage. I went out of my way to hoard it any chance I got, and I probably acquired more than I would shoot in three lifetimes.
 
My problem is with items that regularly go out of stock for long periods of time. If I know I plan on buying it eventually I feel compelled when it is in stock.
This is me. Trying to shoot my way through '08 and '09 without any stockpile taught a serious lesson I likely won't forget (not necessarily a good one, just a lesson). Covid doubled down on that lesson in a positive reinforcement way, as I had a decent stockpile and never felt panicked about finding stuff (not to mention I got to use a lot of it during the slower pace from work). My grandparents said similar things about growing up in the depression impacting their spending habits for life.

Now that I am not moving around all over and have disposable income, if I see something I know I'm going to need that has questionable availability, I buy plenty up front. My reasoning is, I can always resell when stock goes out if I end up not using it. Lets be honest though, how often does that work out?

I've made some money over the years buying deeply discounted scopes and reselling them on an auction site after use. I would have made more money if I put it in the stock market. I've made some pretty good deals on fairly collectible rifles also, but I can't think of a single one that held as a long term investment relative to stock investments. I have made some really good short term deals, usually on things that were a hassle to get that people would pay more not to go through the trouble. These days I'm more apt to resell at the same discount to a friend, family member, or coworker when I find I'm not getting any use from something. I make enough at work that I don't get joy from haggling with folks for the ultimate resell dollar. Rather see someone get some use and joy out of a thing I once wanted.

OP, if you're running up bills you can't pay, that's a serious issue. It won't get better by itself, and you'll likely always be susceptible to that behavior. Relapses are real, you HAVE to stay on top of it if you want to avoid it. And for god's sake, whatever you do, do NOT pick up a wrench and start working on old cars.
 
This is me. Trying to shoot my way through '08 and '09 without any stockpile taught a serious lesson I likely won't forget (not necessarily a good one, just a lesson). Covid doubled down on that lesson in a positive reinforcement way, as I had a decent stockpile and never felt panicked about finding stuff (not to mention I got to use a lot of it during the slower pace from work). My grandparents said similar things about growing up in the depression impacting their spending habits for life.

Now that I am not moving around all over and have disposable income, if I see something I know I'm going to need that has questionable availability, I buy plenty up front. My reasoning is, I can always resell when stock goes out if I end up not using it. Lets be honest though, how often does that work out?

I've made some money over the years buying deeply discounted scopes and reselling them on an auction site after use. I would have made more money if I put it in the stock market. I've made some pretty good deals on fairly collectible rifles also, but I can't think of a single one that held as a long term investment relative to stock investments. I have made some really good short term deals, usually on things that were a hassle to get that people would pay more not to go through the trouble. These days I'm more apt to resell at the same discount to a friend, family member, or coworker when I find I'm not getting any use from something. I make enough at work that I don't get joy from haggling with folks for the ultimate resell dollar. Rather see someone get some use and joy out of a thing I once wanted.

OP, if you're running up bills you can't pay, that's a serious issue. It won't get better by itself, and you'll likely always be susceptible to that behavior. Relapses are real, you HAVE to stay on top of it if you want to avoid it. And for god's sake, whatever you do, do NOT pick up a wrench and start working on old cars.
I have been on a bit of a spending spree lately. I rebarreled my 270 to a 25-06 with a suppressor an xlr chassis, and SWFA scope. I just pulled the trigger on a tikka 223 I found a good deal on and will set it up similarly. I plan to buy a barrels worth of bullets and components and then chill out for a while.
 
Just do 100 pushups before you are allowed to buy something. You’d be jacked in no time
This may be the best advice I've heard yet! Just need that Drill Sergeant yelling at me again for that motivation! Guess I could just tell my wife what I was up to and that would fill the bill!🤣
 
I was terrible in 2008 when there was a 22lr shortage. I went out of my way to hoard it any chance I got, and I probably acquired more than I would shoot in three lifetimes.
You and most everyone else, too. I didn't buy .22s, but I paid scalpers prices for about 10,000 primers. Actually not a huge stockpile if you think about it and consider I load ammo for myself and a half dozen or more friends and family. But as has been said: "Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone..."
 
How many are only paying the minimum monthly balance and not paying the credit card off each month?
 
I'm just the opposite. I am selling a bunch of stuff. Hardly bought anything this year.
 
I feel for the OP. I have on occasion bought things I didn’t need. Good example is a browning .243, scope, $500 worth of bullets, $300 worth of powder, $250 in reloading equipment. For a practice rifle. I coulda bought a lot of ammo for my other rifle for that kind of money. OTOH I do shoot it a lot, and enjoy it.

There are other things I won’t get into. I will say this. Buying things is absolutely not a way to save money. Buying things is a way to spend money. To save money, you take it out of circulation … you don’t spend it.

I’ve seen many people dig themselves some deep holes using credit cards. I’ve never run a credit card balance in my life, except I use mine for every day purchases to get the rewards points and pay it down to zero on the first of every month. Makes me a few hundred dollars cash every year.
I understand this is fail safe, but I don't totally agree with it. Investments buying guns and other commodities CAN pay huge dividends if one isn't paying credit card interest on said purchases and can hold them for 10 years or so (at least 5) in new condition. You can see how much more inflated gun and optic prices are now verses 10 years ago. The longer you hold it, the more you make - exactly like stock investments except there's less risk. Unless your collection gets stolen, burned up, or laws pass prohibiting you ever transferring your firearm, they are very safe investments. Think about it this way: you are spending your money when you contribute to your 401k. You are purchasing stock (spending money) or mutual funds of some sort in hopes of it growing and making a good return. Real estate is maybe the best investment except for the taxes you have to pay on it. The population is going to get larger and the amount of room for each of us is constantly decreasing, therefore becoming more valuable. Prices may fluctuate in smaller areas or depreciate due to any change in surroundings making it less desirable.

This is true only if you don't "short sell". If you offer it for sale in under 5 years or in less than perfect condition, you're going to generally have to eat part of your original investment and your statement is then 100% true.

I typically fall into the latter category where I feel the need to move things out that aren't going to get used rather quickly after the purchase of something else. I also build lots of rifles for a hobby. Some of the work I farm out around the country to those who have the equipment and skill to produce what I want, while I do some of the work myself at home. Sometimes, I have an idea that I may use the new purchase for a custom build if it doesn't work out as intended at purchase. Sometimes, though, I may snatch something up with this intention and then think about it and really scrutinize it later, and wonder what I was thinking. I.e. I have this beautiful Savage Model 12 in .204 Ruger that has a BEAUTIFUL finish and someone professionally painted the synthetic stock with a textured paint that stays in there very well. It appears basically unfired. Got an ok deal on it, but I was thinking of building something with it - didn't have any interest in a .204 Ruger. I had just had a barrel made and bought a donor rifle for a .25-45 Sharps build. Not much else I could do with this since I'm only interested in calibers larger than .224. A .350 Legend?? Nah. Don't need it. Have too many other things that would fill that niche already. And honestly, it's so unique with such a beautiful blued finish in high condition that I am not sure I'm OK with tearing it apart. It has a bull 26" barrel, so it's top heavy, and heavy in general, it isn't a predator rifle you'd pack for long hikes. So nothing to do but sell it as is, most likely. But without seeing it, the likelihood of someone being stirred to purchase it for what I paid isn't Grand. And that model likely won't be worth significantly more in 10 years.

So if I'd followed your rule, would I have more money in my pocket today? Absolutely. Because I don't practice what I'm preaching here too often, I'm losing SOME money... BUT... I can say for sure that at least I have something to show for my money that can be liquidated in emergency for the majority of what I paid. IF I had not purchases shooting-relates items and hardware, I would have spent the money somewhere else and probably not had anything to show for it. The bottom line is savers are gonna save and spenders are gonna spend. I am trying to spend more frugally, however.🤣
 
This may be the best advice I've heard yet! Just need that Drill Sergeant yelling at me again for that motivation! Guess I could just tell my wife what I was up to and that would fill the bill!🤣
This is another not-so-good sign. Withholding spending/financial habits from your SO is a key indicator of being a bit out of control. Believe me, I'm not speaking from a high horse, I've been there. Think about it this way if it helps. You get hit by a bus on the way to work today. Then she finds out you had tens of k of credit card debt with no real plan to pay it off. What kind of emotional and financial situation does that leave her in? Spoiler alert: you could get hit by a bus on the way into work today, or tomorrow, or next month. Tomorrow is not a guarantee.

There's a fine line between maximizing life and putting yourself in a long-term situation financially. Like anything else, practicing a particular type of behavior over the long term develops habits, and they're quite hard to break. A key milestone on the road to realization for me was my grandfather's unexpected passing in a brush fire at 71. He left behind 3 barns full of crap and a totally drained retirement account for my grandmother and mother to sort out. They ended up taking a washing even on the property sale (125acres of Texas hill country) due to the sad state of hoarding that had set in.

From a more practical standpoint, you're paying a mountain of interest on that much accumulated credit card debt. That is totally negating any deals you may be achieving by buying stuff on clearance/sale. All you've done is add yourself some extra stress.

Breaking the cycle is harder than it sounds, but from a practical standpoint it's pretty simple. Stop buying non-essentials (food, water, shelter) until the cards are paid. Once the cards are paid, keep stopping buying stuff for another 2-3 months and put the money you had been paying towards cards into a checking account (you can also use a work bonus or sell some stuff to charge this up quicker). Magically, you've now got a budget that you can spend interest free, just never let the cards get higher than the amount you have in checking to pay them off each billing period. You will save thousands of dollars a year simply in not paying interest on that much CC debt. You're killing yourself with that, total it up on your statements over a period of time and see for your self, especially once you compare to totaling up what you've "saved" with all those deals.
 
I understand this is fail safe, but I don't totally agree with it. Investments buying guns and other commodities CAN pay huge dividends if one isn't paying credit card interest on said purchases and can hold them for 10 years or so (at least 5) in new condition. You can see how much more inflated gun and optic prices are now verses 10 years ago. The longer you hold it, the more you make - exactly like stock investments except there's less risk. Unless your collection gets stolen, burned up, or laws pass prohibiting you ever transferring your firearm, they are very safe investments. Think about it this way: you are spending your money when you contribute to your 401k. You are purchasing stock (spending money) or mutual funds of some sort in hopes of it growing and making a good return. Real estate is maybe the best investment except for the taxes you have to pay on it. The population is going to get larger and the amount of room for each of us is constantly decreasing, therefore becoming more valuable. Prices may fluctuate in smaller areas or depreciate due to any change in surroundings making it less desirable.

This is true only if you don't "short sell". If you offer it for sale in under 5 years or in less than perfect condition, you're going to generally have to eat part of your original investment and your statement is then 100% true.

I typically fall into the latter category where I feel the need to move things out that aren't going to get used rather quickly after the purchase of something else. I also build lots of rifles for a hobby. Some of the work I farm out around the country to those who have the equipment and skill to produce what I want, while I do some of the work myself at home. Sometimes, I have an idea that I may use the new purchase for a custom build if it doesn't work out as intended at purchase. Sometimes, though, I may snatch something up with this intention and then think about it and really scrutinize it later, and wonder what I was thinking. I.e. I have this beautiful Savage Model 12 in .204 Ruger that has a BEAUTIFUL finish and someone professionally painted the synthetic stock with a textured paint that stays in there very well. It appears basically unfired. Got an ok deal on it, but I was thinking of building something with it - didn't have any interest in a .204 Ruger. I had just had a barrel made and bought a donor rifle for a .25-45 Sharps build. Not much else I could do with this since I'm only interested in calibers larger than .224. A .350 Legend?? Nah. Don't need it. Have too many other things that would fill that niche already. And honestly, it's so unique with such a beautiful blued finish in high condition that I am not sure I'm OK with tearing it apart. It has a bull 26" barrel, so it's top heavy, and heavy in general, it isn't a predator rifle you'd pack for long hikes. So nothing to do but sell it as is, most likely. But without seeing it, the likelihood of someone being stirred to purchase it for what I paid isn't Grand. And that model likely won't be worth significantly more in 10 years.

So if I'd followed your rule, would I have more money in my pocket today? Absolutely. Because I don't practice what I'm preaching here too often, I'm losing SOME money... BUT... I can say for sure that at least I have something to show for my money that can be liquidated in emergency for the majority of what I paid. IF I had not purchases shooting-relates items and hardware, I would have spent the money somewhere else and probably not had anything to show for it. The bottom line is savers are gonna save and spenders are gonna spend. I am trying to spend more frugally, however.🤣
I disagree. Having sold rifles in better condition than when I bought them 15 years after purchase, most run of the mill gu s are depreciating assets that by the time effort, storage, and selling fees are rolled in don't even come close to break even. This holds especially true for builds.

Time things right, and you might make some money. But, unless you are making money on it actively, a pretty theory on how if you just took your own advice you would is an argument with reality, and reality always wins.
 
I understand this is fail safe, but I don't totally agree with it. Investments buying guns and other commodities CAN pay huge dividends if one isn't paying credit card interest on said purchases and can hold them for 10 years or so (at least 5) in new condition. You can see how much more inflated gun and optic prices are now verses 10 years ago. The longer you hold it, the more you make - exactly like stock investments except there's less risk. Unless your collection gets stolen, burned up, or laws pass prohibiting you ever transferring your firearm, they are very safe investments. Think about it this way: you are spending your money when you contribute to your 401k. You are purchasing stock (spending money) or mutual funds of some sort in hopes of it growing and making a good return. Real estate is maybe the best investment except for the taxes you have to pay on it. The population is going to get larger and the amount of room for each of us is constantly decreasing, therefore becoming more valuable. Prices may fluctuate in smaller areas or depreciate due to any change in surroundings making it less desirable.

This is true only if you don't "short sell". If you offer it for sale in under 5 years or in less than perfect condition, you're going to generally have to eat part of your original investment and your statement is then 100% true.

I typically fall into the latter category where I feel the need to move things out that aren't going to get used rather quickly after the purchase of something else. I also build lots of rifles for a hobby. Some of the work I farm out around the country to those who have the equipment and skill to produce what I want, while I do some of the work myself at home. Sometimes, I have an idea that I may use the new purchase for a custom build if it doesn't work out as intended at purchase. Sometimes, though, I may snatch something up with this intention and then think about it and really scrutinize it later, and wonder what I was thinking. I.e. I have this beautiful Savage Model 12 in .204 Ruger that has a BEAUTIFUL finish and someone professionally painted the synthetic stock with a textured paint that stays in there very well. It appears basically unfired. Got an ok deal on it, but I was thinking of building something with it - didn't have any interest in a .204 Ruger. I had just had a barrel made and bought a donor rifle for a .25-45 Sharps build. Not much else I could do with this since I'm only interested in calibers larger than .224. A .350 Legend?? Nah. Don't need it. Have too many other things that would fill that niche already. And honestly, it's so unique with such a beautiful blued finish in high condition that I am not sure I'm OK with tearing it apart. It has a bull 26" barrel, so it's top heavy, and heavy in general, it isn't a predator rifle you'd pack for long hikes. So nothing to do but sell it as is, most likely. But without seeing it, the likelihood of someone being stirred to purchase it for what I paid isn't Grand. And that model likely won't be worth significantly more in 10 years.

So if I'd followed your rule, would I have more money in my pocket today? Absolutely. Because I don't practice what I'm preaching here too often, I'm losing SOME money... BUT... I can say for sure that at least I have something to show for my money that can be liquidated in emergency for the majority of what I paid. IF I had not purchases shooting-relates items and hardware, I would have spent the money somewhere else and probably not had anything to show for it. The bottom line is savers are gonna save and spenders are gonna spend. I am trying to spend more frugally, however.🤣
Sorry man, but most of this is handwaving. I know, because I've tried to sell the same story to myself in the past.

Firearms are barely, maybe, okay investments. Only a handful are ever going to exceed the return that would have been gained from investing smartly, and those rare items usually have a high entry cost and are hard to predict performance on. If you're just buying run of the mill stuff (like Savages) on sale, you're never gonna see a return on that. Once you get into the realm of addictive spending, what little good there was in any of that is out the window. You're right in that you have something to show for your money (unlike blowing it on some other vices), but you'd have a lot more to show for it had traditional investment means been utilized.

Its a shitty story to hear, but until you convince yourself it's true, you aren't going to get out from underneath. The stress resulting from that situation is shortening your life, not really a good thing.
 
I found my people in this hoarders anonymous group 🙂

My name is Taper and I’m a hoarder.

The excuse is the deal is too good to pass up and I’ll gift it to one of the kids in the family. Unfortunately, many of them will have to wait for the estate sale.

I talk about used rain gear, do a quick scan of ebay, see a great deal and buy a duplicate. Talk about crampons, see a stupid good deal on a pair of mis-labeled discontinued SMCs, and dude these aren’t made anymore so if I don’t get them now my descendants will miss out. The last time Gitzo tripods were brought up, eBay produced a killer deal that will go to the latest newborn in the family when he’s a teenager. The pile of 6x scopes in the drawer are only going up in value.
 
I don’t think the OP is actually looking for advice. Seems like he wants commiseration from other spending addicts? Stories of others doing similar things so he can see he’s not alone? I tried to give both in my first post. The following is a tale of dipshittery that the OP may find heartwarming and others may find amusing or just astonishing.

During the pandemic panic I decided reloading was the way to assure myself a steady supply of ammo. So I bought all the stuff for my 30-06. Lee reloading kit, dies, allegedly once fired brass, then I went on the hunt for powder and primers. I found some Ramshot Hunter and some Staball 6.5. I couldn't find primers anywhere for any amount of money. If I got a notice from ammoseek or Midway, by the time I got on line they were GONE!!! So I started looking on the forums. I wanted to use my new reloading equipment so bad, I ended up driving from Carson City to Las Fxxxxing Vegas to buy one brick of large rifle. That’s like a 13 hour round trip.

But I did not run up my credit card. I. Just. Don’t. Do. That.

Post #93 about guns being an investment is a beautiful pile of …. rationalization. In the last 5 years I bet I’ve spent 10k on guns, scopes, reloading tools and supplies, and gear. Probably another 5-6 k on outfitters and gas and tags and hotel rooms. I’ve also spent about 11k on vet bills for my worthless mutts ( whom I obviously love unreasonably) But I’m not kidding myself that any of this is a good investment. It’s the cost of me having fun AND PAYING CASH FOR IT…
 
So a $1000 gun "appreciates" $200 after 5 years, which rarely if ever happens. Then you pay to ship it, FFL transfer, probably a gunbroker commission, and you're back to break even. Then, because it was purchased with credit card debt at 25% interest, well, you can do the math. It's a monumental loss. That $1000 gun probably ended of costing $1500 when perpetual interest is considered.

I buy and sell quality gear all the time. Good stuff will "hold it's value" but it certainly won't appreciate. I generally figure a 20% whack off the purchase price, whether it's Swaro binos, nice guns, or whatever.
 
So a $1000 gun "appreciates" $200 after 5 years, which rarely if ever happens. Then you pay to ship it, FFL transfer, probably a gunbroker commission, and you're back to break even. Then, because it was purchased with credit card debt at 25% interest, well, you can do the math. It's a monumental loss. That $1000 gun probably ended of costing $1500 when perpetual interest is considered.

I buy and sell quality gear all the time. Good stuff will "hold it's value" but it certainly won't appreciate. I generally figure a 20% whack off the purchase price, whether it's Swaro binos, nice guns, or whatever.
Yep, I sell things to help fund new things, but there is always a loss. I frequently would like to still have items, but want the new one more and cannot justify without selling.

I have spent down savings and note payed down on low interest rate debt to buy things. But, carry a balance on a CC is only for last ditch emergencies, like staving off starvation.

I would love to make a few purchases from LS Wild right now, and absolutely know I will pay more a few years down the road when I need a new barrel, but financially the "saving money" would be a bad choice and I need to build some buffer back up. I even have cash on hand, but I do not have the cash for that.

I built out two $4k Tikkas (including scope and muffler) over the past year. There comes a point were one must say "enough" and put things off. I might regret it, but FOMO is a bad way to live life.

I am still working on hoarding a modest amount of reloading components.
 
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