Mtn Lion Ban Filed in Colorado

[Fetty Wapiti]

Who are the houndsmen killing female cats? 43% is a bad look, whether sustainable or not it def looks bad to the disney folks.

 

[CoMulies]

I will try to show up to the meeting in Golden, just gotta see where it is at

Monday, February 26 6:00-7:30 PM MT
Jefferson County Open Space, Ponderosa Room, 700 Jefferson County Parkway, Golden

 

[bayoublaster7527]

Their training video calls mountain lion hunting "trophy hunting" repeatedly. Says even though the words trophy hunting arent on the ballot initiative, it is good to call it that when gathering signatures because people know what it is and don't approve of it. So once again, they are straight up lying to voters to get some bullshut inititative passed.

Yes, they are intentionally using the term “trophy hunting” when that term was removed by the Secretary of State’s Title Board because it did not accurately describe the true intent of the initiative. I don’t think it constitutes fraud or defamation but could invalidate those petitions if they deviate from the actual language in the ballot initiative, would need dig into the rules/regulations on signature gathering to see. I would say it definitely opens them up to public criticism/Op-Eds in the media/news that they are intentionally misleading electors while gathering signatures. Who likes to write? ColoradoPolitics.com seems like a good place to start!

 

[CoMulies]

Yes, they are intentionally using the term “trophy hunting” when that term was removed by the Secretary of State’s Title Board because it did not accurately describe the true intent of the initiative. I don’t think it constitutes fraud or defamation but could invalidate those petitions if they deviate from the actual language in the ballot initiative, would need dig into the rules/regulations on signature agreeing to see. I would say it definitely opens them up to public criticism/Op-Eds in the media/news that they are intentionally misleading electors while gathering signatures. Who likes to write? ColoradoPolitics.com seems like a good place to start!

Agreed, you’d be very hard pressed to get either to stick. I’d be up to pen something, but feel that it’d be best to wait to closer to the deadline, and then try to get them invalidated so that they don’t have time to go round up signatures again.

 

[UncleBone]

A little set of petitions showed up today… dilly dilly!

You should sign them all "Tiger King" and "Doc Antle" and mail em back.

 

[Overdrive]

East Slope Mountain Lion Management Plan

CPW is beginning the planning process for the East Slope Mountain Lion Management Plan. Before the draft plan is written, CPW wants to share important information about mountain lion management on the East Slope and hear from the public. Information on upcoming public

engagecpw.org

Attend if you can

 

[bayoublaster7527]

Saw this article. Confirms what we already knew that anti-hunting groups out of state are funding this thing. I will say $200,000 doesn’t get you very far on a ballot initiative in Colorado.

Out-of-state money dominates fundraising for anti-hunting ballot measure

The killing of a mountain lion just for the taking of a "trophy" is already illegal in Colorado.

pagetwo.completecolorado.com

And yes apparently Carole Baskins is publicly supporting Prop #91. She has had a few articles and social media stuff.

 

[Overdrive]

Who are the houndsmen killing female cats? 43% is a bad look, whether sustainable or not it def looks bad to the disney folks.

I don't think it's many houndsmen harvesting females as much as someone who buys a licenses for the chance encounter. I buy a license every year in case I see a Mtn Lion while out doing activities in the winter. It's pretty hard to identify a male from female at a 100 yards.

 

[Trial153]

Don’t units have a female quota? So say the quota is 10 loins in zone XYZ with max of two females . It can close the zone with a say 5 loins, 2 females …. So a 40% female harvest.

Where as say the quota was met at 10 and there were two females there would be 20% harvest.

The beauty of hunting with hounds for cats and bears is how selective we can be. I bet my free to kill ratio is over 20 to 1.

 

[Overdrive]

Don’t units have a female quota? So say the quota is 10 loins in zone XYZ with max of two females . It can close the zone with a say 5 loins, 2 females …. So a 40% female harvest.

Where as say the quota was met at 10 and there were two females there would be 20% harvest.

The beauty of hunting with hounds for cats and bears is how selective we can be. I bet my free to kill ratio is over 20 to 1.

The CPW doesn't have a set quota for Male to Female harvest (at least I've never seen a published number) because the license is Either Sex, but they do still shut down units if the Female harvest gets too high.

FWIW I talked with a warden years ago and he told me that when a Female is harvested it counts as 2 lions out of the quota. Don't know how true it is, I just took him at his word.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

I guess what are we thinking with attending the meetings? The CPW isn't trying to make plans to ban lion hunting and the material they've published certainly indicates they want hunter harvest as a management tool. What we are concerned about is ballot box biology via voting initiatives which isn't relevant to the eastern slope lion planning. This planning is with the status quo in mind, right? If that initiative passes then they need to form an entire new plan I would think? Or am I missing something in all of this?

 

[shavezchavez]

Has anyone alerted HOWL?

 

[Chanimal]

Has anyone seen folks out gathering signatures?

 

[CoMulies]

Yep olde town Arvada… they are hammering the “trophy hunting” line hard, a non hunter friend of mine and her adult children were approached, she asked a couple questions which the signature gatherer had no answer for like “what do you mean trophy hunting?” “Are they being killed legally or illegally?” And “are they endangered?” Cat lady had no good answers so thank god she didn’t sign

I keep hearing the trophy hunting line also. Tell em there are already wanton waste laws, the meat must be harvested, they don’t know what to say to that.

 

[tpicou]

Just wrote a check for $2500 to CRWM not much but hope it helps

 

[UncleBone]

Went to a local wildlife tasting event tonight and tried mountain lion for the first time. Had mountain lion tacos, and chili. It was delicious! Anyone who says you can't or won't eat them is full of crap!!

 

[robby denning]

Just wrote a check for $2500 to CRWM not much but hope it helps

Big thanks!!!!
that's a lot!

 

[Gila]

Within a couple of years of the ban in California, the lions were killing joggers on the trails. They also stalk kids at the bus stops. The young males starved to the point of hamstringing cattle. The deer in those areas are gone. The apex predators are no more and so is their previous habitat. There is no place for the predators to come back to. The anti hunters don’t give a rip about the predators though. Their agenda is to reduce the number of game animal tags due to predation.

The antis go to different states if they think the political climate might give them some traction. Sometimes it is if a state has a more ”sympathetic” game commission. They tried it in South Dakota a number of years ago, that state is of course a red state across the board. It was quickly shot down but the antis thought they might get some traction with a referendum. They didn’t….

They will show up in your state….if they haven’t already!

 

[bayoublaster7527]

Within a couple of years of the ban in California, the lions were killing joggers on the trails. They also stalk kids at the bus stops. The young males starved to the point of hamstringing cattle. The deer in those areas are gone. The apex predators are no more and so is their previous habitat. There is no place for the predators to come back to. The anti hunters don’t give a rip about the predators though. Their agenda is to reduce the number of game animal tags due to predation.

The antis go to different states if they think the political climate might give them some traction. Sometimes it is if a state has a more ”sympathetic” game commission. They tried it in South Dakota a number of years ago, that state is of course a red state across the board. It was quickly shot down but the antis thought they might get some traction with a referendum. They didn’t….

They will show up in your state….if they haven’t already!

Absolutely! They are really focused hard on Washington, Oregon, and Colorado right now but also seeing them working Vermont to exclude hunters from the wildlife commission. We have seen them attempt some maneuvers in Arizona and New Mexico, with varying success so far. The anti-hunters are seeing the first signs of well organized and well funded opposition here in Colorado with Coloradans For Responsible Wildlife Management (donate and/or get involved at www.savethehuntcolorado.com). If the mountain lion ban is defeated in November the CRWM blueprint could be used in other states that are in the crosshairs.

 

[TurkeyReaper69]

Just got back from a walk with my girlfriend at Sloan's Lake, the Cats Against Trophies people are out in full force right now "educating" the yuppies on their afternoon strolls.