Lobbying Wyoming game and fish negatively affecting non-resident elk hunters

[Whip]

While I'm at it, Wyoming is 48% federal land. I keep hearing how residents are entitled to so much more because they live and pay taxes there. What taxes?
There is no state tax. One of the lowest property tax rates in the country. 4% sales tax, again one of the lowest in the country. Game & Fish is dependant on NR dollars to keep afloat.
Federal dollars, oil & mineral income (which we all ultimately pay for) is what keeps your state running. Yet you want to shut us all out.
How is that different than people who suck up the vast majority of social services in our country without paying their share?
Don't get me won't, I don't have a problem with residents getting the majority of the tags. But the system is getting out of whack, and when the rest of us are left with nothing we aren't going to want to continue paying for it.

 

[tdhanses]

While I'm at it, Wyoming is 48% federal land. I keep hearing how residents are entitled to so much more because they live and pay taxes there. What taxes?
There is no state tax. One of the lowest property tax rates in the country. 4% sales tax, again one of the lowest in the country. Game & Fish is dependant on NR dollars to keep afloat.
Federal dollars, oil & mineral income (which we all ultimately pay for) is what keeps your state running. Yet you want to shut us all out.
How is that different than people who suck up the vast majority of social services in our country without paying their share?

Don’t forget Federal funds make up a substantial percentage of it’s overall state budget, not just F&G are heavily funded by NR.

 

[BuzzH]

While I'm at it, Wyoming is 48% federal land. I keep hearing how residents are entitled to so much more because they live and pay taxes there. What taxes?
There is no state tax. One of the lowest property tax rates in the country. 4% sales tax, again one of the lowest in the country. Game & Fish is dependant on NR dollars to keep afloat.
Federal dollars, oil & mineral income (which we all ultimately pay for) is what keeps your state running. Yet you want to shut us all out.
How is that different than people who suck up the vast majority of social services in our country without paying their share?

Except your not shut out of a single acre of federal land in Wyoming or any other state.

 

[tdhanses]

Except your not shut out of a single acre of federal land in Wyoming or any other state.

True, so your saying the other 329,500,000 people should have a say on federal lands in WY and how to manage them or keep them. Wonder how many are effected by corner crossing issues.

I actually wonder what the percentage is of our population that knows they even have this right, my guess would be 80% have no clue outside of national parks and BLM does not stand for federal lands to the majority, just a guess, could be completely wrong.

But that is 100% true, if we can get to them we can be on them, wait so there is no land locked federal lands in WY, then why even bother with corner crossing as an issue if we aren’t shut out?

 

[Whip]

Except your not shut out of a single acre of federal land in Wyoming or any other state.

Not shut out. Just don't have the same rights to use them. The vast majority of people that use federal land have no need to see, use or pay for the 90% of public lands that residents want to keep as your personal private hunting grounds. Between not being able to hunt and struggling just to be able to find campsites because the locals have their camps set up on "their" spot for the entire summer what exactly are we getting in exchange for paying for those lands? Don't even get me started on the stupidity of the wilderness rules.

I've always been a big advocate of keeping public lands public. But when you shut us out of a reasonable chance to ever use them in my lifetime I've had enough. Pay for them yourself. And fight your own forest fires while you're at it.

 

[Indian Summer]

This is still a thread? Lol While you’re at it how about texting Putin and ask him nicely to back off.

 

[Laramie]

I know a lot of guys are upset right now but we need to be really careful what we ask for. The loss of some hunting tags sucks for me and thousands of other non-residents but the permanent loss of public land would be terrible for all future generations.

Hunting elk out of state may be something my grandkids never experience but I sure hope they are free to back pack in to camp and/or fly fish some of the areas I did as a kid.

I think a lot of you are looking at this as leverage but the scary thing is many of you are right. The average American probably doesn't give a hoot about some yellow squares on a map in a place they never intend on going.

 

[QuackAttack]

Once the jealousy fight starts, it only ends when everyone has lost.


It’s already started.

 

[Gutshot007]

Those here who are non- residents I suggest you go to every hunting site that you visit and start threads and discussion pertaining to western state lobbying and how it is adversely non -resident opportunity to hunt elk/ muledeer . Most are not aware of the worsening behind the scenes push to limit their opportunity to hunt western big game. Hit the whitetail hunter sites . Ask them how they like paying their private leases to have access to hunt while resident western hunters are enjoying them footing the bill for federal land with their tax dollars. Encourage pushback and ideas . If something doesn't change its over. Send them to rokslde

 

[BuzzH]

True, so your saying the other 329,500,000 people should have a say on federal lands in WY and how to manage them or keep them. Wonder how many are effected by corner crossing issues.

I actually wonder what the percentage is of our population that knows they even have this right, my guess would be 80% have no clue outside of national parks and BLM does not stand for federal lands to the majority, just a guess, could be completely wrong.

But that is 100% true, if we can get to them we can be on them, wait so there is no land locked federal lands in WY, then why even bother with corner crossing as an issue if we aren’t shut out?

Absolutely they have a say on federal lands, why wouldn't they?

It's very common to receive written comments on proposed actions related to federal land management like forest plans, RMPs, EAs, EISs, travel plans, etc etc from people all around the country.

I also suggest that you way under-estimate what the general public is aware of regarding public lands. Over 6 million people visited Wyoming public lands last year. That's just Wyoming.

Even though many southern, Midwest, and eastern states have less public lands they are also visited by millions of people a year.

In the last decade there has been a substantial uptick in federal public land use...and it seems to grow more each year.

Good shit sells itself....

 

[BuzzH]

Those here who are non- residents I suggest you go to every hunting site that you visit and start threads and discussion pertaining to western state lobbying and how it is adversely non -resident opportunity to hunt elk/ muledeer . Most are not aware of the worsening behind the scenes push to limit their opportunity to hunt western big game. Hit the whitetail hunter sites . Ask them how they like paying their private leases to have access to hunt while resident western hunters are enjoying them footing the bill for federal land with their tax dollars. Encourage pushback and ideas . If something doesn't change its over. Send them to rokslde

Make sure you're honest in what they pay...1/4 of 1% of the national budget.

Not even a rounding error in defense spending.

For that they have access to 640 million acres...I take that deal all day long. Most bang for the buck I get for my tax expenditure.

 

[Maverick1]

Except your not shut out of a single acre of federal land in Wyoming or any other state.

Checkerboard.

 

[RMM]

Absolutely they have a say on federal lands, why wouldn't they?

It's very common to receive written comments on proposed actions related to federal land management like forest plans, RMPs, EAs, EISs, travel plans, etc etc from people all around the country.

I also suggest that you way under-estimate what the general public is aware of regarding public lands. Over 6 million people visited Wyoming public lands last year. That's just Wyoming.

Even though many southern, Midwest, and eastern states have less public lands they are also visited by millions of people a year.

In the last decade there has been a substantial uptick in federal public land use...and it seems to grow more each year.

Good shit sells itself....

I would say the 6 million people visiting Wyoming has largely to do with Yellowstone correct?

 

[sneaky]

Not shut out. Just don't have the same rights to use them. The vast majority of people that use federal land have no need to see, use or pay for the 90% of public lands that residents want to keep as your personal private hunting grounds. Between not being able to hunt and struggling just to be able to find campsites because the locals have their camps set up on "their" spot for the entire summer what exactly are we getting in exchange for paying for those lands? Don't even get me started on the stupidity of the wilderness rules.

I've always been a big advocate of keeping public lands public. But when you shut us out of a reasonable chance to ever use them in my lifetime I've had enough. Pay for them yourself. And fight your own forest fires while you're at it.

Hunting is such a very small fraction of public land use. What do you not understand about that part? You wanna flip the middle finger to all the user groups? The ones that make up the 90% of public land use? You have just as much right to use public lands for other things, the fact you limit your use to one activity is your fault and no one else's.

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[BuzzH]

Checkerboard.

Depends where...research is your friend

 

[BuzzH]

70,729,000 visits to BLM lands a year:

https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/PublicLandStatistics2019.pdf

Administrative State /a/ Recreation Sites /b/ Thousands ___________________ Dispersed Areas /c/ Thousands ________________ Recreation Partnership Sites /d/ Thousands ________________ Total Thousands _________________ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Alaska 585 316 408 926 0 0 993 1,242 Arizona 1,831 3,711 1,327 1,518 1,755 2,939 4,913 8,168 California 6,061 11,670 6,151 5,603 78 24 12,290 17,297 Colorado 5,014 2,970 3,781 5,726 758 203 9,553 8,899 Eastern States 111 53 36 4 12 2 159 59 Idaho 3,132 1,789 2,956 2,527 4 1 6,092 4,317 Montana 2,493 2,202 1,829 2,670 2 < 1 4,324 4,872 Nevada 4,374 2,202 3,199 4,299 11 3 7,584 6,504 New Mexico 1,992 1,160 2,077 2,973 < 1 < 1 4,069 4,133 Oregon 4,502 3,621 4,500 4,236 237 130 9,239 7,987 Utah 4,694 2,725 4,221 2,944 138 169 9,053 5,838 Wyoming 1,279 888 1,164 861 17 3 2,460 1,752 Total 36,068 33,307 31,649 34,287 3,012 3,474 70,729 71,068

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

That's awesome! If you want to be in the resident pool maybe you should...crazy idea here I know so please stay with me here: Be a resident!!!! Maybe people being able to buy their way into the resident pool is a horrible thing?

As a NR, I totally agree with ya'll. Nothing worse than the wealthy guys that used to try to buy land in Iowa just to establish residency to hunt big bucks. Iowa doesn't allow that either. I know MT has very strict rules on this too. I'm all for it.

 

[Whip]

70,729,000 visits to BLM lands a year:

https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/PublicLandStatistics2019.pdf

Administrative State /a/ Recreation Sites /b/ Thousands ___________________ Dispersed Areas /c/ Thousands ________________ Recreation Partnership Sites /d/ Thousands ________________ Total Thousands _________________ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Visits /e/ Visitor Days /f/ Alaska 585 316 408 926 0 0 993 1,242 Arizona 1,831 3,711 1,327 1,518 1,755 2,939 4,913 8,168 California 6,061 11,670 6,151 5,603 78 24 12,290 17,297 Colorado 5,014 2,970 3,781 5,726 758 203 9,553 8,899 Eastern States 111 53 36 4 12 2 159 59 Idaho 3,132 1,789 2,956 2,527 4 1 6,092 4,317 Montana 2,493 2,202 1,829 2,670 2 < 1 4,324 4,872 Nevada 4,374 2,202 3,199 4,299 11 3 7,584 6,504 New Mexico 1,992 1,160 2,077 2,973 < 1 < 1 4,069 4,133 Oregon 4,502 3,621 4,500 4,236 237 130 9,239 7,987 Utah 4,694 2,725 4,221 2,944 138 169 9,053 5,838 Wyoming 1,279 888 1,164 861 17 3 2,460 1,752 Total 36,068 33,307 31,649 34,287 3,012 3,474 70,729 71,068

Of the 1,164,000 visits to disbursed BLM land in Wyoming during 2019 how many of those were resident versus non resident? There are at least 130,000 licensed residents each year, correct? How many days per year do you think residents visit BLM land? My guess is they account for a vast majority of the uses.

 

[204guy]

 

[tdhanses]

Hunting is such a very small fraction of public land use. What do you not understand about that part? You wanna flip the middle finger to all the user groups? The ones that make up the 90% of public land use? You have just as much right to use public lands for other things, the fact you limit your use to one activity is your fault and no one else's.

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Thing is all those other users don’t hardly use any of it, they mainly stay on trails and close to roads. Would be easy to keep lands 90% of users use and sell 80% of it, that’s the point, hunters use much more that isn’t easily accessible compared to most groups.

It’s easy to get people on board when it doesn’t effect them and it’s harder to fight for something when you alienate a large group.

Fact is 90% of western resident and nonresident hunters wouldn’t have anywhere to hunt without public lands.

But once there are no more nonresident tags in time which user group is next to lose, those that aren’t native residents.