Lobbying Wyoming game and fish negatively affecting non-resident elk hunters

[sneaky]

Most true words I've read in a long time. I try like hell to avoid even working west of the Central Time Zone.

Good. Stay over there.

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[sneaky]

Reading a number of posts it looks contacting a state legislator may be of little benefit. Hard to say. Can't hurt. It sounds like talking your US senator or congressman may have benefits if the feds can apply pressure or financial benefit to states that are "non -resident friendly "

Why don't you call your shop steward? Make him earn that 20% of your paycheck he's getting. Oh wait, nevermind, that goes to the dems to keep getting pro union crap passed. Nevermind, call your senator.

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[sneaky]

Using Federal land is the key bargining chip over western States law negatively affecting non resident western hunters. Various ideas have been discussed. I had said earlier sell it off . Throughout this post I personally think to not sell would be wiser. Leave it open to hikers, bikers, berry pickers etc. Heavy fees for hunters was thrown out. I think the best option is to have the Federal government severely limit access to state resident hunters if their state chooses to not follow reasonable Federal rules pertaining to non-resident hunters. It would be then a states "choice" to follow them. Heck if you don't want any non- residents in your state push for it ,BUT . . . Federal land access will significantly decreased. Numbers of acres of lost access could be negotiated. Maybe something generous like 90/10 non-residents / residents. Could throw in other bonus features like residents can only hunt the low lands /foothills during the elk rut and then up high in December

Are you sitting around trying to think up even more idiotic ideas? Or do they just naturally pop up in your head?

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[Gutshot007]

The land you are talking about in West Virginia was likely private and leased. It’s not even close to the same thing as leased land on public. Here (Wyoming) you have the same access, leased or not. I wouldn’t recommend it but you can actually go on to a well pad and even shoot an antelope from one.

My mistake I just talked to my brother . The land is owned by a timber company with gas company lease as well. There are lines, wellheads and pads ( not sure of jargon)on the lease. I realize what 90/10 as far as tags . It was tongue and cheek 90-sell/10-keep land. As that seems to be a popular odds number

 

[Gutshot007]

Are you sitting around trying to think up even more idiotic ideas? Or do they just naturally pop up in your head?

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Sqeeky, I didn't mean to "trigger" you (I think that's what the snowflakes call it). I just feel " disenfranchised " that I don't have enough money, points, time, money again. To hunt all western States with elk/muledeer yearly . Just show the non-residents some love and fork over a few tags . I won't bring my dog running nilly /willy either . Next- to the stupid ideas. They seem to flow naturally. I'm currently on a long car ride and not driving. Lots of free time. My brain is working double time . I am loaded up with caffeine . The stupid ideas are flowing like a river. There will be lots more. Next -the union thing. I grew up in a union household . It put food on the table. When I was a young man I had I guess you could say a " Conversion" of sorts and saw the light of my erroneous philosophy and become a free market capitalist. I dont usually share personal politics unless someone asks and I felt like you "asked". Can I get an Amen . "It's just business nothing personal " Mario puzo -the Godfather

 

[Gutshot007]

Sorry "idiotic " ideas not "stupid" my mistake

 

[Gutshot007]

Sneaky, I would like to publicly apologize for the above smart arse post above. Even if attacked one should be above that. Sorry buddy- gutshot

 

[204guy]

I'd just like to put it out there, any NR's passing through, I'd gladly buy you a beer.... and a box of tampons.

 

[Gutshot007]

I'd just like to put it out there, any NR's passing through, I'd gladly buy you a beer.... and a box of tampons.

I prefer maxi' s. The comercial says you can still jump on a trampoline

 

[Archer86]

Just wait until colorado goes 90 10. No more NR otc units and puts a cap on the amount of NR tags they sell its coming just a matter of time....think this thread is bad I can't wait to see that one.....

 

[tdhanses]

Just wait until colorado goes 90 10. No more NR otc units and puts a cap on the amount of NR tags they sell its coming just a matter of time....think this thread is bad I can't wait to see that one.....

Haha, even in limited units they don’t get enough participation for all resident tags, some units NR get way more due to this.

Truthfully CO needs to limit the NR and do away with otc and/or being able to buy pref points yet still hunt those species in the same year.

I would also think at some point otc resident tags will end in WY as will NR hunting, well except for the future LO tags and Outfitter tags, which many won’t be happy about but will buy.

 

[Kimber7man]

Non resident caps on landowner tags is also being discussed no matter the acreage.

1,280 as a minimum and NR caps. That’s interesting to know. And a heck of a way to cut them drastically.

 

[BigBull777]

The only federal aid I'm aware of that states receive for wildlife is Pittman Robertson and dingell Johnson funding which is paid by excise taxes on hunting and fishing equipment. Not even from the taxpayers, but a self funded and imposed tax.

Please tell me your really not that ignorant?Do the millions in federal taxpayer funds that go to Wyoming DOT for things like wildlife crossings not count? Come on…

WYDOT receives $14.5 million federal grant for wildlife crossing project

 

[IDElkmagnet]

I keep threatening to move to wyoming.

 

[BuzzH]

Please tell me your really not that ignorant?Do the millions in federal taxpayer funds that go to Wyoming DOT for things like wildlife crossings not count? Come on…

WYDOT receives $14.5 million federal grant for wildlife crossing project

Should have had wildlife crossings from the get-go...not Wyoming's problem the feds screwed that up.

 

[4ester]

Should have had wildlife crossings from the get-go...not Wyoming's problem the feds screwed that up.

It’s almost like non-residents account for a quantitive amount of wildlife vehicle collisions…….


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[Laramie]

I think selling public lands is a terrible idea... but many in this thread are correct in that the average American wouldn't mind if the majority of BLM was sold. The only voices keeping BLM land off the sale blocks are hunters- the vast majority of which are non-residents. National Forests are a different thing all together. Those lands hold meaning to a larger % of the population no matter where you reside. It is an interesting angle to use as a bargaining chip though. One that obviously caught Buzz's attention...

 

[sneaky]

I think selling public lands is a terrible idea... but many in this thread are correct in that the average American wouldn't mind if the majority of BLM was sold. The only voices keeping BLM land off the sale blocks are hunters- the vast majority of which are non-residents. National Forests are a different thing all together. Those lands hold meaning to a larger % of the population no matter where you reside. It is an interesting angle to use as a bargaining chip though. One that obviously caught Buzz's attention...

Thing is, if you sell off those BLM lands that'll block access to a majority of NF lands. Cue the outrage from the nonresidents once they show up to do anything on NF land.... and can't access it

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[tdhanses]

Thing is, if you sell off those BLM lands that'll block access to a majority of NF lands. Cue the outrage from the nonresidents once they show up to do anything on NF land.... and can't access it

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Oh the horror when you really think about how much time they spend in their life time needing that access. I’m sure roadway easements could be built into the sale of these lands.

If there isn’t a road, doubt 99% of USFS users even go there today. I bet most tourist that even go to these lands are like most NR hunters and barely go far from a road or they stay on established trails.

 

[Whip]

Spend a summer weekend in the Bighorn Mtns and get back to us on the 20%. Besides that do you think that our country's population will remain static and won't increase over time?

I've spent some time in the Bighorns during the summer. The entire place is filled with trailers with WY plates, many that are obviously there for the summer with wood piles, satellite dishes, etc. No regard what-so-ever for national forest 14 day limits on a site.
Just another example of resident entitlement on federally owned public land using what belongs to all of us as their personal summer home away from home.